NOYB wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...
To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you
continue to
rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How
many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that day?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm?

You MUST be the most narrow minded person in existence......
Do you think that because they were demonstrating that it wasn't
peaceful? How so? Do you think that in order for a person to be
peaceful, that they must be in their rooms studying??

NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Congrats on this group for making some progress.

I clearly remember a May 5 or so ago when this forum was filled
with
notes from
people who were angry that the Guard was unfairly maligned for
"defending itself against attacks by a bunch of rock and bottle
throwing protestors."

I'm still angry.

And you're still narrow minded.

JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Congrats on this group for making some progress.

I clearly remember a May 5 or so ago when this forum was filled
with
notes from
people who were angry that the Guard was unfairly maligned for
"defending itself against attacks by a bunch of rock and bottle
throwing protestors."

I'm still angry.



Give me a friggin break. You were not even born when this event
occurred.

Jim, NOYB's problem, outside of being VERY narrow minded, is that he
thinks that everyone who doesn't 100% goose step to the government is a
traitor, and unpatriotic. He still hasn't figured out that working for
change IS patriotic, and is the rationale our country was founded on.

On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not discuss
any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:15 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not discuss
any past historical events.

Her. Oh yes - the good old "learn from history" card.

If the human race and "learned from history" where do you think we
would be now Jim?

Please - humans don't learn from history. If they did, we'd be in a
far better place and time.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

I didn't say there was anything "wrong" - it's just useless.

Or provocative which I suspect is the purpose in any case.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:15 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country.
In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss
any past historical events.

Her. Oh yes - the good old "learn from history" card.

If the human race and "learned from history" where do you think we
would be now Jim?

If we didn't, where do you think we would be now Tom?



Please - humans don't learn from history. If they did, we'd be in a
far better place and time.

If they didn't we'd be in a far worse place and time.



There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

I didn't say there was anything "wrong" - it's just useless.

Or provocative which I suspect is the purpose in any case.

Later,

Tom

Provocative as in inciting a mature discussion and remembering the
event...yes. Provocative as in trying to start a flame war....no.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:41:15 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country.
In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss
any past historical events.

Her. Oh yes - the good old "learn from history" card.

If the human race and "learned from history" where do you think we
would be now Jim?

Please - humans don't learn from history. If they did, we'd be in a
far better place and time.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

I didn't say there was anything "wrong" - it's just useless.

Or provocative which I suspect is the purpose in any case.

Later,

Tom

Leaving to help my buddy paint his old Lyman.

Later.

On Thu, 05 May 2005 12:36:55 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the complete
truth of what happened so why bother?

Perhaps that is why it still engenders passions, not only do we not know
the complete truth, we know very little of any truth about Kent State.
Perhaps if there was a truth, or a valid investigation of the events,
there would be a closure.

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when I
think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom

"JimH" wrote in message
news

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:47:03 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2005 20:03:41 -0400, JimH wrote:


No one is blaming the reserve troops.....they did what they were
ordered
to do. The blame goes to the person actually ordering the troops to
use
live ammo.

While the Kent State shootings were a tragedy for all concerned, the
investigation afterwords is truly an embarrassment for this country. In
the bitter divisiveness of that time, the search for any truth took a
backseat.

http://members.aol.com/nrbooks/chronol.htm

For those that are interested, a rather comprehensive site covering the
incident:

http://www.may4archive.org/index.shtml

You know what amazes me about this?

It still engenders passions and debate 30/35 years later.

I wonder why? It's not like anybody is ever going to know the
complete truth of what happened so why bother?

Seriously, without looking it up, can you name the girl in the famous
photograph? I sure as hell can't and that photo still haunts me when
I think of Kent State.

We should just leave it alone.

Later,

Tom



One must learn from past mistakes. Using your logic one should not
discuss any past historical events.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion Tom.

Except that it's not boat related, *AND* you didn't put OT in front of it.

You've jumped into several OT posts (that were marked as such), and
complained that people keep posting OT. And now you've created your own OT
post.