The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey of the
entire ocean's fishery.

"We'll all be eating jellyfish sandwiches," says Reg Watson, a fisheries
scientist at the University of British Columbia. Putting new ocean-wide
management plans into place is the only way to reverse the trend, Watson and
his colleagues say.

North Atlantic catches have fallen by half since 1950, despite a tripling of
the effort put into catching them. The total number of fish in the ocean has
fallen even further, they say, with just one sixth as many high-quality
"table fish" like cod and tuna as there were in 1900. Fish prices have risen
six fold in real terms in 50 years.

The shortage of table fish has forced a switch to other species. "The
jellyfish sandwich is not a metaphor - jellyfish is being exported from the
US," says Daniel Pauly, also at the University of British Columbia. "In the
Gulf of Maine people were catching cod a few decades ago. Now they're
catching sea cucumber. By earlier standards, these things are repulsive," he
says.

Off limits
The only hope for the fishery is to drastically limit fishing, for instance
by declaring large portions of the ocean off-limits and at the same time
reducing the number of fishing ships. Piecemeal efforts to protect certain
fisheries have only caused the fishing fleet to overfish somewhere else,
such as west Africa.

"It's like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic," says Andrew Rosenberg,
at the University of New Hampshire. He says the number of boats must be
reduced: "Less is actually more with fisheries. If you fish less you get
more fish."

Normally, falling catches would drive some fishers out of business. But
government subsidies actually encourage overfishing, Watson says, with
subsidies totalling about $2.5 billion a year in the North Atlantic.

However, Rosenberg was sceptical that any international fishing agreements
currently on the table will turn the tide in a short enough timescale. The
UN's Food and Agriculture Organization and the OECD have initiatives but
these are voluntary, he says. A UN-backed monitoring and enforcement plan of
action is being discussed but could take 10 years to come into force.

Pauly says only a public reaction like that against whaling in the 1970s
would be enough to bring about sufficient change in the way the fish stocks
are managed.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1940

Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?

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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

JimH wrote:
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

I have never said anything remotely close to that, especially since I
believe the exact opposite.


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JimH wrote:
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

"Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
news
I have never said anything remotely close to that, especially since I
believe the exact opposite.

The proper response to Kevin's statement should have been "Please provide
proof.................."




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JimH wrote:
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

On 5 May 2005 05:12:42 -0700, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

Apparently Doug feels the same way: "He's right, John. All negative reports
about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given
degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) "

Of course, there *is* the smiley face! Maybe Smithers just left his off?

Why do you keep denying you're Kevin?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

JohnH,
I am and have always been an environmentalist. Kevin Noble just assumed
since I am a conservative that I must also like pollution. It is a problem
with liberals they just goose-step to whatever the party line tells them to
do.


"John H" wrote in message
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On 5 May 2005 05:12:42 -0700, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

Apparently Doug feels the same way: "He's right, John. All negative
reports
about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given
degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) "

Of course, there *is* the smiley face! Maybe Smithers just left his off?

Why do you keep denying you're Kevin?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On 4 May 2005 11:17:23 -0700, wrote:


Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?

bk, why don't you put your head back up your ass and quit messing with decent
threads!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H wrote:

bk, why don't you put your head back up your ass and quit messing
with decent
threads!
--
John H

Uh, oh, John's going off the deep end again. I suppose I'll see this
about a thousand times a day for awhile......
So, John, do you think the above rant is adding anything of value to
this thread?