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What $100 Billion Buys...
In article , "Don White" wrote:
Up here the gov't makes a big deal about attracting 'call center ' jobs. It gives the companies tax concessions, and will sometimes pay to train the staff...all for $ 10.00 per hour jobs. Pathetic! one can easily make more than ten bucks an hour panhandling at a good intersection.... LOL Maybe we can outsource our Congress and your Canadian Parliament to Bangalore India? I understand that Indians would work for 1/8 the pay-scale of Canadian/US politicians and they would be much less likely to get caught in headline breaking scandals. |
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What $100 Billion Buys...
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "plantsman" wrote in message om... Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. They're not selling to relocate to a new job. They're selling to relocate to a nicer climate. Our real estate market in Southwest Florida is still going gangbusters. I just sold my house today after about 60 days on the market. We sold it for 37% more than we paid in January 2001. Finally, I can pull the boat out of the marina (it's a friggin' hour and half drive to go 30 miles), and park it in the back yard of my new home. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. I couldn't imagine a worse hardship than working for the only major employer in a certain area, and then that employer picking up and moving. Unfortunately, your area isn't experiencing anything different from what those living in the mining towns of PA experienced decades ago. People complained about the same thing back then. It's a fact of life that every year, technology changes, mines dry up, or jobs get sent overseas. It sucks that manufacturing jobs are being sent overseas, but that's the reality in a World economy with the WTO and NAFTA. Any candidate that will tell you he/she can do something to slow the exodus of jobs going overseas is full of ****. Completely full of ****! Ask 'em for details. Kerry says "he'll close the loopholes". What loopholes!?!? Demand they be specific! The bottom line is...Perot and Buchanan were right. However, the loss of manufacturing jobs was inevitable. NAFTA and the WTO just expedited things. =================== The situation at Eastman Chemical Co. may be sort of unique among large companies. This huge plant, one of the largest chemical plant sites in the world, was originally a division of Eastman Kodak. Twenty years ago, they employed almost 18,000 people. Then Kodak got the bright idea to spin them off, as they were wanting to stay more in the photographic business and less into chemicals. The spun the company off into Eastman Chemical Co. Beginning about ten years ago, they started contracting out almost everything that had been in-house except the chemical operations. Engineering, construction, railway services, all the way down to guards and cafeteria workers. Tons of people were laid off and then rehired at much lower wages by the contractors. They did this gradually to have a riot on their hands. This company used to be very paternal, no one had been laid-off since the 1950's. My dad worked there for 41 years and most of my relatives also worked there. Eastman was the whole reason that the city of Kingsport existed in the first place. It was just country prior to about 1920 when George Eastman came down from NY and bought a wood mill and small methanol plant that was built for WWI but not completed in time. Methanol was once used in the photographic industry. A few years ago, Eastman's president was given an incentive that was hard for him to resist. Bring Eastman's stock value up to a certain point, and he could retire from the board with better than a one million dollar bonus on top of the $400K+ he was already making. This was when the real bloodletting began. To reduce costs, they would reduce staff across the board and close a lot of their smaller plants located around the world. This proved very painful to the community and it has not recovered. Well, old Earnie wasn't totally successful with the stock pricing scheme, but he still quietly retired very wealthy and moved out of state. I'm sure there's a price on his head. We have other industries (paper mill, printing, glass) but the number of people at these jobs is miniscule compared to Eastman. Eastman even coerced the city government to build a large Marriott conference center and golf course so they'd have a place to entertain out of town business people and our sales tax went up to help fund it. What Eastman quietly did once the facility was almost finished was to build their own "retreat" on their mountainside property about five miles away to host their VIP's. The city currently has to subsidize this conference center in the six-figure range annually. Funny, we never hear too much now from Eastman about the "retreat". You can blame Wal-Mart for a measurable amount of lost jobs across the country. They've squeezed suppliers so tightly that they've had to go overseas to keep afloat. Just ask the folks at Vlasic Pickles about their experience. I'd say less than 5% of what W-M sells is now domestic in any form. The almighty stockholder dollar, it's ruined our country. David S. |
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What $100 Billion Buys...
NOYB wrote:
"bb" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 02:28:25 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? Why set the bar so high? Bush lost 3,000,000 jobs on his watch. No he didn't. That number is a lie. First of all, if you use the flawed Payroll Data Survey, that number is only 2.4 million...not 3 million. However, if you use the more accurate Household Data survey, there was a net *GAIN* in jobs under Bush. Ahhh...time for the NewsMax bullship alert again...whoop, whoop, whoop! |
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What $100 Billion Buys...
Henry Blackmoore wrote in message news:98W0c.15261 one can easily make more than ten bucks an hour panhandling at a good intersection.... LOL Maybe we can outsource our Congress and your Canadian Parliament to Bangalore India? I understand that Indians would work for 1/8 the pay-scale of Canadian/US politicians and they would be much less likely to get caught in headline breaking scandals. Good idea..we have a new prime minister who seems eager to please. I don't know about your George W. I see you're back with a 'splash'. Be careful, that institution may revoke your pass if you act up too much! |
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What $100 Billion Buys...
at least another Clinton would be good for a few blow- jobs.... Something wrong with getting BJs by an intern at the office? You gotta admit, it's a lot more interesting than running a secret society called the presidency for the past 4 years, head up by a supposedly moral individual taking *way* too many vacations, skipping out on National Guard service, insighting nationalistic, but mistaken for patriotic, thoughts. |
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What $100 Billion Buys...
In article , "Don White" wrote:
Henry Blackmoore wrote in message news:98W0c.15261 one can easily make more than ten bucks an hour panhandling at a good intersection.... LOL Maybe we can outsource our Congress and your Canadian Parliament to Bangalore India? I understand that Indians would work for 1/8 the pay-scale of Canadian/US politicians and they would be much less likely to get caught in headline breaking scandals. Good idea..we have a new prime minister who seems eager to please. I don't know about your George W. I see you're back with a 'splash'. Be careful, that institution may revoke your pass if you act up too much! That "institution" pays so very well that I wouldn't want to upset them however they (fortunately) need me much more than I need them. No chance of outsourcing me anytime in the near futures... lol So maybe I will just rock the boat a little more thank-you! :^) |
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What $100 Billion Buys...
You and Me
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... plantsman wrote: Bull! to Newsmax. I don't care how they cook the books on this one, jobs are not being created in Tennessee and more are going way south or far east every day. In just my area of NE TN, in the past ten years, we've lost something to the tune of better than 6,000 manufacturing jobs and over 1,000 more engineering and support jobs for the area's industry. That's almost a quarter of all industrial jobs here. Even Burger King has taken down their "Help Wanted" signs. I'm a Republican but if the Bush team succeeds in measuring burger flippin' as a manufacturing job, them I'm going to reconsider my vote come November. Real estate here is a mini-mansion buyers market, as so many white collar folks have had to pull up and relocate when their $100K+ jobs evaporated due to cutbacks. It's still not over, more layoffs are expected as the area's largest employer, Eastman Chemical, sells off one of their divisions and potentially 2,000+ people will be impacted. We've got Bechtel mechanical and chemical engineers delivering pizzas and working for the newspaper in an effort to keep from having to move away and loose their butts on their homes. It is the pits! My former employer (industrial equipment/supply) (I retired in July due to illness) went from having over thirty people working to only about eleven, due to the fallout from Eastman basically stopping in their tracks. They're not optimistic about surviving as a company. Several competitors and related companies have already bellied-up. Everyone from car dealers, furniture stores, and everyone except Wal-Mart has been impacted. David S. Kingsport, TN Cheap labor...the dream of Republicans everywhere. If you want a sea change, do what you can to ensure Bush does not steal a second term. The Bush-ites don't give a crap about working men and women. What is Kerry or Edwards going to do to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 new jobs? After four years of Bush, just stopping the negative outflow of our life's blood would be a miracle. Answer the question, or shove your opinions up your arse! The bleeding started under the last President. What's your candidate going to do? * A New 'State Tax Relief and Education Fund'. The Bush economic approach has left states with nearly $90 billion in budget deficits, forcing lay offs, education cuts, and tax increases. This fund will help states struggling to bridge deficits resulting from Bush's economic policies with an additional $25 billion a year for two years to stop the education cuts, tuition increases and tax and fee raising that are inhibiting our economic growth and causing layoffs. This fund includes Kerry's proposed $5 billion to stop state cuts in health care that hurt workers and patients, $5 billion for homeland security to stem layoffs of police officers and fire fighters, and his commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind education law. * Tax Breaks to Expand Manufacturing Jobs in the U.S. Over 2.7 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since President Bush took office. John Kerry will save jobs by ending the unpatriotic practice of U.S. corporations moving offshore simply to avoid paying their fair share of our nation's tax burden. To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will: o Get the Crane-Rangel-Hollings legislation enacted, which provides a corporate rate reduction to manufacturers who produce goods in the United States; o Propose a new jobs tax credit to encourage manufacturing companies to stay and expand in America. When a manufacturing company creates jobs above their 12 month average, the payroll taxes of the new employees will be refunded for two years. o Immediately restore and double funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership that President Bush slashed by 80%. * Job Creation Summits. Ours is a large and complex economy and John Kerry believes that we must understand the challenges to economic prosperity in each sector. He will hold economic policy summits once a week for the first six months of his Presidency to develop targeted strategies to create jobs in key regions and key industries. (2) USING AMERICAN INGENUITY TO CREATE A STRONG ECONOMIC FUTURE. We must fight for our economic security not only by stimulating job growth today but also by ensuring that our research, our technology investment, and our spirit for innovation are paving the way for high wage jobs in new industries. * Make Trade Work for America. The Bush Administration has neglected to enforce trade laws or respond to the unfair practices of some of our nation's largest trading partners. As President, John Kerry will: order an immediate 120 day top to bottom review of all trade agreements to ensure that foreign nations fully comply with trade agreements they sign with our country; vigorously enforce our trade laws to ensure our workers are not victims of unfair trading practices; insist future trade agreements incorporate within them core labor standards and environmental protections; demand that other countries, such as China, do not manipulate their currencies to gain unfair trade advantages; and help any workers displaced by trade develop new skills and find new jobs. * Control Rising Health Care Costs so Our Industries Can Compete. Businesses cannot compete if they are weighed down by health care costs, especially since the health care costs of our industrial competitors are often subsidized by government. It costs U.S. automakers $1,000 per car just to cover health care costs for employees. John Kerry's plan controls rising health care costs by helping pay for catastrophic care cases. * Revitalize the High Technology Sector to Pave the Way for Industries of the Future. Kerry will fight to connect every American family to the Internet, encourage a renewed educational focus on science and math, bring the best practices of operational efficiency from the private sector to the public sector, and restore the government's commitment to scientific achievement through increases in research funding for the Department of Energy, NASA, and the National Science Foundation. Kerry will also strongly support programs targeted at the next generation of innovation, such as nanotechnology and biotechnology research. * New Manufacturing Jobs by Investing in America's Energy Independence. The recent massive blackout leaves no question that our foreign oil dependence and obsolete electricity system undermine our economy. Kerry will create hundreds of thousands of good jobs, many of them in manufacturing, by investing in the new energy opportunities of the future such as: producing 20 percent of all our electricity from renewable sources by 2020; giving tax credits to manufacturers to develop the next generation of automobiles; new energy efficient appliances for homes and businesses; and investing in projects like building the Alaska National Pipeline. (3) MAKING FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE AFFORDABLE. To be successful in the 21st Century economy, America's workforce must be more innovative and productive than our competitors. That means better science and math in our schools and job training opportunities. But it also means giving every American the opportunity of four years of college. * Create a New "College Opportunity Tax Credit". Kerry's "College Opportunity Tax Credit" will make four years of college affordable for all Americans. He will provide a credit for each and every year of college on the first $4,000 paid in tuition - the typical tuition and fees for public college tuition. The credit will provide 100% of the first $1000 and 50% on the rest. It will also make this credit refundable for those who receive other credits. * Pay College Tuition for Students That Give Two Years of Service to America. Kerry's 'Service for College' plan will provide the cost of four years at a public college to young people in exchange for serving their communities and country in national service. (4) PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES RATHER AND CRACK DOWN ON UNFAIR RELIEF FOR CORPORATE AMERICA. President Bush has turned a blind eye to struggling American families, despite the fact that today's two-earner families are earning 75 percent more than their single earner family counterparts a generation ago, but they have less money to spend due to soaring housing costs, day care, college tuition, and health care. John Kerry would: * Keep the Middle Class Tax Cuts to Help Families Make Ends Meet. John Kerry believes that we should keep the middle class tax cuts that Democrats fought for in 2001 and 2003, which increased the child tax credit, reduced the marriage penalty and lowered tax rates. He strongly disagrees with Democrats who want to repeal these tax cuts, which would cost a typical middle-class family with two children an additional $2000. * Help Americans Get Ahead. o College Tax Cut: John Kerry will help Americans get ahead with his new "College Opportunity Tax Credit" by ensuring college is available for four years for every American. o Helping Create Wealth in the Stock Market: John Kerry opposes the dividend tax cuts in the 2003 tax bill that result in receptionists paying higher tax rates than CEOs. However, he does believe that middle class Americans should get more from their investments and will lower capital gains and dividend taxes for the middle class. Making Corporate America Live By America's Values. Our economy does well when our workers are doing well. Today, Americans who are working hard and playing by the rules are faced with higher health care costs, higher state taxes, higher college tuition and limited job opportunities. At the same time, many corporations are bending the rules and shirking their fair share of the burden - and the Bush Administration is rewarding those who break the rules with lucrative government contracts. Kerry will fight for a government that rewards those who work hard and play by the rules and challenges those who don't. * Restore Investor Confidence With Strong Enforcement by the Securities and Exchange Commission: John Kerry will fund strong budgets and assure strong enforcement by the SEC. * Stop Corporations From Keeping Bank Accounts in Countries like Bermuda to Avoid Paying Taxes. John Kerry believes that American companies should not be allowed to set up virtual headquarters in foreign countries that are hardly more than mailboxes just to avoid paying U.S. taxes. * Assure Corporations Account for Disparities on the Books. A recent Joint Committee on Taxation report found that Enron claimed a $2.3 billion in profit between 1996 and 1999 in reports to its investors, while reporting a $3 billion tax loss to the IRS. John Kerry believes corporations should have to account these kinds of disparities. * Stop Giving Government Contracts to Corporations Breaking the Rules. The Federal government should not give lucrative contracts to companies that have a record of accounting fraud - like WorldCom - or are moving offshore. * End Unfair Protections for CEOs. Executives should not be walking away with millions of dollars in salaries and benefits while their workers are laid off their companies are defaulting on loans. Kerry would tighten the laws that allow corporations to take advantage of tax deductions for performance based executive pay - even when executives do nothing to improve productivity. * Protect Worker Rights. Kerry believes that ensuring there is a fair playing field for workers is important to a strong economy. He supports increasing the minimum wage and indexing it to inflation; improving workplace health and safety; assuring fair overtime rules; and worker's right to join a union. (5) RESTORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE: By borrowing from future generations to give tax relief to those who need help the least, George W. Bush's economic policies have, for the first time in history, forced the federal government to spend $1 billion more EACH DAY than it takes in. President Bush's exploding deficits are destroying the solvency of Social Security and Medicare and he has placed the enormous burden of saving these programs on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. John Kerry believes that we need a smaller and smarter government that wastes less money. John Kerry's plan will: Balance the Budget * Cut the Deficit in Half: John Kerry is committed to balancing the budget. He has put forward a sensible plan that will at least cut the deficit in half in his first term, while investing in economic growth and investing in workers. * A Balanced Budget Summit: The best way to get to a balanced budget is not in partisan bickering, but in bipartisan cooperation. As President, John Kerry will call a Balanced Budget Summit that will require all sides to work together to make at least temporary sacrifices -- even in their top priorities -- as part of a concerted effort to restore fiscal discipline and fight for our future. * End Special Tax Breaks: To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush's special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000. * Cut Excesses in Government: One of the Bush Administrations well-kept secrets is that under his watch the size of government has actually gotten bigger - not smaller. John Kerry will reduce the size of the Federal government by: bringing spending down to the level of GDP it was under Clinton, requiring federal agencies to submit annual plans to reduce energy costs by 20 percent by 2020; cut the Federal government's administrative costs by five percent; cut the number of political appointees and ban providing bonuses for political appointees; cut fraud and abuse in government programs - fraud and abuse is estimated to cost $12 billion in Medicare alone and end rules that prevent the Federal government from having the same purchasing authority as the private sector. More details later. Where is all this money coming from? Where is his leadership for the last 18 years? |
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