On Wed, 4 May 2005 13:42:58 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue to
rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

This is also Cinco de Mayo - the day Mexican Army (4,000 strong)
eliminated the French and their Mexican collaborators (8,000 strong)
at Puebla, Mexico in 1862.

Once again, the French had their asses handed to them.

Later,

Tom

On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:22:21 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 4 May 2005 13:42:58 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue to
rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

This is also Cinco de Mayo - the day Mexican Army (4,000 strong)
eliminated the French and their Mexican collaborators (8,000 strong)
at Puebla, Mexico in 1862.

Once again, the French had their asses handed to them.

Whoops - I'm a day ahead of myself.

Apologies.

The comment about the French still stands. :)

Later,

Tom

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue
to rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that day?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm?



Yeah sure.....unarmed students deserved to be shot dead.

Where the hell is your head NOYB?

Two days before the shootings, the demonstrators burned down the ROTC
building, and then pelted the cops and firefighters with rocks, and slashed
the firehoses with knives.

Biker groups showed up, store windows were smashed, and shops were looted.
There was talk about "revolutionaries" showing up to destroy the campus and
city and tip off a violent political revolution in the US.


The Governor warned against the Demonstration on May 4th, yet they held it
anyhow. When the crowd was ordered to disperse, they ignored the demand.
Tear gas was used to disperse the crowd, but it was only thrown back at the
Guardsmen. A crowd of 1000 students pursued a retreating group of 70 armed
Guardsmen...and the Guardsmen opened fire.

WTF did they think would happen when they started pursuing *armed* Guardsmen
with rocks, tear gas canisters, and other projectiles?

It's sad that 3 of the 4 who were killed appear to have been "observers",
rather than participants. But the blood of those three is on the hands of
the 1000's of demonstrators who incited the defensive response from the
Guardsmen.

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
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To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue
to rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/


Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that day?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm?



Of the students killed, the closest was 275 feet from the demonstration.
Many were merely walking to class. The demonstrators were not armed, they
were mostly students protesting a war crime


I didn't know that you were there. Since I wasn't, I can't comment on how
close the nearest student stood to the demonstration.


Perhaps if you were to actually READ the article mentioned?

"JimH" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue
to rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that day?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm?



Just out of curiosity....how old were you when the event happened?

I had just been conceived! Perhaps my parents were celebrating?

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"NOYB" wrote in
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"JimH" wrote in message
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To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you
continue to rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that
day? Hmmmmmmmmmmm?

Which section of the Ohio State code condones the death penalty for
venturing out of one's dorm?

There are statutes authorizing deadly force in response to force.

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Congrats on this group for making some progress.

I clearly remember a May 5 or so ago when this forum was filled with
notes from
people who were angry that the Guard was unfairly maligned for
"defending itself against attacks by a bunch of rock and bottle
throwing protestors."

I'm still angry.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue
to rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that day?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm?



Yeah sure.....unarmed students deserved to be shot dead.

Where the hell is your head NOYB?

Two days before the shootings, the demonstrators burned down the ROTC
building, and then pelted the cops and firefighters with rocks, and
slashed the firehoses with knives.

Biker groups showed up, store windows were smashed, and shops were looted.
There was talk about "revolutionaries" showing up to destroy the campus
and city and tip off a violent political revolution in the US.


The Governor warned against the Demonstration on May 4th, yet they held it
anyhow. When the crowd was ordered to disperse, they ignored the demand.
Tear gas was used to disperse the crowd, but it was only thrown back at
the Guardsmen. A crowd of 1000 students pursued a retreating group of 70
armed Guardsmen...and the Guardsmen opened fire.

WTF did they think would happen when they started pursuing *armed*
Guardsmen with rocks, tear gas canisters, and other projectiles?

It's sad that 3 of the 4 who were killed appear to have been "observers",
rather than participants. But the blood of those three is on the hands of
the 1000's of demonstrators who incited the defensive response from the
Guardsmen.



Someone (Gov. Rhodes?) decided to allow the troops to use real bullets.
What a brilliant idea.....NOT!

No one deserved to be shot. No one deserved to be killed.

One can control a crowd with other means......rubber bullets, horses, water
cannons. All those options were available.

You also have to understand the sentiment about the war at that stage in
time, especially amongst college students.

Did you live through this experience NOYB....how old were you in 1970?

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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To the 4 students killed at Kent State on May 4, 1970, may you continue
to rest in peace.

http://kent.state.tripod.com/

Peace? If they were acting peacefully, they wouldn't have been shot.
How many students who stayed in their rooms studying were shot that day?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm?



Just out of curiosity....how old were you when the event happened?

I had just been conceived!

So your only knowledge of the events is what you read? I figured as much.

Perhaps my parents were celebrating?

A truly sick and distorted thing to say.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
Congrats on this group for making some progress.

I clearly remember a May 5 or so ago when this forum was filled with
notes from
people who were angry that the Guard was unfairly maligned for
"defending itself against attacks by a bunch of rock and bottle
throwing protestors."

I'm still angry.



Give me a friggin break. You were not even born when this event occurred.