JimH wrote:
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

John H wrote:

bk, why don't you put your head back up your ass and quit messing
with decent
threads!
--
John H

Uh, oh, John's going off the deep end again. I suppose I'll see this
about a thousand times a day for awhile......
So, John, do you think the above rant is adding anything of value to
this thread?

I have never said anything remotely close to that, especially since I
believe the exact opposite.


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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

"John H" wrote in message
...


You're right, UD, the Chesapeake is as pristine as it ever was. All those
bad
stories are just that.
--
John H

He's right, John. All negative reports about the environment come from
left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given degrees from dubious colleges.
Like Cornell. :-)

"Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
news
I have never said anything remotely close to that, especially since I
believe the exact opposite.

The proper response to Kevin's statement should have been "Please provide
proof.................."




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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

On Thu, 05 May 2005 13:37:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


You're right, UD, the Chesapeake is as pristine as it ever was. All those
bad
stories are just that.
--
John H

He's right, John. All negative reports about the environment come from
left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given degrees from dubious colleges.
Like Cornell. :-)


He's right, you're right, and I'm right. We *really* only need one party!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Thu, 5 May 2005 07:31:45 -0400, "SoFarrell" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:12:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
om...


Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other
species
of
fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions on
sport
fishermen and say they've done a good job.

How does it affect water quality?


From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp

"Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant
fish
species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim in
large
schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's
surface.
Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly
herbivores,
but
retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very adaptable
and
will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended
organic
plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish
species.
They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within and
between
the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is
due, in
part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter
feeding
capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a
million
gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden
population
has
the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.***
Menhaden
are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish
such
as
striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or their
schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common loon,
herons,
egrets, ospreys, and eagles.

Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on
vacation!

Good analogy. The bay's dead spots are no longer 'spots'.

http://www.cbf.org/site/PageServer?p...facts_deadzone


--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Come on down to NO and the wetlands south. Plenty of fish, hunting, decent
weather, occasional killer hurricane to thin out the bad bloods. Good eats,
too.



Where's NO? If I didn't have kids and grandkids (five, now!) in the area I'd
move in a heartbeat. But it would probably be to the Solomons Island, MD, area.
Fishing is pretty good down there.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On 5 May 2005 05:12:42 -0700, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers wrote:
The entire North Atlantic is being so severely overfished that it
may
completely collapse by 2010, reveals the first comprehensive
survey
of the
entire ocean's fishery.

Since when do YOU care about the environment? Don't you like the
republican creed that anything to do with negative affects on the
environment is voodoo science?


Is everything black and white for you? *All republicans think and
act this
way....... *All* democrats think and act this way......

Trying expanding your horizon Kevin. You may find a whole new world
out
there that you never knew existed. ;-)

I'm not Kevin. But, since you are spewing crap my way, I'll answer.
Smithers has, on several occasions here, when speaking about
environmental issues, stated that the science was just erred because
the research was done by well educated people, and that most academic
types are liberals.

Apparently Doug feels the same way: "He's right, John. All negative reports
about the environment come from left-wing wackos who were mistakenly given
degrees from dubious colleges. Like Cornell. :-) "

Of course, there *is* the smiley face! Maybe Smithers just left his off?

Why do you keep denying you're Kevin?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On 5 May 2005 05:14:09 -0700, wrote:


John H wrote:

bk, why don't you put your head back up your ass and quit messing
with decent
threads!
--
John H

Uh, oh, John's going off the deep end again. I suppose I'll see this
about a thousand times a day for awhile......
So, John, do you think the above rant is adding anything of value to
this thread?

Much more than did yours!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

NO is New Orleans. Great city for food, it is a Sportsman Paradise, but the
state has some of the worst pollution in the US.


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 07:31:45 -0400, "SoFarrell" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 05 May 2005 00:12:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:21:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
news:bn5i719r6ugdc4uvau8ht4v6mirhg4j7no@4ax. com...


Over fishing for menhaden is affecting the water quality and other
species
of
fish in the bay. The government will probably put more restrictions
on
sport
fishermen and say they've done a good job.

How does it affect water quality?


From: http://www.chesbay.org/forageFish/menhaden.asp

"Atlantic menhaden are the most important and one of the most abundant
fish
species in the Chesapeake Bay. During summer months, these fish swim
in
large
schools and their silvery bodies can often be seen near the water's
surface.
Juveniles primarily feed on zooplankton, but adults are mainly
herbivores,
but
retain the ability to feed on zooplankton. The adults are very
adaptable
and
will feed on several species of phytoplankton, as well as suspended
organic
plant detritus. Atlantic menhaden are an ecologically critical fish
species.
They consume and redistribute a significant amount of energy within
and
between
the Chesapeake Bay and other estuaries, and the coastal ocean. This is
due, in
part, to their tremendous numbers, individual growth rate, filter
feeding
capacity, and seasonal movements. An adult fish can filter up to a
million
gallons of water every 180 days. ***A healthy Atlantic menhaden
population
has
the potential to consume up to 25% of the Bay's nitrogen in 1-year.***
Menhaden
are also an extremely important prey species for many predatory fish
such
as
striped bass, bluefish, weakfish, and spanish mackerel. Because or
their
schooling behavior, they are also a favorite target for the common
loon,
herons,
egrets, ospreys, and eagles.

Amazing! It's like....if the filter on your aquarium dies when you're on
vacation!

Good analogy. The bay's dead spots are no longer 'spots'.

http://www.cbf.org/site/PageServer?p...facts_deadzone


--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Come on down to NO and the wetlands south. Plenty of fish, hunting, decent
weather, occasional killer hurricane to thin out the bad bloods. Good
eats,
too.



Where's NO? If I didn't have kids and grandkids (five, now!) in the area
I'd
move in a heartbeat. But it would probably be to the Solomons Island, MD,
area.
Fishing is pretty good down there.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."