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The outcry over the first series of political commercials for President
George W. Bush was swift and heartfelt. Using images of victims of the
9/11 attacks and firefighters responding to the emergency at the World
Trade Center, the ads trumpeted President Bush's "steady" leadership.
Families of the victims and representatives of the firefighters charged
that the White House is using 9/11 to advance a political agenda. Former
New York mayor Rudy Giuliani tried to deflect this criticism by
emphasizing that Bush's leadership has been steady. But the commercials
themselves beg the question: What did President Bush do on 9/11?
Giuliani himself framed the Bush question this way: "His leadership on
that day is central to his record."

Over the weekend that followed initial broadcast of the Bush campaign
commercials, both sides took positions on the appropriateness of their
content. Democrats protested the imagery. President Bush, who in January
2002, when seeking an extra budget appropriation for his war on
terrorism, had told congressional leaders, "I have no ambition
whatsoever to use this as a political issue," backed away from that
undertaking. From his Crawford, Texas, ranch on March 6 Bush declared,
"I will continue to speak about the effects of 9/11 on our country and
my presidency." Echoing Rudy Giuliani, Bush added, "How this
administration handled that day, as well as the war on terror, is worthy
of discussion."

A leader marches to the sound of the guns. George Washington, Robert E.
Lee or Napoleon would have done that. Rudy Giuliani did do that. After
the first plane struck the Twin Towers, he went immediately to the World
Trade Center and helped supervise emergency efforts there. But what
exactly did George W. Bush do?

On that crystalline day in September, President Bush was at the Emma
Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla. Bush was to participate in a
conference and some reading demonstrations in support of his "No Child
Left Behind" education program. Learning of the terrorist attacks,
President Bush made a brief televised statement in which he said he had
spoken to Vice President Dick Cheney, FBI director Robert Mueller and
New York Governor George Pataki. He called the terrorists "folks" and
promised a full investigation. Then he left for the airport.

Air Force One was wheels up from Sarasota at 9:57 a.m., a little over 20
minutes after Bush's first statement. At that point, the president, the
commander-in-chief, had three choices. Bush could have returned to
Washington, where the Pentagon had also been hit by one of the terrorist
planes, and where the president had told the nation he was headed. Bush
could have gone to New York City, which had sustained the most grievous
blows in the 9/11 attacks. What he chose – the third option – was to
flee somewhere else to refuel, then remain in the air. The president's
plane flew to Barksdale Air Force Base outside Shreveport, La. By
choosing to fly to a remote location far away from the site of the
attacks, Bush acquiesced to the demands of his security people. At the
moment of the initial decision, there was still some reason for the
moving out of danger, because one of the terrorist aircrafts, Flight 77,
was still airborne, but it crashed in Pennsylvania at 10:10 a.m., only a
few minutes into Bush's flight.

Did Bush march to the sound of the guns? Did he go to New York where his
presence would have been the symbol of a nation unbowed? No. Instead, at
about 10:40 a.m., when Air Force One picked up a fighter escort near
Jacksonville, Bush accepted Cheney's advice not to return immediately to
Washington.

Because every aircraft over the United States except official planes got
orders to land, air traffic controllers and military air defense
commanders could verify within a few hours that the airborne terrorist
threat had ended. Certainly the situation had been clarified by 12:36,
when Bush spoke again to the nation from Barksdale, looking flustered on
television but promising the United States would track down the
perpetrators. An hour later Air Force One was back in the air – the real
situation clearer yet – but Bush flew to Offutt Air Force Base at Omaha,
headquarters of the Air Combat Command, not to either Washington or New
York. Offutt had a secure command post where Bush could teleconference
with his top national security people, but he could have done that even
more easily in Washington. Only late in the day did the president return
to the East coast. He stepped onto White House grounds at about 7:00
that evening.

Three days after the attacks, President Bush finally went to New York.
This sorry record is not one of steady leadership, nor does it show a
decisive president willing to override poor advice.

The official record of Presidents of the United States, the Weekly
Compilation of Presidential Documents, which would have to have recorded
Bush's statements of the morning and afternoon of 9/11, never appeared
for the week of September 11, 2001. The remarks appeared only much later
on the White House website. President Bush also went to extraordinary
lengths to shield from public scrutiny his inaction on the terrorist
threat before 9/11, including denial of documents to congressional
investigators and a public commission, the use of secrecy rules to
suppress embarrassing information and the manipulation of the scope of
inquiry and its deadline to ensure investigators had minimal time in
which to review the key issue of Bush's leadership on terrorism.

In contrast to this disturbing performance, George Bush went on to take
every opportunity to harness 9/11 in service of his political agenda,
contrary to his own promises of 2002. A carefully orchestrated World
Trade Center speech on the first anniversary of the attacks, the use of
the Statue of Liberty as backdrop for a 9/11 commemoration a year later,
now the Bush political ads. This is leadership of a different kind.

By John Prados, TomPaine.com
March 12, 2004

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"Jim" wrote in message

Do you even own a boat?

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6 of them. Do we compare size next. "Mine is longer than yours?"

Calif Bill wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

Do you even own a boat?

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Jim wrote in message ...
6 of them. Do we compare size next. "Mine is longer than yours?"

Calif Bill wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

Do you even own a boat?


Jim, it's just that Bill, being a senile old coot, has two sets of
values, one for him, and one for the rest of the world population! You
see, he can post off topic, he can cut and paste political articles,
he can post for sale items in the newsgroup. BUT, he is the ONLY one
who can do this, or so he thinks.

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Hey asskisser, then that means you and bill have something's in common, your
posts have no logic or relation to the topic.




"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Jim wrote in message
...
6 of them. Do we compare size next. "Mine is longer than yours?"

Calif Bill wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

Do you even own a boat?


Jim, it's just that Bill, being a senile old coot, has two sets of
values, one for him, and one for the rest of the world population! You
see, he can post off topic, he can cut and paste political articles,
he can post for sale items in the newsgroup. BUT, he is the ONLY one
who can do this, or so he thinks.

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" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Hey asskisser, then that means you and bill have something's in common,
your
posts have no logic or relation to the topic.




"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Jim wrote in message
...
6 of them. Do we compare size next. "Mine is longer than yours?"

Calif Bill wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

Do you even own a boat?


Jim, it's just that Bill, being a senile old coot, has two sets of
values, one for him, and one for the rest of the world population! You
see, he can post off topic, he can cut and paste political articles,
he can post for sale items in the newsgroup. BUT, he is the ONLY one
who can do this, or so he thinks.



And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill

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" Tuuk" wrote in message ...
Hey asskisser, then that means you and bill have something's in common, your
posts have no logic or relation to the topic.

Tuuk, the dumbest of the dumb. What does YOUR post have to do with the topic??

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.

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On 17 Mar 2004 04:46:11 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

" Tuuk" wrote in message ...
Hey asskisser, then that means you and bill have something's in common, your
posts have no logic or relation to the topic.

Tuuk, the dumbest of the dumb. What does YOUR post have to do with the topic??

Does Tuuk have a disability to which you are referring? If so, do you
always make rude comments about the disabilities of others?

For shame!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

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John H wrote in message
...
Does Tuuk have a disability to which you are referring? If so, do you
always make rude comments about the disabilities of others?

For shame!

John H


Tuuk has a terminal case of 'stupid'. You're right, it's not 'politically
correct' to bring it up in polite company.

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:21:36 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


John H wrote in message
.. .
Does Tuuk have a disability to which you are referring? If so, do you
always make rude comments about the disabilities of others?

For shame!

John H


Tuuk has a terminal case of 'stupid'. You're right, it's not 'politically
correct' to bring it up in polite company.

I didn't see the word 'stupid' used in the post to which I responded.
I could have overlooked it, I suppose. Or, the author of the post may
have mistakenly used a wrong word. Maybe he meant to call someone
'stupid' when he made his *stupid* mistake.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go in
with Harry.

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John H wrote in message . ..
On 17 Mar 2004 04:46:11 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

" Tuuk" wrote in message ...
Hey asskisser, then that means you and bill have something's in common, your
posts have no logic or relation to the topic.

Tuuk, the dumbest of the dumb. What does YOUR post have to do with the topic??

Does Tuuk have a disability to which you are referring? If so, do you
always make rude comments about the disabilities of others?

For shame!

John H

Do you really not understand, John, or are YOU playing stupid? I'll
break it apart for you. Tuuk, in a thread titled OT Follow the
"Leader", comes out of the blue, with the above statement. The
statement is saying that I post with no relation to the topic. Pretty
damned dumb, when you consider, his statement has NOTHING to do with
the topic. Understand? I doubt it.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

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On 18 Mar 2004 05:01:13 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 17 Mar 2004 04:46:11 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

" Tuuk" wrote in message ...
Hey asskisser, then that means you and bill have something's in common, your
posts have no logic or relation to the topic.

Tuuk, the dumbest of the dumb. What does YOUR post have to do with the topic??

Does Tuuk have a disability to which you are referring? If so, do you
always make rude comments about the disabilities of others?

For shame!

John H

Do you really not understand, John, or are YOU playing stupid? I'll
break it apart for you. Tuuk, in a thread titled OT Follow the
"Leader", comes out of the blue, with the above statement. The
statement is saying that I post with no relation to the topic. Pretty
damned dumb, when you consider, his statement has NOTHING to do with
the topic. Understand? I doubt it.

Perhaps you meant to say "stupid" instead of "dumb." The meanings are
very different, and you seem to be a stickler for correct word usage.
Maybe you just made a stupid mistake when you called Tuuk "dumb."

Perhaps it would be good for you to post what Harry says. He's usually
pretty good with words and calling people names.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"Jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go in
with Harry.

The above statement by me would fit you to a "tee". YOU are very prone
to making wild, unfounded allegations with no basis of fact. Show
where I have made such allegations to you. You are quite dillusional.
Somehow, in your less than normal brain, you are somehow certain that
I smoke pot, am growing pot, etc., etc. That is not normal. You should
seek help, along with John Herring.

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"Jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a problom.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go in
with Harry.

I have a "problom"??? What a dumb ass!!!

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just
giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only
worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and
your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same
things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a
problom.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go
in
with Harry.

I have a "problom"??? What a dumb ass!!!

A "problom". Oops. My bad. LOL.

Hey dumbass, does this sound familiar?

"Does spelling, typos, and grammatical errors make people who post here less
intelligent? If so, may I suggest that you look at YOUR posts? You make as
many errors as anybody. Does that make YOU ignorant?"

*You* posted those words just an hour ago.

PS: The first word in your quote should be "Do", not "Does".

LMAO!

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:52:26 -0500, "Jim--" wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just
giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only
worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and
your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same
things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a
problom.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go
in
with Harry.

I have a "problom"??? What a dumb ass!!!

A "problom". Oops. My bad. LOL.

Hey dumbass, does this sound familiar?

"Does spelling, typos, and grammatical errors make people who post here less
intelligent? If so, may I suggest that you look at YOUR posts? You make as
many errors as anybody. Does that make YOU ignorant?"

*You* posted those words just an hour ago.

PS: The first word in your quote should be "Do", not "Does".

LMAO!

Now you're gonna get it! He'll be wound tighter than braided line with
a 50lb striper on the end.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"Jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just
giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only
worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and
your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same
things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a
problom.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go
in
with Harry.

I have a "problom"??? What a dumb ass!!!

A "problom". Oops. My bad. LOL.

Hey dumbass, does this sound familiar?

"Does spelling, typos, and grammatical errors make people who post here less
intelligent? If so, may I suggest that you look at YOUR posts? You make as
many errors as anybody. Does that make YOU ignorant?"

*You* posted those words just an hour ago.

PS: The first word in your quote should be "Do", not "Does".

LMAO!

Again, look at YOUR posts. Answer my question, please. You make as
many errors as anybody, does that make YOU ignorant?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just
giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only
worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and
your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same
things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded
allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has
a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a
problom.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you
go
in
with Harry.

I have a "problom"??? What a dumb ass!!!

A "problom". Oops. My bad. LOL.

Hey dumbass, does this sound familiar?

"Does spelling, typos, and grammatical errors make people who post here
less
intelligent? If so, may I suggest that you look at YOUR posts? You make
as
many errors as anybody. Does that make YOU ignorant?"

*You* posted those words just an hour ago.

PS: The first word in your quote should be "Do", not "Does".

LMAO!

Again, look at YOUR posts. Answer my question, please. You make as
many errors as anybody, does that make YOU ignorant?

I make plenty of mistakes. The problem is I don't call someone's stupid
when making them. But if I did I would make sure that my post contained no
spelling or grammatical errors when doing so.

And everyone is ignorant about one thing or another. So yes, I guess I am
ignorant.

Happy now?

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On 19 Mar 2004 04:42:47 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just
giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only
worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and
your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same
things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

You are right Basskisser. The first step is admitting you have a
problom.
Now make sure you get some help. You might get a group rate if you go
in
with Harry.

I have a "problom"??? What a dumb ass!!!

A "problom". Oops. My bad. LOL.

Hey dumbass, does this sound familiar?

"Does spelling, typos, and grammatical errors make people who post here less
intelligent? If so, may I suggest that you look at YOUR posts? You make as
many errors as anybody. Does that make YOU ignorant?"

*You* posted those words just an hour ago.

PS: The first word in your quote should be "Do", not "Does".

LMAO!

Again, look at YOUR posts. Answer my question, please. You make as
many errors as anybody, does that make YOU ignorant?

Now I'm really confused. To whom were you addressing your question? I
looked up words and checked grammar books to make sure my response was
not objectionable to you. Now you're getting someone else to answer
the question.

Anyway. No, spelling, typos, and grammatical errors does not make
people who post here less intelligent. All those things *does*
reflect what's there, however.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

PS. Life's a bitch ain't it?


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

John H wrote in message . ..
PS. Life's a bitch ain't it?


John H

Your's may well be. Mine, in fact, is quite nice.

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

On 22 Mar 2004 12:10:30 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

You said, "...you know all about him..."

I said, "I've met him." I said nothing more than that. You added all
the bull****.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

John H wrote in message . ..
On 22 Mar 2004 12:10:30 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

You said, "...you know all about him..."

I said, "I've met him." I said nothing more than that. You added all
the bull****.

John H

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

On 23 Mar 2004 05:03:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 22 Mar 2004 12:10:30 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

You said, "...you know all about him..."

I said, "I've met him." I said nothing more than that. You added all
the bull****.

John H

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

Did I say that, or are you answering your own questions?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

basskisser wrote:

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

I'm beginning to believe b'asskisser has a tail which he chases all day long.

-- Charlie

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

John H wrote in message . ..
On 23 Mar 2004 05:03:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 22 Mar 2004 12:10:30 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

You said, "...you know all about him..."

I said, "I've met him." I said nothing more than that. You added all
the bull****.

John H

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

Did I say that, or are you answering your own questions?

John H

Yes, you did. Can't follow what you've written? It was written to you,
that all you can judge people on here is what they write. It was
further stated that you have to, because of this, give them the
benefit of the doubt. YOU said, "I've met him", alluding to the fact
that, because you've met him, you can judge him, correct? If not, why
would you have made that statement in reference to JUDGING someone?

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

On 23 Mar 2004 11:33:43 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 23 Mar 2004 05:03:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 22 Mar 2004 12:10:30 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

You said, "...you know all about him..."

I said, "I've met him." I said nothing more than that. You added all
the bull****.

John H

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

Did I say that, or are you answering your own questions?

John H

Yes, you did. Can't follow what you've written? It was written to you,
that all you can judge people on here is what they write. It was
further stated that you have to, because of this, give them the
benefit of the doubt. YOU said, "I've met him", alluding to the fact
that, because you've met him, you can judge him, correct? If not, why
would you have made that statement in reference to JUDGING someone?

Does the "it" you use refer to my writing? If not, then I didn't say
it, did I?

Now, stfu.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

Jim: Must you start every one of your off-topic threads with a
copyright violation? It's one thing to point people to an article
with an excerpt and a source (a link is nice). But when all you do is
post articles, in their entirity, without any comment, you simply look
like you don't have an original thought in your head.

How many on-topic post have you made in the last seven days?

Why do you need to copy entire articles, in violation of copyrights,
to rec.boats. There are hundreds of newsgroups where this stuff is
on-topic, why don't you go to one of those groups?

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

On 3/23/04 5:51 PM, in article
, "Curtis CCR"
wrote:

Jim: Must you start every one of your off-topic threads with a
copyright violation? It's one thing to point people to an article
with an excerpt and a source (a link is nice). But when all you do is
post articles, in their entirity, without any comment, you simply look
like you don't have an original thought in your head.

How many on-topic post have you made in the last seven days?

Why do you need to copy entire articles, in violation of copyrights,
to rec.boats. There are hundreds of newsgroups where this stuff is
on-topic, why don't you go to one of those groups?

It would appear that I jumped the gun after looking at only a couple of
Jim's most recent posts. Jim has been pretty good about posting only
excerpts and providing links. Appears to be respecting copyrights. His
reposting of of stuff from ThomasPaine is done with permission - they allow
it.

Severing that from the rest of my questions. They are still valid. And I
still wonder about whether Jim has an original thought in his head.

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

John H wrote in message . ..
On 23 Mar 2004 11:33:43 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 23 Mar 2004 05:03:50 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 22 Mar 2004 12:10:30 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 20 Mar 2004 10:59:06 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:jpH5c.43135
And if I am senile, then I have an excuse.
Bill


Oh, now I don't know whether you are senile or not, I was just giving
you credit, because if it's not senility, then there are only worse
reasons for your wild, unfounded allegations, mood swings, and your
dillusional idea that you can do anything you choose in this
newsgroup, all the while chastising others for doing the same things.


If you are not senile, then it must be you are just stupid.

Do you not think that a person who makes wild, unfounded allegations,
without any bases of fact, has mood swings, and is dillusional has a
mental problem?

Yes you do.

Please show where I've made any wild, unfounded allegations and
assumptions about others.

How about this one:
************************************************
On 20 Mar 2004 10:53:56 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:45:35 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


Charles wrote in message
...


You think krause beyond self greed and wants the betterment of his
fellow citizens?

If you think so, you're a dolt.

-- Charlie

Unless you have first hand knowledge, all you can judge people on in this
group is what they write.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt.
On the other hand I wouldn't bet my pension cheque on much I read here. Too
many people trolling just to agitate
others.


I've met him.

John H

So, you think that because you've "met him", that you know all about
him, and can therefore judge him???? That's pretty shallow.
************************************************** ***************************

Would you not call that a wild unfounded allegation and assumption
about what I do or don't know?

John H

IF I had said anything about what you do, or do not know, then yes,
that would be an allegation and assumption. The FACT is, YOU stated
that you could judge him, because you've met him. I said you were
quite shallow for making that statement. No assumptions. If you think
that you can just willy-nilly judge people, you ARE shallow.

You said, "...you know all about him..."

I said, "I've met him." I said nothing more than that. You added all
the bull****.

John H

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

Did I say that, or are you answering your own questions?

John H

Yes, you did. Can't follow what you've written? It was written to you,
that all you can judge people on here is what they write. It was
further stated that you have to, because of this, give them the
benefit of the doubt. YOU said, "I've met him", alluding to the fact
that, because you've met him, you can judge him, correct? If not, why
would you have made that statement in reference to JUDGING someone?

Does the "it" you use refer to my writing? If not, then I didn't say
it, did I?

Now, stfu.

John H

Holy ****, John! That's almost as good of an explanation as Clinton's
famous "it depends on what the definition of "is" is!
As far as intelligently debating goes, your "stfu" is about as
intelligent as YOU get.

( OT ) Follow the "Leader"
 

Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:

So, you DO think it wise to judge someone without knowing them?

I'm beginning to believe b'asskisser has a tail which he chases all day long.

-- Charlie

If you are "beginning to believe" that, may I suggest you seek some
professional help?