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Hey..he lost a hand, but he won a few, too, although his opponent wasn't
much more than a gerbil. "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Doug, I guess you are correct. Saddam played a great game of poker against GWB. He made GWB look foolish with his statements concerning WMD. Spending the rest of his life in prison, giving up his palaces and wealth was a small price to pay to rub GWB's nose in it. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... First of all, unlike you and I, there are people who know quite a bit about chemical and biological weapons. Quite a few of those people stated clearly that some of the weapons had definite "shelf lives", and that the weapons used against the Iraqi people in the distant past would've been far from useful by 2001-2002. Second, you may have to allow for the possibility that Saddam had a more personal motive, if he destroyed the weapons secretly: Making a fool look like an even bigger fool (GWB, in other words). Saddam is not a stupid man. He knew full well that he could skirt the economic sanctions easily. He didn't need to put on a show to impress the U.N. "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Doug, Don't you agree that the WMD Iraq had used in the past had probably been shipped somewhere else? Certainly you do not believe Iraq destroyed them secretly? If they wanted to destroy them, they would have done that publicly so the UN would have removed the economic boycott against Iraq. Bush is a dummy, but even he would not believe that. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... When you say Rowe and GWB lied to the world concerning WMD, remember if that is true, every politician in the US lied to world since 1990. That may well be true. However, as you know by now, highly competent inspectors found zip. This included people who did not have pansy-ass foreign accents or work for that sissy organization, the U.N. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Saddam is not a stupid man. He knew full well that he could skirt the economic sanctions easily. He didn't need to put on a show to impress the U.N. Hehehe. I bet he doesn't feel that way right now. A "show to impress the UN" would've saved his ass the humiliation of sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial. I'd call him a *very* stupid man. |
"ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Doug, I guess you are correct. Saddam played a great game of poker against GWB. He made GWB look foolish with his statements concerning WMD. Spending the rest of his life in prison, giving up his palaces and wealth was a small price to pay to rub GWB's nose in it. LOL. I should have read your reply before I posted mine. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? Because the administration gave the French and Russians a chance to atone for their sins of sending banned arms to Saddam. As the Oil-for-food scandal unfurled, it became evident that neither of those two countries would have budged and inch no matter what we negotiated. I don't buy it, but that's just how I am. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? No. And I never said that. But there were plenty of Russian soldiers elsewhere in the world that we didn't want to drag into our fight in Iraq. Time out. If, theoretically, president Rove actually knew which trucks were hauling stuff out of Iraq You mean Russian trucks? Don't you remember the report of us hitting a Russian convoy heading to Syria (under the guise of a Diplomatic envoy) just a few weeks after the invasion started? If not, here is the report: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...nvoy.attacked/ We claimed that we had no forces in the area (special-ops always operates that way), yet Condi Rice made an emergency trip to Moscow the next day to smooth things over: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7133-3.cfm (You can bet she was armed with "proof" of Russian involvement in the evacuation of Iraqi WMD-related material and technology.) The administration obviously worked out a deal with the Russians. They'd shut up about US future involvement in Iraq (ironically, Putin practically endorsed Bush right before the election), and we'd keep lids on the evidence that we had accumulated. It was working very well, until John A. Shaw spilled the beans right before the election: http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2637-6257r.htm At the time that that story was released, the White House did not condone (but did not criticize) Shaw, because the story was valuable for Bush's re-election bid. But not long after the election, Shaw was dismissed...most likely because the truth that he was spreading was interfering with our on-going negotiations with the Russians regarding their planned shipment of anti-aircraft missiles to Syria. http://www.jeffbrokaw.net/notes/2005...ced-to-resign/ Do you think Putin wouldn't have seen any further "investigations" as simply the cost of doing business? He was a spook, you know. Still is. Which means he knows how to cut a deal. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Hey..he lost a hand, but he won a few, too He didn't win anything. Bush was re-elected...and Saddam is sitting in a jail. Syrian troops are out of Lebanon...and Saddam is sitting in a jail. Iraq held democratic elections...and Saddam is sitting in a jail. What did Saddam "win"? |
NYOB,
GMTA "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Doug, I guess you are correct. Saddam played a great game of poker against GWB. He made GWB look foolish with his statements concerning WMD. Spending the rest of his life in prison, giving up his palaces and wealth was a small price to pay to rub GWB's nose in it. LOL. I should have read your reply before I posted mine. |
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:03:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... NOYB wrote: The Duelfer report left open the possibility that an "unofficial" transfer of weapons took place from Iraq to Syria. Man, you sure try hard to defend the current doofus in chief!!! So, let me get this straight. Because someone didn't explicitly say something in a report, then what he DIDN'T say is, in your eyes, what happened? Well, then, he also didn't say that Bush is stupid, so does that mean that Bush IS stupid??? Uh oh. Ticking logic bomb. I like it. :-) Have a beer. He's a man after your heart, Doug! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? Because the administration gave the French and Russians a chance to atone for their sins of sending banned arms to Saddam. As the Oil-for-food scandal unfurled, it became evident that neither of those two countries would have budged and inch no matter what we negotiated. I don't buy it, but that's just how I am. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? No. And I never said that. But there were plenty of Russian soldiers elsewhere in the world that we didn't want to drag into our fight in Iraq. Time out. If, theoretically, president Rove actually knew which trucks were hauling stuff out of Iraq You mean Russian trucks? Don't you remember the report of us hitting a Russian convoy heading to Syria (under the guise of a Diplomatic envoy) just a few weeks after the invasion started? If not, here is the report: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...nvoy.attacked/ We claimed that we had no forces in the area (special-ops always operates that way), yet Condi Rice made an emergency trip to Moscow the next day to smooth things over: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7133-3.cfm (You can bet she was armed with "proof" of Russian involvement in the evacuation of Iraqi WMD-related material and technology.) The administration obviously worked out a deal with the Russians. They'd shut up about US future involvement in Iraq (ironically, Putin practically endorsed Bush right before the election), and we'd keep lids on the evidence that we had accumulated. It was working very well, until John A. Shaw spilled the beans right before the election: http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2637-6257r.htm At the time that that story was released, the White House did not condone (but did not criticize) Shaw, because the story was valuable for Bush's re-election bid. But not long after the election, Shaw was dismissed...most likely because the truth that he was spreading was interfering with our on-going negotiations with the Russians regarding their planned shipment of anti-aircraft missiles to Syria. http://www.jeffbrokaw.net/notes/2005...ced-to-resign/ Do you think Putin wouldn't have seen any further "investigations" as simply the cost of doing business? He was a spook, you know. Still is. Which means he knows how to cut a deal. Seriously, we could've done absolutely anything we wanted on some deserted highway. Putin would not have blinked. |
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Hey..he lost a hand, but he won a few, too He didn't win anything. Bush was re-elected...and Saddam is sitting in a jail. Syrian troops are out of Lebanon...and Saddam is sitting in a jail. Iraq held democratic elections...and Saddam is sitting in a jail. What did Saddam "win"? You may recall that "in the beginning", president Rove only had ONE big reason for invading Iraq: weapons of mass destruction. He gradually added to the list as necessary. Saddam apparently blew your president's credibility right out of the water, not that he had much to begin with. |
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