"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message oups.com...
the Scented Nectar wrote:
..
She's right about what she
posted and you know it.

She's completely wrong. She completely bollixes up the entire issue of
world hunger. She knows nothing about it, nor does anyone else who
thinks it's a production issue.

For this crosspost, from yesterday:

"Scented Nectar" wrote in message ...
"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message
k.net...
Scented Nectar wrote:

"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message
k.net...

pearl wrote:

Scented, you asked for this info;

'Twenty percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is eaten by people.
Eighty percent of the corn and 95% of the oats grown in the U.S.
is eaten by livestock. The percentage of protein wasted by cycling
grain through livestock is calculated by experts as 90%.

It's not 'wasted', any more than the extra raw
materials and capital and labor that go into making a
Mercedes-Benz S-500 versus a small Kia are 'wasted'.
People want meat, and it requires resources to produce
the meat. The use of the resources in that way is not
'waste'.

This idea that the resources are 'wasted' is a
wrong-headed and economics-illiterate way of looking at
the world.


Tell that to the hungry people in
the world,

They would be hungry EVEN IF all North Americans and
Europeans ate a strictly vegetarian diet. Their hunger
has ****-all to do with our resource allocation.
They're hungry because THEIR economies are ****ed up,
and their countries are run by murderers.

Hunger and Food Insecurity Reach Chronic Highs [November 2004]
...
In 2003 the number of American households experiencing hunger rose
26% over comparable 1999 data, according to a newly released U.S.
Department of Agriculture report, Household Food Security in the
United States, 2003. Based on data from the December 2003 Food
Security Supplement to the Current Population Survey, 36.3 million
Americans live in households that suffer directly from hunger and food
insecurity, cutting back on needed food requirements due to a lack of
adequate income. This represents an increase of more than 5 million
people since 1999, and includes more than 13 million children.

"This is an unexpected and even stunning outcome," noted center
director Dr. J. Larry Brown, a leading scholarly authority on domestic
hunger. "This chronic level of hunger so long after the recession ended
means that it is a man-made problem. Congress and the White House
urgently need to address growing income inequality and the weakening
of the safety net in order to get this epidemic under control"
http://tinyurl.com/8zvmy (pdf)

'Number of human beings who could be fed by the grain
and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1,300,000,000
http://www.kindplanet.org/hunger.html

But then we'd be able to give them
our excess food and help them
to get back on their feet and be
eventually self-sufficient. Not that
this is likely to happen in reality,
but ideally this would be great
for everyone.

"While soybean exports boomed in Brazil to feed Japanese
and European livestock - hunger spread from one-third to
two-thirds of the population"...."Where the majority of people
have been made too poor to buy the food grown on their own
country's soil, those who control productive resources will, not
surprisingly, orient their production to more lucrative markets
abroad."

Pro-trade policies like that of the North American Free Trade
Agreement (NAFTA) and the General Agreement on Tariffs
and Trade (GATT) promotes export crop production and
suppresses basic food production. Foreign aid from industrialised
countries has supported such free trade and free market policies.
http://www.psrast.org/nowohu.htm

'Worldwatch states that 75% of the Third World imports of corn,
barley, sorghum, and oats are fed to animals and not people. "In
country after country, the demand for meat among the rich is
squeezing out staple production for the poor." The demand for
meat among the rich takes precedence over grain production for
the poor since "cash" crops come first. Two-thirds of the grain
exported from North America goes to feed livestock which then
filters back to only feeding the ones who can afford that type of food.
http://www.innvista.com/health/nutri...iet/vworld.htm
......

'rudy's response:

"Load of ****, from a non-stop ****-spewer.

Poor people will always have problems."

That first sentence is projection, as usual.

pearl wrote:
"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message oups.com...

the Scented Nectar wrote:

..

She's right about what she
posted and you know it.

She's completely wrong. She completely bollixes up the entire issue of
world hunger. She knows nothing about it, nor does anyone else who
thinks it's a production issue.


For this crosspost, from yesterday:

"Scented Nectar" wrote in message ...

"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message
ink.net...

Scented Nectar wrote:


"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message
hlink.net...


pearl wrote:


Scented, you asked for this info;

'Twenty percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is eaten by people.
Eighty percent of the corn and 95% of the oats grown in the U.S.
is eaten by livestock. The percentage of protein wasted by cycling
grain through livestock is calculated by experts as 90%.

It's not 'wasted', any more than the extra raw
materials and capital and labor that go into making a
Mercedes-Benz S-500 versus a small Kia are 'wasted'.
People want meat, and it requires resources to produce
the meat. The use of the resources in that way is not
'waste'.

This idea that the resources are 'wasted' is a
wrong-headed and economics-illiterate way of looking at
the world.


Tell that to the hungry people in
the world,

They would be hungry EVEN IF all North Americans and
Europeans ate a strictly vegetarian diet. Their hunger
has ****-all to do with our resource allocation.
They're hungry because THEIR economies are ****ed up,
and their countries are run by murderers.


Hunger and Food Insecurity Reach Chronic Highs [November 2004]
..
In 2003 the number of American households experiencing hunger rose
26% over comparable 1999 data, according to a newly released U.S.
Department of Agriculture report, Household Food Security in the
United States, 2003.

Load of ****, from a non-stop ****-spewer. Poor people
will always have problems.