"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not discuss
any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:15 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not discuss
any past historical events.

Her. Oh yes - the good old "learn from history" card.

If the human race and "learned from history" where do you think we
would be now Jim?

Please - humans don't learn from history. If they did, we'd be in a
far better place and time.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

I didn't say there was anything "wrong" - it's just useless.

Or provocative which I suspect is the purpose in any case.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:15 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country.
In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss
any past historical events.

Her. Oh yes - the good old "learn from history" card.

If the human race and "learned from history" where do you think we
would be now Jim?

If we didn't, where do you think we would be now Tom?



Please - humans don't learn from history. If they did, we'd be in a
far better place and time.

If they didn't we'd be in a far worse place and time.



There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

I didn't say there was anything "wrong" - it's just useless.

Or provocative which I suspect is the purpose in any case.

Later,

Tom

Provocative as in inciting a mature discussion and remembering the
event...yes. Provocative as in trying to start a flame war....no.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:15 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country.
In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss
any past historical events.

Her. Oh yes - the good old "learn from history" card.

If the human race and "learned from history" where do you think we
would be now Jim?

Please - humans don't learn from history. If they did, we'd be in a
far better place and time.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

I didn't say there was anything "wrong" - it's just useless.

Or provocative which I suspect is the purpose in any case.

Later,

Tom

Leaving to help my buddy paint his old Lyman.

Later.

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

Except that it's not boat related, *AND* you didn't put OT in front of it.

You've jumped into several OT posts (that were marked as such), and
complained that people keep posting OT. And now you've created your own OT
post.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country.
In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

Except that it's not boat related, *AND* you didn't put OT in front of it.

You've jumped into several OT posts (that were marked as such), and
complained that people keep posting OT. And now you've created your own
OT post.


So sue me. Jeesh....have a bad day dude?

"JimH" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

Except that it's not boat related, *AND* you didn't put OT in front of
it.

You've jumped into several OT posts (that were marked as such), and
complained that people keep posting OT. And now you've created your own
OT post.


So sue me. Jeesh....have a bad day dude?

No. You put up an inflammatory OT post, and then got ****ed that I took the
opposite side of the argument from you.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country.
In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering
the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

Except that it's not boat related, *AND* you didn't put OT in front of
it.

You've jumped into several OT posts (that were marked as such), and
complained that people keep posting OT. And now you've created your own
OT post.


So sue me. Jeesh....have a bad day dude?

No. You put up an inflammatory OT post, and then got ****ed that I took
the opposite side of the argument from you.


Inflammatory? I don't think so.

OT? Yep. My bad.

Got ****ed? Nope. Just thought you posted some stupid comments.

Let's agree to disagree and move on.

Peace.