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Manatees in court
2 Florida counties filed intent to sue Federal Fish and Wildlife over new
manatee zones. The suit alleges the zones are unnecessarily restrictive to local users and instituted based on unsound science. Duval and St. Johns counties claim old boundaries worked they way they were intended and draconian limits on the usage of the river are unnecessary. "We will not waste any more time on fruitless and unproductive dialog," states official. The save the manatee club based in Maitland, FL, commented they have spent thousands of dollars to prove the limits are absolutely required. Dr. Carole DeMort, State Marine Biologist and Marine Biology Department Chair for University of North Florida said " I can't imagine how the Save The Manatee Club arrived at their scientific evaluation of the number of manatees killed annually. Using their model, manatees became extinct 12 years ago." "The manatee has made a great recovery in the past 10 years. Their numbers have grown from an perhaps 3000 in 1980 to an estimated 40,000 state wide. Their species status should be changed from endangered to threatened." It is only natural, that with so many more creatures, more will interact with boats and other portions of technology. -- Capt. Frank __c \ _ | \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks |
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Are you sure on that number, 40,000?
I have been hearing much lower number, but no longer endangered. |
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Capt Frank Hopkins wrote:
2 Florida counties filed intent to sue Federal Fish and Wildlife over new manatee zones. The suit alleges the zones are unnecessarily restrictive to local users and instituted based on unsound science. Duval and St. Johns counties claim old boundaries worked they way they were intended and draconian limits on the usage of the river are unnecessary. "We will not waste any more time on fruitless and unproductive dialog," states official. The save the manatee club based in Maitland, FL, commented they have spent thousands of dollars to prove the limits are absolutely required. They would have been better off spending the money to buy Kevlar jackets for the manatees. If everyone who hit a manatee broke their prop and/or destroyed their lower unit, instead of merely injuring the animal, then the need for slowing down (or not) would be obvious... and wouldn't need law enforcement. Fair Skies- Doug King |
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Some kind of governor on the throttle that could be activated within a mile
or so of land might also be worthwhile. After all, the problem isn't the manatees..but the yahoo cowboys who want to roar around wasting precious non-renewable energy sources. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Some kind of governor on the throttle that could be activated within a mile or so of land might also be worthwhile. After all, the problem isn't the manatees..but the yahoo cowboys who want to roar around wasting precious non-renewable energy sources. How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. |
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Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. |
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"Don White" wrote in message
... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. Whoah...cowboy. Can't do that. That particular money is reserved for people who buy Hummers. |
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What is the cost in renewable resources for all the cars waiting in line as
the draw bridge opens so that you can get the last 3 feet of your mast through? Sail boater ought to be charged a service fee for each opening of a bridge. "Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. |
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"Capt Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... " I can't imagine how the Save The Manatee Club arrived at their scientific evaluation of the number of manatees killed annually. Using their model, manatees became extinct 12 years ago." Hehehe |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Some kind of governor on the throttle that could be activated within a mile or so of land Great idea. Let's just shut down the entire ICW on the East and West Coasts, too, while we're at it! Putz. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. I think *your* government should. Our government is happy the way things are. |
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"JGK" wrote in message ... Sail boater ought to be charged a service fee for each opening of a bridge. Excellent idea. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. 30,000 pounds of renewable energy products and 10,000 pounds of lead leaching into the waters. Should ban them. Wooden, dugout canoes that warrants a tax credit. Bill |
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Subject: Manatees in court
From: "Don White" Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. ROTFLMAO!!!!! Now that was funny! Capt. Bill |
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Subject: Manatees in court
From: "Capt Frank Hopkins" "The manatee has made a great recovery in the past 10 years. Their numbers have grown from an perhaps 3000 in 1980 to an estimated 40,000 state wide. Is that 40,000 number your misprint or theirs? Capt. Bill |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Don White" wrote in message ... Some kind of governor on the throttle that could be activated within a mile or so of land might also be worthwhile. After all, the problem isn't the manatees..but the yahoo cowboys who want to roar around wasting precious non-renewable energy sources. How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Really, my boat is made of wood and runs on an 8 horse engine. Most sailboats are made with more petrolium based products than I will use boating in a lifetime. Not to mention, many folks who own these larger sailboats also have 3-4000 sq foot homes, jet around the country in 747's, and run indoor swimming pools, and drive SUV's. Admittedly not all of them do, but if you sail and fall into three or more of these catagories, you should lay off the non-renewable resources bull****. Scotty |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. Where do all forms of plastic come from? Oil. Your rag merchant sales display couldn't have ever come into being without oil. Bert |
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I am assuming most of you have not experiences boating with Mantatees. I have
been doing it sucessfully for 25 years. Imagine, trying to avoid an animal that unless you know the signs, you can NOT avoid, imagine even if you do know the signs, you may still kill him. Even in Clear water 6 foot deep. This is the reality of boating with manatees in this area. How the hell do you prevent hitting them? Avoid hitting an annimal that Is not from Florida, does not belong here, is not endangered, and had taken over your voting, boating, and docking (building ) rights. Just not right! my opinion Damn it! Sterling |
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Florida Keyz wrote:
Avoid hitting an annimal that Is not from Florida, does not belong here, is not endangered, and had taken over your voting rights... Indeed, if you are in Florida and you hit George w. Bush, you will be in serious trouble. |
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Harry Krause wrote in message ... Scotty, you see, has a doctorate in sociology and statistical research, and has conducted several surveys before proclaiming that most larger sailboats are owned by folks with larger houses who also have 747s, indoor swimming pools and SUVs. Me, I think he drinks out of the varnish cup. Wow, I was packing for a move to the USA. If that's the lifestyle of the average American sailor.....the one's up here would be poor country cousins by comparison. |
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NOYB wrote in message hlink.net... Great idea. Let's just shut down the entire ICW on the East and West Coasts, too, while we're at it! Putz. From what I read in here, it's almost that way already. |
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"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
... Avoid hitting an annimal that Is not from Florida, does not belong here, is not endangered, and had taken over your voting, boating, and docking (building ) rights. Believe me when I tell you that I try very hard to see both sides of this issue, especially since I don't know a lot about it. But "does not belong here"? Wherever they are, they're there for a reason, so you may as well adjust as much as possible. It sounds like you try. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. I think *your* government should. Our government is happy the way things are. Actually, our government doesn't KNOW where it is. :-) A tax break for buying light trucks? Hello??? |
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When I said manatee do not belong here, is because there were inported from
West India to miami to eat the plants clogging the cannals. |
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"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
... When I said manatee do not belong here, is because there were inported from West India to miami to eat the plants clogging the cannals. OK, but so what? They're here. If you move to a new neighborhood and the locals don't like your family, is it OK for them to run you down with their cars? :-) |
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your arguments are childish, probably from you lack of experience, and bogus
email name. Bill,Your a coward, hiding behind it. but then,,,,that figures. Guess I asked for it, trying to post on topic, with factual information, instead of grade school banter. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Florida Keyz" wrote in message ... Avoid hitting an annimal that Is not from Florida, does not belong here, is not endangered, and had taken over your voting, boating, and docking (building ) rights. Believe me when I tell you that I try very hard to see both sides of this issue, especially since I don't know a lot about it. But "does not belong here"? Wherever they are, they're there for a reason, so you may as well adjust as much as possible. It sounds like you try. They are there because they can. They eat a particular type of sea plant which otherwise quickly fills shallow water so it is unuseable by boats, power and sail. I believe the plant is an exotic import, like zebra mussels are. Manatees are the only way to control the Japanese sea cabbage, or whatever it is. To be cynical, the only reason they need protecting is so that waters attractive to boats remain open. Mind you, they also destroy habitat for young fish, who find shelter from predators in the weeds, and snails to eat, or something that lives on the weed. I forget the names of all the interacting organisms. That's why its called ecology, because it's complex. Who is to define the "Proper natural balance?" What will we eat when the little fish do thier thing, or don't? Speed should be regulated according to depth. Who's in a hurry, anyway, and why? Terry K |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. I think *your* government should. Our government is happy the way things are. Actually, our government doesn't KNOW where it is. :-) A tax break for buying light trucks? Hello??? Relaxed emission and economy regulations for light trucks? Hello? That's like a discount for high rate of fire guns and ammo. Goodbye? Terry K |
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The reason these laws keep getting thrown out is they don't use any science to
determine what the speed limit should be. Around here they have the 25MPH zones exactly where you are most likely to hit a manatee and it is "slow" speed where you seldom ever see one. That is what happens when you have knee jerk polititians making these rules. |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
able.rogers.com... Speed should be regulated according to depth. Who's in a hurry, anyway, and why? Guys with leeetle tiny pee-pees. :-) |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
able.rogers.com... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote in message news:qGp1c.19797 How much non-renewable resources does it take to make a 50' sailboat? And to replace the sails. Sailboats are in a whole different category...at one with nature..quiet yet beautiful. I think the gov't should offer a tax deduction to encourage sailboat buyers and discourage power. I think *your* government should. Our government is happy the way things are. Actually, our government doesn't KNOW where it is. :-) A tax break for buying light trucks? Hello??? Relaxed emission and economy regulations for light trucks? Hello? That's like a discount for high rate of fire guns and ammo. Goodbye? So THAT'S why I can't find discounts on full cases of ammo! There's no law suggesting such discounts? |
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ust answer the questions, coward!
BB Just answer what? |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:02:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Terry Spragg" wrote in message . cable.rogers.com... Speed should be regulated according to depth. Who's in a hurry, anyway, and why? Guys with leeetle tiny pee-pees. :-) Or enlarged prostates and no holding tank! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
Or enlarged prostates and no holding tank! John H No wonder you are so ****y. |
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Doug,
Good idea, that would also help them out with possible shark attacks. :-) How it may not be politically correct, but have you given any thought to mines! Now I realize that a few manatees would have to make the ultimate sacrifice, but the rest of the herd would be better off for it. I mean after a few boats blew up, EVERYBODY would slow down. Hey, you know, if this idea takes off I'm going to invest in companies that make sonar gear. :-) Paul "DSK" wrote in message ... snipped They would have been better off spending the money to buy Kevlar jackets for the manatees. If everyone who hit a manatee broke their prop and/or destroyed their lower unit, instead of merely injuring the animal, then the need for slowing down (or not) would be obvious... and wouldn't need law enforcement. Fair Skies- Doug King |
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Don,
Land mines and water don't mix. Ya need to get the underwater mines. :-) Paul "Don White" wrote in message ... Some kind of governor on the throttle that could be activated within a mile or so of land might also be worthwhile. After all, the problem isn't the manatees..but the yahoo cowboys who want to roar around wasting precious non-renewable energy sources. |
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Doug,
Off course not. Stay on topic.:-) Cars no! Now with boats, it's okay. Paul "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Florida Keyz" wrote in message ... When I said manatee do not belong here, is because there were inported from West India to miami to eat the plants clogging the cannals. OK, but so what? They're here. If you move to a new neighborhood and the locals don't like your family, is it OK for them to run you down with their cars? :-) |
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Paul Schilter paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Don, Land mines and water don't mix. Ya need to get the underwater mines. :-) Paul Another neat trick would be miniature submarines built like the original Nautilus form 20,000 Leagues Under fame. I like that jagged battering ram they used to sink wood ships. Suppose they would work on speeding fiberglass boats? |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:37:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: John H wrote: Or enlarged prostates and no holding tank! John H No wonder you are so ****y. Ewwwh, that hurt! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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