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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.11a10c49ca3423911f02699cbc6b988a@107 8165397.nulluser.com... Thanks to the Bush Administration fiddling while our jobs have burned, we're down 2.5 million jobs since the idiot assumed office. snip Bull! http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/171833.shtml ------------------------------------------- The media and Democrats keep repeating it over and over: "2.3 million jobs lost" since President Bush took office. His could be the worst job record since before World War II, they claim. One little problem: It's not true. Not only has there been no net loss of jobs during the Bush administration, there has been a net gain, even with the devastation of 9/11. At least 2.4 million jobs have been created since the president took office, 2 million of those in 2003. The gains more than offset the losses. The problem is the areas of biggest job growth are usually not even being counted at all. Though 75 percent of jobs are created by small companies, according to the Small Business Administration, this sector's entrepreneurial activity and the jobs it creates are left out by Washington bean counters when calculating official new job numbers. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does its Payroll Survey by phoning businesses to crunch the number of jobs that have been gained or lost. This is where Democrats grabbed onto their lifeline, the 2.3 million figure. Look only at the Payroll Survey, and there has been a gain of only 522,000 jobs since Bush took office. But here's the rub. The Household Survey is used to determine the unemployment rate and accounts for those who are self-employed, and small emerging businesses that might be overlooked by the Payroll Survey. But the number of U.S. firms isn't static, and the "fixed list" used by the BLS for phoning established businesses does not reflect new entrepreneurial activity. As Economy.com writer Haseeb Ahmed recently wrote, "something is amiss in the [Payroll] survey." That's not all. When doomsayers, and media spoiling for a fight in an election year, laughed at Bush's prediction of 2.6 million new jobs this year, not everyone was scoffing. Ahmed, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and others hardly batted an eye. Greenspan said it was "probably feasible" the economy would reach the Bush administration's forecast of adding 2.6 million jobs this year, provided growth continues and the productivity rate slows to more typically levels. "I don't think it's 'Fantasyland,'" Greenspan said. ------------------------------------ |
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Jim-- wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.11a10c49ca3423911f02699cbc6b988a@107 8165397.nulluser.com... Thanks to the Bush Administration fiddling while our jobs have burned, we're down 2.5 million jobs since the idiot assumed office. snip Bull! http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/171833.shtml ------------------------------------------- Your bullship pickup from Not-the-newsmax has been discredited at least 50 times. Find something else. |
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Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs
are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN "Jim--" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.11a10c49ca3423911f02699cbc6b988a@107 8165397.nulluser.com... Thanks to the Bush Administration fiddling while our jobs have burned, we're down 2.5 million jobs since the idiot assumed office. snip Bull! http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/171833.shtml ------------------------------------------- The media and Democrats keep repeating it over and over: "2.3 million jobs lost" since President Bush took office. His could be the worst job record since before World War II, they claim. One little problem: It's not true. Not only has there been no net loss of jobs during the Bush administration, there has been a net gain, even with the devastation of 9/11. At least 2.4 million jobs have been created since the president took office, 2 million of those in 2003. The gains more than offset the losses. The problem is the areas of biggest job growth are usually not even being counted at all. Though 75 percent of jobs are created by small companies, according to the Small Business Administration, this sector's entrepreneurial activity and the jobs it creates are left out by Washington bean counters when calculating official new job numbers. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does its Payroll Survey by phoning businesses to crunch the number of jobs that have been gained or lost. This is where Democrats grabbed onto their lifeline, the 2.3 million figure. Look only at the Payroll Survey, and there has been a gain of only 522,000 jobs since Bush took office. But here's the rub. The Household Survey is used to determine the unemployment rate and accounts for those who are self-employed, and small emerging businesses that might be overlooked by the Payroll Survey. But the number of U.S. firms isn't static, and the "fixed list" used by the BLS for phoning established businesses does not reflect new entrepreneurial activity. As Economy.com writer Haseeb Ahmed recently wrote, "something is amiss in the [Payroll] survey." That's not all. When doomsayers, and media spoiling for a fight in an election year, laughed at Bush's prediction of 2.6 million new jobs this year, not everyone was scoffing. Ahmed, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and others hardly batted an eye. Greenspan said it was "probably feasible" the economy would reach the Bush administration's forecast of adding 2.6 million jobs this year, provided growth continues and the productivity rate slows to more typically levels. "I don't think it's 'Fantasyland,'" Greenspan said. ------------------------------------ |
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plantsman wrote:
Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. |
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"plantsman" wrote in message om... Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. They're not selling to relocate to a new job. They're selling to relocate to a nicer climate. Our real estate market in Southwest Florida is still going gangbusters. I just sold my house today after about 60 days on the market. We sold it for 37% more than we paid in January 2001. Finally, I can pull the boat out of the marina (it's a friggin' hour and half drive to go 30 miles), and park it in the back yard of my new home. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. I couldn't imagine a worse hardship than working for the only major employer in a certain area, and then that employer picking up and moving. Unfortunately, your area isn't experiencing anything different from what those living in the mining towns of PA experienced decades ago. People complained about the same thing back then. It's a fact of life that every year, technology changes, mines dry up, or jobs get sent overseas. It sucks that manufacturing jobs are being sent overseas, but that's the reality in a World economy with the WTO and NAFTA. Any candidate that will tell you he/she can do something to slow the exodus of jobs going overseas is full of ****. Completely full of ****! Ask 'em for details. Kerry says "he'll close the loopholes". What loopholes!?!? Demand they be specific! The bottom line is...Perot and Buchanan were right. However, the loss of manufacturing jobs was inevitable. NAFTA and the WTO just expedited things. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. It's the dream of every employer...Democrat *OR* Republican. Do you know *anybody* in business who dreams of expensive, over-paid labor? The first thing *any* company does in a recession is cut costs...and the biggest cost to any company is labor. Look at a P&L for any company. See the biggest expense? Employees. Let's say the employee cost for a company is 25% of revenues, the other costs are 45%, and the company has a net profit of 30% of revenues. If you cut the employee expense in half by sending jobs overseas, you've increased your net profit almost 42%!!! Any savings go directly to the bottom line. The only reason Democrats might not see it this way is because they make lousy business people. Every Democrat that I know, works for someone else. And everyone I know who works for himself/herself, is a Republican. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:44:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Jim-- wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.11a10c49ca3423911f02699cbc6b988a@107 8165397.nulluser.com... Thanks to the Bush Administration fiddling while our jobs have burned, we're down 2.5 million jobs since the idiot assumed office. snip Bull! http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/171833.shtml ------------------------------------------- Your bullship pickup from Not-the-newsmax has been discredited at least 50 times. Find something else. Which policy of Clinton's caused the job losses that Bush has not fixed? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? |
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. Just stemming the loss will be a vast improvement. Adding 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 would be light years ahead of what Bush has, or hasn't, done. bb |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. Just stemming the loss will be a vast improvement. Adding 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 would be light years ahead of what Bush has, or hasn't, done. bb I ask the same question, what is Kerry or Edwards going to do to add jobs? The job loss was already in progress when Buch took office. What is your candidate going to do? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. Answer the question, or shove your opinions up your arse! The bleeding started under the last President. What's your candidate going to do? |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. Answer the question, or shove your opinions up your arse! The bleeding started under the last President. What's your candidate going to do? * A New ‘State Tax Relief and Education Fund’. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases. This fund will help states struggling to bridge deficits resulting from Bush’s economic policies with an additional $25 billion a year for two years to stop the education cuts, tuition increases and tax and fee raising that are inhibiting our economic growth and causing layoffs. This fund includes Kerry’s proposed $5 billion to stop state cuts in health care that hurt workers and patients, $5 billion for homeland security to stem layoffs of police officers and fire fighters, and his commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind education law. * Tax Breaks to Expand Manufacturing Jobs in the U.S. Over 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since President Bush took office. John Kerry will save jobs by ending the unpatriotic practice of U.S. corporations moving offshore simply to avoid paying their fair share of our nation’s tax burden. To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will: o Get the Crane-Rangel-Hollings legislation enacted, which provides a corporate rate reduction to manufacturers who produce goods in the United States; o Propose a new jobs tax credit to encourage manufacturing companies to stay and expand in America. When a manufacturing company creates jobs above their 12 month average, the payroll taxes of the new employees will be refunded for two years. o Immediately restore and double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership that President Bush slashed by 80%. * Job Creation Summits. Ours is a large and complex economy and John Kerry believes that we must understand the challenges to economic prosperity in each sector. He will hold economic policy summits once a week for the first six months of his Presidency to develop targeted strategies to create jobs in key regions and key industries. (2) USING AMERICAN INGENUITY TO CREATE A STRONG ECONOMIC FUTURE. We must fight for our economic security not only by stimulating job growth today but also by ensuring that our research, our technology investment, and our spirit for innovation are paving the way for high wage jobs in new industries. * Make Trade Work for America. The Bush Administration has neglected to enforce trade laws or respond to the unfair practices of some of our nation's largest trading partners. As President, John Kerry will: order an immediate 120 day top to bottom review of all trade agreements to ensure that foreign nations fully comply with trade agreements they sign with our country; vigorously enforce our trade laws to ensure our workers are not victims of unfair trading practices; insist future trade agreements incorporate within them core labor standards and environmental protections; demand that other countries, such as China, do not manipulate their currencies to gain unfair trade advantages; and help any workers displaced by trade develop new skills and find new jobs. * Control Rising Health Care Costs so Our Industries Can Compete. Businesses cannot compete if they are weighed down by health care costs, especially since the health care costs of our industrial competitors are often subsidized by government. It costs U.S. automakers $1,000 per car just to cover health care costs for employees. John Kerry’s plan controls rising health care costs by helping pay for catastrophic care cases. * Revitalize the High Technology Sector to Pave the Way for Industries of the Future. Kerry will fight to connect every American family to the Internet, encourage a renewed educational focus on science and math, bring the best practices of operational efficiency from the private sector to the public sector, and restore the government's commitment to scientific achievement through increases in research funding for the Department of Energy, NASA, and the National Science Foundation. Kerry will also strongly support programs targeted at the next generation of innovation, such as nanotechnology and biotechnology research. * New Manufacturing Jobs by Investing in America's Energy Independence. The recent massive blackout leaves no question that our foreign oil dependence and obsolete electricity system undermine our economy. Kerry will create hundreds of thousands of good jobs, many of them in manufacturing, by investing in the new energy opportunities of the future such as: producing 20 percent of all our electricity from renewable sources by 2020; giving tax credits to manufacturers to develop the next generation of automobiles; new energy efficient appliances for homes and businesses; and investing in projects like building the Alaska National Pipeline. (3) MAKING FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE AFFORDABLE. To be successful in the 21st Century economy, America’s workforce must be more innovative and productive than our competitors. That means better science and math in our schools and job training opportunities. But it also means giving every American the opportunity of four years of college. * Create a New “College Opportunity Tax Credit”. Kerry’s “College Opportunity Tax Credit” will make four years of college affordable for all Americans. He will provide a credit for each and every year of college on the first $4,000 paid in tuition – the typical tuition and fees for public college tuition. The credit will provide 100% of the first $1000 and 50% on the rest. It will also make this credit refundable for those who receive other credits. * Pay College Tuition for Students That Give Two Years of Service to America. Kerry’s ‘Service for College’ plan will provide the cost of four years at a public college to young people in exchange for serving their communities and country in national service. (4) PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES RATHER AND CRACK DOWN ON UNFAIR RELIEF FOR CORPORATE AMERICA. President Bush has turned a blind eye to struggling American families, despite the fact that today’s two-earner families are earning 75 percent more than their single earner family counterparts a generation ago, but they have less money to spend due to soaring housing costs, day care, college tuition, and health care. John Kerry would: * Keep the Middle Class Tax Cuts to Help Families Make Ends Meet. John Kerry believes that we should keep the middle class tax cuts that Democrats fought for in 2001 and 2003, which increased the child tax credit, reduced the marriage penalty and lowered tax rates. He strongly disagrees with Democrats who want to repeal these tax cuts, which would cost a typical middle-class family with two children an additional $2000. * Help Americans Get Ahead. o College Tax Cut: John Kerry will help Americans get ahead with his new “College Opportunity Tax Credit” by ensuring college is available for four years for every American. o Helping Create Wealth in the Stock Market: John Kerry opposes the dividend tax cuts in the 2003 tax bill that result in receptionists paying higher tax rates than CEOs. However, he does believe that middle class Americans should get more from their investments and will lower capital gains and dividend taxes for the middle class. Making Corporate America Live By America’s Values. Our economy does well when our workers are doing well. Today, Americans who are working hard and playing by the rules are faced with higher health care costs, higher state taxes, higher college tuition and limited job opportunities. At the same time, many corporations are bending the rules and shirking their fair share of the burden - and the Bush Administration is rewarding those who break the rules with lucrative government contracts. Kerry will fight for a government that rewards those who work hard and play by the rules and challenges those who don’t. * Restore Investor Confidence With Strong Enforcement by the Securities and Exchange Commission: John Kerry will fund strong budgets and assure strong enforcement by the SEC. * Stop Corporations From Keeping Bank Accounts in Countries like Bermuda to Avoid Paying Taxes. John Kerry believes that American companies should not be allowed to set up virtual headquarters in foreign countries that are hardly more than mailboxes just to avoid paying U.S. taxes. * Assure Corporations Account for Disparities on the Books. A recent Joint Committee on Taxation report found that Enron claimed a $2.3 billion in profit between 1996 and 1999 in reports to its investors, while reporting a $3 billion tax loss to the IRS. John Kerry believes corporations should have to account these kinds of disparities. * Stop Giving Government Contracts to Corporations Breaking the Rules. The Federal government should not give lucrative contracts to companies that have a record of accounting fraud – like WorldCom – or are moving offshore. * End Unfair Protections for CEOs. Executives should not be walking away with millions of dollars in salaries and benefits while their workers are laid off their companies are defaulting on loans. Kerry would tighten the laws that allow corporations to take advantage of tax deductions for performance based executive pay – even when executives do nothing to improve productivity. * Protect Worker Rights. Kerry believes that ensuring there is a fair playing field for workers is important to a strong economy. He supports increasing the minimum wage and indexing it to inflation; improving workplace health and safety; assuring fair overtime rules; and worker’s right to join a union. (5) RESTORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE: By borrowing from future generations to give tax relief to those who need help the least, George W. Bush’s economic policies have, for the first time in history, forced the federal government to spend $1 billion more EACH DAY than it takes in. President Bush’s exploding deficits are destroying the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and he has placed the enormous burden of saving these programs on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. John Kerry believes that we need a smaller and smarter government that wastes less money. John Kerry’s plan will: Balance the Budget * Cut the Deficit in Half: John Kerry is committed to balancing the budget. He has put forward a sensible plan that will at least cut the deficit in half in his first term, while investing in economic growth and investing in workers. * A Balanced Budget Summit: The best way to get to a balanced budget is not in partisan bickering, but in bipartisan cooperation. As President, John Kerry will call a Balanced Budget Summit that will require all sides to work together to make at least temporary sacrifices -- even in their top priorities -- as part of a concerted effort to restore fiscal discipline and fight for our future. * End Special Tax Breaks: To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush’s special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000. * Cut Excesses in Government: One of the Bush Administrations well-kept secrets is that under his watch the size of government has actually gotten bigger – not smaller. John Kerry will reduce the size of the Federal government by: bringing spending down to the level of GDP it was under Clinton, requiring federal agencies to submit annual plans to reduce energy costs by 20 percent by 2020; cut the Federal government’s administrative costs by five percent; cut the number of political appointees and ban providing bonuses for political appointees; cut fraud and abuse in government programs – fraud and abuse is estimated to cost $12 billion in Medicare alone and end rules that prevent the Federal government from having the same purchasing authority as the private sector. More details later. |
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Up here the gov't makes a big deal about attracting 'call center ' jobs.
It gives the companies tax concessions, and will sometimes pay to train the staff...all for $ 10.00 per hour jobs. Pathetic! |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Regardless of which numbers you use, however, there have been five straight months of employment growth. By the election, they'll be 13 straight months of employment growth. It will be impossible for Democrats to say that jobs are being lost under Bush...when the numbers show a 13 month upward trend in job growth. Two graphs, if brought out in one of the debates (a-la-Perot), will spell the demise of the Democratic candidate: 1) a graph of the quarterly increases in GDP for the prior 18 months. 2) a graph of the number of new jobs added each month for the prior 13 months. Both graphs will have sharp upward-sloping lines...showing that we're in the midst of a 1 to 1 1/2 year boom in our economy. Then Bush will look at the camera, tell the audience that Kerry/Edwards/etc. will repeal the tax cut, thus raising your taxes, and return us to a recession. Then he'll tell the audience that we have bin Laden in captivity. ;-) |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. Then you better declare a miracle has already happened...since we've had 5 straight months of job *GROWTH*. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. Answer the question, or shove your opinions up your arse! The bleeding started under the last President. What's your candidate going to do? * A New ‘State Tax Relief and Education Fund’. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases. This fund will help states struggling to bridge deficits resulting from Bush’s economic policies with an additional $25 billion a year for two years to stop the education cuts, tuition increases and tax and fee raising that are inhibiting our economic growth and causing layoffs. This fund includes Kerry’s proposed $5 billion to stop state cuts in health care that hurt workers and patients, $5 billion for homeland security to stem layoffs of police officers and fire fighters, and his commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind education law. * Tax Breaks to Expand Manufacturing Jobs in the U.S. Over 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since President Bush took office. John Kerry will save jobs by ending the unpatriotic practice of U.S. corporations moving offshore simply to avoid paying their fair share of our nation’s tax burden. To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will: o Get the Crane-Rangel-Hollings legislation enacted, which provides a corporate rate reduction to manufacturers who produce goods in the United States; o Propose a new jobs tax credit to encourage manufacturing companies to stay and expand in America. When a manufacturing company creates jobs above their 12 month average, the payroll taxes of the new employees will be refunded for two years. o Immediately restore and double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership that President Bush slashed by 80%. * Job Creation Summits. Ours is a large and complex economy and John Kerry believes that we must understand the challenges to economic prosperity in each sector. He will hold economic policy summits once a week for the first six months of his Presidency to develop targeted strategies to create jobs in key regions and key industries. (2) USING AMERICAN INGENUITY TO CREATE A STRONG ECONOMIC FUTURE. We must fight for our economic security not only by stimulating job growth today but also by ensuring that our research, our technology investment, and our spirit for innovation are paving the way for high wage jobs in new industries. * Make Trade Work for America. The Bush Administration has neglected to enforce trade laws or respond to the unfair practices of some of our nation's largest trading partners. As President, John Kerry will: order an immediate 120 day top to bottom review of all trade agreements to ensure that foreign nations fully comply with trade agreements they sign with our country; vigorously enforce our trade laws to ensure our workers are not victims of unfair trading practices; insist future trade agreements incorporate within them core labor standards and environmental protections; demand that other countries, such as China, do not manipulate their currencies to gain unfair trade advantages; and help any workers displaced by trade develop new skills and find new jobs. * Control Rising Health Care Costs so Our Industries Can Compete. Businesses cannot compete if they are weighed down by health care costs, especially since the health care costs of our industrial competitors are often subsidized by government. It costs U.S. automakers $1,000 per car just to cover health care costs for employees. John Kerry’s plan controls rising health care costs by helping pay for catastrophic care cases. * Revitalize the High Technology Sector to Pave the Way for Industries of the Future. Kerry will fight to connect every American family to the Internet, encourage a renewed educational focus on science and math, bring the best practices of operational efficiency from the private sector to the public sector, and restore the government's commitment to scientific achievement through increases in research funding for the Department of Energy, NASA, and the National Science Foundation. Kerry will also strongly support programs targeted at the next generation of innovation, such as nanotechnology and biotechnology research. * New Manufacturing Jobs by Investing in America's Energy Independence. The recent massive blackout leaves no question that our foreign oil dependence and obsolete electricity system undermine our economy. Kerry will create hundreds of thousands of good jobs, many of them in manufacturing, by investing in the new energy opportunities of the future such as: producing 20 percent of all our electricity from renewable sources by 2020; giving tax credits to manufacturers to develop the next generation of automobiles; new energy efficient appliances for homes and businesses; and investing in projects like building the Alaska National Pipeline. (3) MAKING FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE AFFORDABLE. To be successful in the 21st Century economy, America’s workforce must be more innovative and productive than our competitors. That means better science and math in our schools and job training opportunities. But it also means giving every American the opportunity of four years of college. * Create a New “College Opportunity Tax Credit”. Kerry’s “College Opportunity Tax Credit” will make four years of college affordable for all Americans. He will provide a credit for each and every year of college on the first $4,000 paid in tuition – the typical tuition and fees for public college tuition. The credit will provide 100% of the first $1000 and 50% on the rest. It will also make this credit refundable for those who receive other credits. * Pay College Tuition for Students That Give Two Years of Service to America. Kerry’s ‘Service for College’ plan will provide the cost of four years at a public college to young people in exchange for serving their communities and country in national service. (4) PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES RATHER AND CRACK DOWN ON UNFAIR RELIEF FOR CORPORATE AMERICA. President Bush has turned a blind eye to struggling American families, despite the fact that today’s two-earner families are earning 75 percent more than their single earner family counterparts a generation ago, but they have less money to spend due to soaring housing costs, day care, college tuition, and health care. John Kerry would: * Keep the Middle Class Tax Cuts to Help Families Make Ends Meet. John Kerry believes that we should keep the middle class tax cuts that Democrats fought for in 2001 and 2003, which increased the child tax credit, reduced the marriage penalty and lowered tax rates. He strongly disagrees with Democrats who want to repeal these tax cuts, which would cost a typical middle-class family with two children an additional $2000. * Help Americans Get Ahead. o College Tax Cut: John Kerry will help Americans get ahead with his new “College Opportunity Tax Credit” by ensuring college is available for four years for every American. o Helping Create Wealth in the Stock Market: John Kerry opposes the dividend tax cuts in the 2003 tax bill that result in receptionists paying higher tax rates than CEOs. However, he does believe that middle class Americans should get more from their investments and will lower capital gains and dividend taxes for the middle class. Making Corporate America Live By America’s Values. Our economy does well when our workers are doing well. Today, Americans who are working hard and playing by the rules are faced with higher health care costs, higher state taxes, higher college tuition and limited job opportunities. At the same time, many corporations are bending the rules and shirking their fair share of the burden - and the Bush Administration is rewarding those who break the rules with lucrative government contracts. Kerry will fight for a government that rewards those who work hard and play by the rules and challenges those who don’t. * Restore Investor Confidence With Strong Enforcement by the Securities and Exchange Commission: John Kerry will fund strong budgets and assure strong enforcement by the SEC. * Stop Corporations From Keeping Bank Accounts in Countries like Bermuda to Avoid Paying Taxes. John Kerry believes that American companies should not be allowed to set up virtual headquarters in foreign countries that are hardly more than mailboxes just to avoid paying U.S. taxes. * Assure Corporations Account for Disparities on the Books. A recent Joint Committee on Taxation report found that Enron claimed a $2.3 billion in profit between 1996 and 1999 in reports to its investors, while reporting a $3 billion tax loss to the IRS. John Kerry believes corporations should have to account these kinds of disparities. * Stop Giving Government Contracts to Corporations Breaking the Rules. The Federal government should not give lucrative contracts to companies that have a record of accounting fraud – like WorldCom – or are moving offshore. * End Unfair Protections for CEOs. Executives should not be walking away with millions of dollars in salaries and benefits while their workers are laid off their companies are defaulting on loans. Kerry would tighten the laws that allow corporations to take advantage of tax deductions for performance based executive pay – even when executives do nothing to improve productivity. * Protect Worker Rights. Kerry believes that ensuring there is a fair playing field for workers is important to a strong economy. He supports increasing the minimum wage and indexing it to inflation; improving workplace health and safety; assuring fair overtime rules; and worker’s right to join a union. (5) RESTORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE: By borrowing from future generations to give tax relief to those who need help the least, George W. Bush’s economic policies have, for the first time in history, forced the federal government to spend $1 billion more EACH DAY than it takes in. President Bush’s exploding deficits are destroying the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and he has placed the enormous burden of saving these programs on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. John Kerry believes that we need a smaller and smarter government that wastes less money. John Kerry’s plan will: Balance the Budget * Cut the Deficit in Half: John Kerry is committed to balancing the budget. He has put forward a sensible plan that will at least cut the deficit in half in his first term, while investing in economic growth and investing in workers. * A Balanced Budget Summit: The best way to get to a balanced budget is not in partisan bickering, but in bipartisan cooperation. As President, John Kerry will call a Balanced Budget Summit that will require all sides to work together to make at least temporary sacrifices -- even in their top priorities -- as part of a concerted effort to restore fiscal discipline and fight for our future. * End Special Tax Breaks: To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush’s special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000. * Cut Excesses in Government: One of the Bush Administrations well-kept secrets is that under his watch the size of government has actually gotten bigger – not smaller. John Kerry will reduce the size of the Federal government by: bringing spending down to the level of GDP it was under Clinton, requiring federal agencies to submit annual plans to reduce energy costs by 20 percent by 2020; cut the Federal government’s administrative costs by five percent; cut the number of political appointees and ban providing bonuses for political appointees; cut fraud and abuse in government programs – fraud and abuse is estimated to cost $12 billion in Medicare alone and end rules that prevent the Federal government from having the same purchasing authority as the private sector. More details later. Where is all this money coming from? Where is his leadership for the last 18 years? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Regardless of which numbers you use, however, there have been five straight months of employment growth. By the election, they'll be 13 straight months of employment growth. It will be impossible for Democrats to say that jobs are being lost under Bush...when the numbers show a 13 month upward trend in job growth. Two graphs, if brought out in one of the debates (a-la-Perot), will spell the demise of the Democratic candidate: 1) a graph of the quarterly increases in GDP for the prior 18 months. 2) a graph of the number of new jobs added each month for the prior 13 months. Both graphs will have sharp upward-sloping lines...showing that we're in the midst of a 1 to 1 1/2 year boom in our economy. Then Bush will look at the camera, tell the audience that Kerry/Edwards/etc. will repeal the tax cut, thus raising your taxes, and return us to a recession. Then he'll tell the audience that we have bin Laden in captivity. ;-) ======================= Tell me what those new jobs are and where have they been created? Are they former professionals now working two jobs at different fast food restaurants just to survive? If that's the case, and I suspect that most of it is, then that is no growth at all with their net income much lower than it was before. Yes, two jobs may have been created but at what effect to a family's standard of living? David S. |
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In article , Harry Krause wrote:
Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. Which is why of course the Democrats just love illegal aliens and out of control immigration because all of those migrant folks just love to take "jobs that nobody wants". Their willingness and ability to work for less surely -) enhances the benefit/wage packages that the average American worker receives. After all, the more workers vying for average jobs the more that employers are willing to pay the average Joe right? (Plus most of em' [illegals] are future Democrats to continue the chain/cycle) And of course let us not forget NAFTA that wonderful boon to the average working man and woman in this country. And signed into law by a Demorcrat President too! Workers all over the country are indebted for that courageous signing and act. Gotta hand it to dem' dere Demokratz, they sure look out for the average AMERICAN citizen. |
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In article .net, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? at least another Clinton would be good for a few blow- jobs.... |
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In article , "Don White" wrote:
Up here the gov't makes a big deal about attracting 'call center ' jobs. It gives the companies tax concessions, and will sometimes pay to train the staff...all for $ 10.00 per hour jobs. Pathetic! one can easily make more than ten bucks an hour panhandling at a good intersection.... LOL Maybe we can outsource our Congress and your Canadian Parliament to Bangalore India? I understand that Indians would work for 1/8 the pay-scale of Canadian/US politicians and they would be much less likely to get caught in headline breaking scandals. |
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link.net... "plantsman" wrote in message om... Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. They're not selling to relocate to a new job. They're selling to relocate to a nicer climate. Our real estate market in Southwest Florida is still going gangbusters. I just sold my house today after about 60 days on the market. We sold it for 37% more than we paid in January 2001. Finally, I can pull the boat out of the marina (it's a friggin' hour and half drive to go 30 miles), and park it in the back yard of my new home. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. I couldn't imagine a worse hardship than working for the only major employer in a certain area, and then that employer picking up and moving. Unfortunately, your area isn't experiencing anything different from what those living in the mining towns of PA experienced decades ago. People complained about the same thing back then. It's a fact of life that every year, technology changes, mines dry up, or jobs get sent overseas. It sucks that manufacturing jobs are being sent overseas, but that's the reality in a World economy with the WTO and NAFTA. Any candidate that will tell you he/she can do something to slow the exodus of jobs going overseas is full of ****. Completely full of ****! Ask 'em for details. Kerry says "he'll close the loopholes". What loopholes!?!? Demand they be specific! The bottom line is...Perot and Buchanan were right. However, the loss of manufacturing jobs was inevitable. NAFTA and the WTO just expedited things. =================== The situation at Eastman Chemical Co. may be sort of unique among large companies. This huge plant, one of the largest chemical plant sites in the world, was originally a division of Eastman Kodak. Twenty years ago, they employed almost 18,000 people. Then Kodak got the bright idea to spin them off, as they were wanting to stay more in the photographic business and less into chemicals. The spun the company off into Eastman Chemical Co. Beginning about ten years ago, they started contracting out almost everything that had been in-house except the chemical operations. Engineering, construction, railway services, all the way down to guards and cafeteria workers. Tons of people were laid off and then rehired at much lower wages by the contractors. They did this gradually to have a riot on their hands. This company used to be very paternal, no one had been laid-off since the 1950's. My dad worked there for 41 years and most of my relatives also worked there. Eastman was the whole reason that the city of Kingsport existed in the first place. It was just country prior to about 1920 when George Eastman came down from NY and bought a wood mill and small methanol plant that was built for WWI but not completed in time. Methanol was once used in the photographic industry. A few years ago, Eastman's president was given an incentive that was hard for him to resist. Bring Eastman's stock value up to a certain point, and he could retire from the board with better than a one million dollar bonus on top of the $400K+ he was already making. This was when the real bloodletting began. To reduce costs, they would reduce staff across the board and close a lot of their smaller plants located around the world. This proved very painful to the community and it has not recovered. Well, old Earnie wasn't totally successful with the stock pricing scheme, but he still quietly retired very wealthy and moved out of state. I'm sure there's a price on his head. We have other industries (paper mill, printing, glass) but the number of people at these jobs is miniscule compared to Eastman. Eastman even coerced the city government to build a large Marriott conference center and golf course so they'd have a place to entertain out of town business people and our sales tax went up to help fund it. What Eastman quietly did once the facility was almost finished was to build their own "retreat" on their mountainside property about five miles away to host their VIP's. The city currently has to subsidize this conference center in the six-figure range annually. Funny, we never hear too much now from Eastman about the "retreat". You can blame Wal-Mart for a measurable amount of lost jobs across the country. They've squeezed suppliers so tightly that they've had to go overseas to keep afloat. Just ask the folks at Vlasic Pickles about their experience. I'd say less than 5% of what W-M sells is now domestic in any form. The almighty stockholder dollar, it's ruined our country. David S. |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! |
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Henry Blackmoore wrote in message news:98W0c.15261 one can easily make more than ten bucks an hour panhandling at a good intersection.... LOL Maybe we can outsource our Congress and your Canadian Parliament to Bangalore India? I understand that Indians would work for 1/8 the pay-scale of Canadian/US politicians and they would be much less likely to get caught in headline breaking scandals. Good idea..we have a new prime minister who seems eager to please. I don't know about your George W. I see you're back with a 'splash'. Be careful, that institution may revoke your pass if you act up too much! |
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at least another Clinton would be good for a few blow- jobs.... Something wrong with getting BJs by an intern at the office? You gotta admit, it's a lot more interesting than running a secret society called the presidency for the past 4 years, head up by a supposedly moral individual taking *way* too many vacations, skipping out on National Guard service, insighting nationalistic, but mistaken for patriotic, thoughts. |
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In article , "Don White" wrote:
Henry Blackmoore wrote in message news:98W0c.15261 one can easily make more than ten bucks an hour panhandling at a good intersection.... LOL Maybe we can outsource our Congress and your Canadian Parliament to Bangalore India? I understand that Indians would work for 1/8 the pay-scale of Canadian/US politicians and they would be much less likely to get caught in headline breaking scandals. Good idea..we have a new prime minister who seems eager to please. I don't know about your George W. I see you're back with a 'splash'. Be careful, that institution may revoke your pass if you act up too much! That "institution" pays so very well that I wouldn't want to upset them however they (fortunately) need me much more than I need them. No chance of outsourcing me anytime in the near futures... lol So maybe I will just rock the boat a little more thank-you! :^) |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. Answer the question, or shove your opinions up your arse! The bleeding started under the last President. What's your candidate going to do? * A New 'State Tax Relief and Education Fund'. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases. This fund will help states struggling to bridge deficits resulting from Bush's economic policies with an additional $25 billion a year for two years to stop the education cuts, tuition increases and tax and fee raising that are inhibiting our economic growth and causing layoffs. This fund includes Kerry's proposed $5 billion to stop state cuts in health care that hurt workers and patients, $5 billion for homeland security to stem layoffs of police officers and fire fighters, and his commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind education law. * Tax Breaks to Expand Manufacturing Jobs in the U.S. Over 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since President Bush took office. John Kerry will save jobs by ending the unpatriotic practice of U.S. corporations moving offshore simply to avoid paying their fair share of our nation's tax burden. To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will: o Get the Crane-Rangel-Hollings legislation enacted, which provides a corporate rate reduction to manufacturers who produce goods in the United States; o Propose a new jobs tax credit to encourage manufacturing companies to stay and expand in America. When a manufacturing company creates jobs above their 12 month average, the payroll taxes of the new employees will be refunded for two years. o Immediately restore and double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership that President Bush slashed by 80%. * Job Creation Summits. Ours is a large and complex economy and John Kerry believes that we must understand the challenges to economic prosperity in each sector. He will hold economic policy summits once a week for the first six months of his Presidency to develop targeted strategies to create jobs in key regions and key industries. (2) USING AMERICAN INGENUITY TO CREATE A STRONG ECONOMIC FUTURE. We must fight for our economic security not only by stimulating job growth today but also by ensuring that our research, our technology investment, and our spirit for innovation are paving the way for high wage jobs in new industries. * Make Trade Work for America. The Bush Administration has neglected to enforce trade laws or respond to the unfair practices of some of our nation's largest trading partners. As President, John Kerry will: order an immediate 120 day top to bottom review of all trade agreements to ensure that foreign nations fully comply with trade agreements they sign with our country; vigorously enforce our trade laws to ensure our workers are not victims of unfair trading practices; insist future trade agreements incorporate within them core labor standards and environmental protections; demand that other countries, such as China, do not manipulate their currencies to gain unfair trade advantages; and help any workers displaced by trade develop new skills and find new jobs. * Control Rising Health Care Costs so Our Industries Can Compete. Businesses cannot compete if they are weighed down by health care costs, especially since the health care costs of our industrial competitors are often subsidized by government. It costs U.S. automakers $1,000 per car just to cover health care costs for employees. John Kerry's plan controls rising health care costs by helping pay for catastrophic care cases. * Revitalize the High Technology Sector to Pave the Way for Industries of the Future. Kerry will fight to connect every American family to the Internet, encourage a renewed educational focus on science and math, bring the best practices of operational efficiency from the private sector to the public sector, and restore the government's commitment to scientific achievement through increases in research funding for the Department of Energy, NASA, and the National Science Foundation. Kerry will also strongly support programs targeted at the next generation of innovation, such as nanotechnology and biotechnology research. * New Manufacturing Jobs by Investing in America's Energy Independence. The recent massive blackout leaves no question that our foreign oil dependence and obsolete electricity system undermine our economy. Kerry will create hundreds of thousands of good jobs, many of them in manufacturing, by investing in the new energy opportunities of the future such as: producing 20 percent of all our electricity from renewable sources by 2020; giving tax credits to manufacturers to develop the next generation of automobiles; new energy efficient appliances for homes and businesses; and investing in projects like building the Alaska National Pipeline. (3) MAKING FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE AFFORDABLE. To be successful in the 21st Century economy, America's workforce must be more innovative and productive than our competitors. That means better science and math in our schools and job training opportunities. But it also means giving every American the opportunity of four years of college. * Create a New "College Opportunity Tax Credit". Kerry's "College Opportunity Tax Credit" will make four years of college affordable for all Americans. He will provide a credit for each and every year of college on the first $4,000 paid in tuition - the typical tuition and fees for public college tuition. The credit will provide 100% of the first $1000 and 50% on the rest. It will also make this credit refundable for those who receive other credits. * Pay College Tuition for Students That Give Two Years of Service to America. Kerry's 'Service for College' plan will provide the cost of four years at a public college to young people in exchange for serving their communities and country in national service. (4) PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES RATHER AND CRACK DOWN ON UNFAIR RELIEF FOR CORPORATE AMERICA. President Bush has turned a blind eye to struggling American families, despite the fact that today's two-earner families are earning 75 percent more than their single earner family counterparts a generation ago, but they have less money to spend due to soaring housing costs, day care, college tuition, and health care. John Kerry would: * Keep the Middle Class Tax Cuts to Help Families Make Ends Meet. John Kerry believes that we should keep the middle class tax cuts that Democrats fought for in 2001 and 2003, which increased the child tax credit, reduced the marriage penalty and lowered tax rates. He strongly disagrees with Democrats who want to repeal these tax cuts, which would cost a typical middle-class family with two children an additional $2000. * Help Americans Get Ahead. o College Tax Cut: John Kerry will help Americans get ahead with his new "College Opportunity Tax Credit" by ensuring college is available for four years for every American. o Helping Create Wealth in the Stock Market: John Kerry opposes the dividend tax cuts in the 2003 tax bill that result in receptionists paying higher tax rates than CEOs. However, he does believe that middle class Americans should get more from their investments and will lower capital gains and dividend taxes for the middle class. Making Corporate America Live By America's Values. Our economy does well when our workers are doing well. Today, Americans who are working hard and playing by the rules are faced with higher health care costs, higher state taxes, higher college tuition and limited job opportunities. At the same time, many corporations are bending the rules and shirking their fair share of the burden - and the Bush Administration is rewarding those who break the rules with lucrative government contracts. Kerry will fight for a government that rewards those who work hard and play by the rules and challenges those who don't. * Restore Investor Confidence With Strong Enforcement by the Securities and Exchange Commission: John Kerry will fund strong budgets and assure strong enforcement by the SEC. * Stop Corporations From Keeping Bank Accounts in Countries like Bermuda to Avoid Paying Taxes. John Kerry believes that American companies should not be allowed to set up virtual headquarters in foreign countries that are hardly more than mailboxes just to avoid paying U.S. taxes. * Assure Corporations Account for Disparities on the Books. A recent Joint Committee on Taxation report found that Enron claimed a $2.3 billion in profit between 1996 and 1999 in reports to its investors, while reporting a $3 billion tax loss to the IRS. John Kerry believes corporations should have to account these kinds of disparities. * Stop Giving Government Contracts to Corporations Breaking the Rules. The Federal government should not give lucrative contracts to companies that have a record of accounting fraud - like WorldCom - or are moving offshore. * End Unfair Protections for CEOs. Executives should not be walking away with millions of dollars in salaries and benefits while their workers are laid off their companies are defaulting on loans. Kerry would tighten the laws that allow corporations to take advantage of tax deductions for performance based executive pay - even when executives do nothing to improve productivity. * Protect Worker Rights. Kerry believes that ensuring there is a fair playing field for workers is important to a strong economy. He supports increasing the minimum wage and indexing it to inflation; improving workplace health and safety; assuring fair overtime rules; and worker's right to join a union. (5) RESTORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE: By borrowing from future generations to give tax relief to those who need help the least, George W. Bush's economic policies have, for the first time in history, forced the federal government to spend $1 billion more EACH DAY than it takes in. President Bush's exploding deficits are destroying the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and he has placed the enormous burden of saving these programs on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. John Kerry believes that we need a smaller and smarter government that wastes less money. John Kerry's plan will: Balance the Budget * Cut the Deficit in Half: John Kerry is committed to balancing the budget. He has put forward a sensible plan that will at least cut the deficit in half in his first term, while investing in economic growth and investing in workers. * A Balanced Budget Summit: The best way to get to a balanced budget is not in partisan bickering, but in bipartisan cooperation. As President, John Kerry will call a Balanced Budget Summit that will require all sides to work together to make at least temporary sacrifices -- even in their top priorities -- as part of a concerted effort to restore fiscal discipline and fight for our future. * End Special Tax Breaks: To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush's special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000. * Cut Excesses in Government: One of the Bush Administrations well-kept secrets is that under his watch the size of government has actually gotten bigger - not smaller. John Kerry will reduce the size of the Federal government by: bringing spending down to the level of GDP it was under Clinton, requiring federal agencies to submit annual plans to reduce energy costs by 20 percent by 2020; cut the Federal government's administrative costs by five percent; cut the number of political appointees and ban providing bonuses for political appointees; cut fraud and abuse in government programs - fraud and abuse is estimated to cost $12 billion in Medicare alone and end rules that prevent the Federal government from having the same purchasing authority as the private sector. More details later. Where is all this money coming from? Where is his leadership for the last 18 years? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! Bull****, eh? Let's look at facts from bls.gov: Average unemployment rate (1st three years of Presidency): Clinton: 6.2% Bush: 5.5% Unemployment rate on January of each President's fourth year in office: Clinton: 7.3% in January 1994 Bush: 6.3% in January 2004 (source:http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOu...ool=latest_num bers&series_id=LNU04000000&years_option=all_years& periods_option=specific_pe riods&periods=Annual+Data) |
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"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! Bull****, eh? Let's look at facts from bls.gov: Average unemployment rate (1st three years of Presidency): Clinton: 6.2% Bush: 5.5% Unemployment rate on January of each President's fourth year in office: Clinton: 7.3% in January 1994 Bush: 6.3% in January 2004 4 years in office would be 1996 for Clinton and I believe (I did not check) the unemployment rate was 6.6%. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim-- wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.11a10c49ca3423911f02699cbc6b988a@107 8165397.nulluser.com... Thanks to the Bush Administration fiddling while our jobs have burned, we're down 2.5 million jobs since the idiot assumed office. snip Bull! http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...5/171833.shtml ------------------------------------------- Your bullship pickup from Not-the-newsmax has been discredited at least 50 times. Find something else. Bull! |
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"plantsman" wrote in message . com... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Regardless of which numbers you use, however, there have been five straight months of employment growth. By the election, they'll be 13 straight months of employment growth. It will be impossible for Democrats to say that jobs are being lost under Bush...when the numbers show a 13 month upward trend in job growth. Two graphs, if brought out in one of the debates (a-la-Perot), will spell the demise of the Democratic candidate: 1) a graph of the quarterly increases in GDP for the prior 18 months. 2) a graph of the number of new jobs added each month for the prior 13 months. Both graphs will have sharp upward-sloping lines...showing that we're in the midst of a 1 to 1 1/2 year boom in our economy. Then Bush will look at the camera, tell the audience that Kerry/Edwards/etc. will repeal the tax cut, thus raising your taxes, and return us to a recession. Then he'll tell the audience that we have bin Laden in captivity. ;-) ======================= Tell me what those new jobs are and where have they been created? These occupations have shown an *increase* in employment numbers: Management, professional, and related occupations Service occupations Production, transportation, and material moving occupations Construction and extraction occupations Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations These have shown a decrease in employment numbers: Sales and office occupations Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t10.htm) Are they former professionals now working two jobs at different fast food restaurants just to survive? No. If that's the case, and I suspect that most of it is, You suspect wrong. then that is no growth at all with their net income much lower than it was before. Yes, two jobs may have been created but at what effect to a family's standard of living? Wrong again. According to the BLS, there was a 2% increase in "Usually Weekly Earnings of Wage and Salary Workers" from 2002 to 2003. The consumer price index went up only 1.9%...so wages outpaced inflation. That couldn't happen if eveybody was leaving high-paying jobs to become burger flippers. (source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.nr0.htm) Quit believing all of the doom and gloom the Demon-crats are trying to sell you. They run on a message of hate, fear, and negativity. Republicans run on a message of optimism, hope, and prosperity. Don't believe that? Go through google archives and try to find *one single* "positive" post that Harry, jps, Jim, or basskisser has posted here. |
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"plantsman" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "plantsman" wrote in message om... Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. They're not selling to relocate to a new job. They're selling to relocate to a nicer climate. Our real estate market in Southwest Florida is still going gangbusters. I just sold my house today after about 60 days on the market. We sold it for 37% more than we paid in January 2001. Finally, I can pull the boat out of the marina (it's a friggin' hour and half drive to go 30 miles), and park it in the back yard of my new home. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. I couldn't imagine a worse hardship than working for the only major employer in a certain area, and then that employer picking up and moving. Unfortunately, your area isn't experiencing anything different from what those living in the mining towns of PA experienced decades ago. People complained about the same thing back then. It's a fact of life that every year, technology changes, mines dry up, or jobs get sent overseas. It sucks that manufacturing jobs are being sent overseas, but that's the reality in a World economy with the WTO and NAFTA. Any candidate that will tell you he/she can do something to slow the exodus of jobs going overseas is full of ****. Completely full of ****! Ask 'em for details. Kerry says "he'll close the loopholes". What loopholes!?!? Demand they be specific! The bottom line is...Perot and Buchanan were right. However, the loss of manufacturing jobs was inevitable. NAFTA and the WTO just expedited things. =================== The situation at Eastman Chemical Co. may be sort of unique among large companies. This huge plant, one of the largest chemical plant sites in the world, was originally a division of Eastman Kodak. Does Eastman Chemical make the chemicals that are used for film processing...like developing x-rays, etc? If that's the case, then they're just a victim of new technology. The world is going digital. I see it first hand in the health fields. We haven't developed a radiograph in our office in over 4 years. Recently, Kodak made the decision not to spend any more R&D money on film technology. In the dental field, they just acquired Practiceworks, Inc. and Trophy Radiologie...two companies that played a large role in the obsolescence of dental film. They've accepted the fact that digital has taken over. I suspect the Eastman plant is just a victim of that technology. http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/pres...30721-01.shtml |
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"Jim--" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! Bull****, eh? Let's look at facts from bls.gov: Average unemployment rate (1st three years of Presidency): Clinton: 6.2% Bush: 5.5% Unemployment rate on January of each President's fourth year in office: Clinton: 7.3% in January 1994 Bush: 6.3% in January 2004 4 years in office would be 1996 for Clinton and I believe (I did not check) the unemployment rate was 6.6%.' You're right. My mistake. Bush: 6.3% (January 2004) Clinton: 6.3% (January 1996) |
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NOYB wrote:
"Jim--" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! Bull****, eh? Let's look at facts from bls.gov: Average unemployment rate (1st three years of Presidency): Clinton: 6.2% Bush: 5.5% Unemployment rate on January of each President's fourth year in office: Clinton: 7.3% in January 1994 Bush: 6.3% in January 2004 4 years in office would be 1996 for Clinton and I believe (I did not check) the unemployment rate was 6.6%.' You're right. My mistake. Bush: 6.3% (January 2004) Clinton: 6.3% (January 1996) Bush isn't playing well in Ohio. You realize that if Bush carries all the states he carried in 2000 but one, and Kerry carries all the states Gore carried in 2000, and Kerry carries Ohio, Bush is...gone. |
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You and Me You repeat all of that super long post just to say three words? "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: [SUPER LONG IRRELEVANT REPOST SNIPPED] |
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The same can be said of New Mexico, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa,
Pennsylvania...and your own state of Maryland. All of those went to Gore in 2000, and any one of those could swing towards Bush this time. Kerry didn't have a particularly strong showing several of those states. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Jim--" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! Bull****, eh? Let's look at facts from bls.gov: Average unemployment rate (1st three years of Presidency): Clinton: 6.2% Bush: 5.5% Unemployment rate on January of each President's fourth year in office: Clinton: 7.3% in January 1994 Bush: 6.3% in January 2004 4 years in office would be 1996 for Clinton and I believe (I did not check) the unemployment rate was 6.6%.' You're right. My mistake. Bush: 6.3% (January 2004) Clinton: 6.3% (January 1996) Bush isn't playing well in Ohio. You realize that if Bush carries all the states he carried in 2000 but one, and Kerry carries all the states Gore carried in 2000, and Kerry carries Ohio, Bush is...gone. |
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The same can be said of New Mexico, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, Pennsylvania...and your own state of Maryland. All of those went to Gore in 2000, and any one of those could swing towards Bush this time. Kerry didn't have a particularly strong showing several of those states. Hehehe. Your boy Bush is in deep doo-doo. Kerry will carry every state Gore carried, and he's going to pick up Ohio and a couple of other states that went for Bush but have suffered massive job losses. Bush can try to b.s. about jobs, about health care, about education, about Social Security and Medicare, about the environment, but he has feet of clay in those areas, and he has been an absolute disaster in the international area. All your dumb boy Bush has are wedge issues (gay marriage, for example), and fear. Perhaps he should start a new website called FearBush.COM, as fear and divisiveness are the Republican stocks-in-trade. And then there is Cheney, a real anchor around Bush's dirty neck. Bush would be better served if Cheney had a fatal heart attack before the GOP convention, or decided to step down so someone less slimey could fill in for him. I expect the dirtiest campaign ever from the Repubicans. Bush cannot run on his record, because his record as president is horrible. He has to go on the the attack. |
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