krause

you are the last person who should be giving people advice on boats.

I know,, I know,,, you used to own the largest OMC dealership in America.
hmmmm,,

but keep your opinions to yourself. If you want to lie,, if you want to brag
about your dysfunctional family,, the 3 wives, the 3rd 20 years your junior
and dumb as a shrimp. The children leaving you etc etc etc,, krause you can
brag that all day long,,

but don't give anyone advice on a boat, it is just too risky.

You off your meds today by the way???/?? You have made some really stupid
statements.

I mean ,, make it center,, then don't make it center,, krause ,,, you mixing
up those meds again/?? The little woman mixing hers in with yours?? You
mixing that viagra in with your heart and liver pills again? you really
shouldn't , you know that makes your nose grow,,, hmmmmmm but you have no
problem doing that on your own.....










"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JJ wrote:
I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my
fishing boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6
inches to make room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main
motor be centered ?

Thanks
John

It's important that the main outboard on an outboard boat be centered so
as to avoid steering and balance problems. A main motor mounted off center
will not steer the boat in a straight line. You'd be better off finding
and mounting a transom bracket for the smaller motor. If you do, make sure
the bracket allows you to tip the trolling motor up out of the water
completely.




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JJ wrote:
I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my fishing
boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6 inches to make
room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main motor be centered ?

Thanks
John



You should try it, oft the simplest solution does turn out to be the
best & given it will cost you nothing; try it first & see.

Given your main motor is 30Hp I'm guessing the boat isn't too big (no
offense intended) & in smaller boats having the OB offset while not
exactly common is still seen regularly.

Mainly used by the real boaters, like the pro fishermen who use dories
for a living. They're not too concerned with "convention" at the
marinas, just outcomes:-)

The Whaler catamaran brands used to be sold with a single offset OB.

If your OB is tiller steered or wheel with you to one side, this means
you're biasing your weight to one side in the boat anyway, indeed you'll
notice that this means to traverse a straight course you actually need
to have the OB at a slight angle anyway to counteract the weight bias of
you to one side, the engine torque & the prop water wheel effect.

So experienced boaters who want to actually "use" a boat & have it
track easily, or want to stand & do work related things without their
weight upsetting the track too much often move the OB slightly to one
side (the engine must remain vertical, don't just tilt it sideways)

How much depends very much on the weight bias to be counteracted, the
boats beam, size, speed etc. However be a real boatie JJ & experiment
with it you'll be astounded how much extra performance you can get out
of a small boat if the motor can actually be pushing directly forward &
fun you'll have doing it:-)

I read the thread with some real disappointment because
........................... well because as usual parody Harry (the last
one) seems to actually be a boater & actually know about boats unlike
the original Krause who is just a non boating liar, imagine that??? with
the boating experience Krause claims & he's totally unaware of offset
OBs???? Dear dear dear flat on his lying arse yet again:-)

K


& the Krause lie for the day is??........

For years this lying simpleton union organiser has denigrated the
US military in all ways.

He especially denigrates anyone who was in Vietnam because after
all "he" was against that war too.

It doesn't seem to occur to him that it's the same brave people he
denigrates that allow the likes of him to lie & BS their useless way
through life. The very same military that has prevented a repeat of 911
the worst atrocity in history??

Anyway this idiot as usual creates a lie so he can claim to have a
legitimate knowledge, he creates lies about boats he doesn't own, posts
false pics, even a jetski at one stage so he could pollute that NG for a
while.

For me it's his Vietnam lie that is especially offensive to all who
served & risked "their" lives to protect cowardly him & to those that
did much more than just risk their lives. A lowlife lying grub is our
Krause.


It's so much fun keeping pea-sized, right-wing "brains" spinning. You're
being far to analytical here, John. Just to make your day, not only was
I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the
war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at
the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you,
John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse?

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Unless the two motors are of equal horsepower and mounted as twins,
there is no reason why you would move the main motor to anyplace other
than directly on centerline. I can't imagine what a boat would be like
to steer if it is up on plane with the main motor pushing from one side.
I have never seen it done and am not likely to, either.

Ca[t. Jeff

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

JJ wrote:

I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my
fishing boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6
inches to make room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main
motor be centered ?

Thanks
John


You should try it, oft the simplest solution does turn out to be
the best & given it will cost you nothing; try it first & see.


Ms. Smith is big on suggesting how others should waste their time.



Given your main motor is 30Hp I'm guessing the boat isn't too big
(no offense intended) & in smaller boats having the OB offset while
not exactly common is still seen regularly.


It is? Damn. I'm 60 and have been messing around with boats for more
than 50 years, and I've never seen the main outboard "offset" on a
smaller boat. Perhaps it is peculiar to Australia, where everything is a
bit peculiar.


You're a liar you've never owned a boat & never will & every time you
pretend to know about boats you come unstuck as all liars do.



Mainly used by the real boaters, like the pro fishermen who use
dories for a living. They're not too concerned with "convention" at
the marinas, just outcomes:-)


Bullship.


The Whaler catamaran brands used to be sold with a single offset OB.



Whaler catamaran brands? What brands were those?

Here's one link;

http://www.marinews.com/fibreglass/btf_1dominat4.3.htm

you lying idiot!!! These were well known years agao & performed
surprisingly well.

Lots of boats have the prop offset for good reasons & so do a few
smaller OB powered boats, but you would know any of that not being a
boater:-)

Please Krause try to stick to the OT political posts spruiking your
union, because you're positively dangerous when you pretend to be a
boater, just because the experienced boaters here know you're lying &
just giggle, it doesn't mean everyone does. Leave the boating answers to
parody Krause hey??? They're much more accurate than any lie you've ever
posted & oft really funny:-)


Karen Smith, inventor of the imaginary "Taipan" line of diesel
outboards, in an imaginary factory, via an imaginary business plan, and
and sold on eBay via an imaginary marketing program that sidesteps
dealers and distributors. And no one in Australia who deals in diesel
outboards knows of Karen Smith and her Taipan diesel outboard.



Still stalking after all these years:-) Jealous, non boating, cowardly,
dickless, sick old man.


K


& the Krause lie for the day is??........

For years this lying simpleton union organiser has denigrated the
US military in all ways.

He especially denigrates anyone who was in Vietnam because after
all "he" was against that war too.

It doesn't seem to occur to him that it's the same brave people he
denigrates that allow the likes of him to lie & BS their useless way
through life. The very same military that has prevented a repeat of 911
the worst atrocity in history??

Anyway this idiot as usual creates a lie so he can claim to have a
legitimate knowledge, he creates lies about boats he doesn't own, posts
false pics, even a jetski at one stage so he could pollute that NG for a
while.

For me it's his Vietnam lie that is especially offensive to all who
served & risked "their" lives to protect cowardly him & to those that
did much more than just risk their lives. A lowlife lying grub is our
Krause.


It's so much fun keeping pea-sized, right-wing "brains" spinning. You're
being far to analytical here, John. Just to make your day, not only was
I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the
war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at
the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you,
John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse?

--
Email sent to is never read.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:27:40 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:

JJ wrote:
I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my fishing
boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6 inches to make
room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main motor be centered ?

Thanks
John



You should try it, oft the simplest solution does turn out to be the
best & given it will cost you nothing; try it first & see.

Given your main motor is 30Hp I'm guessing the boat isn't too big (no
offense intended) & in smaller boats having the OB offset while not
exactly common is still seen regularly.

Mainly used by the real boaters, like the pro fishermen who use dories
for a living. They're not too concerned with "convention" at the
marinas, just outcomes:-)

The Whaler catamaran brands used to be sold with a single offset OB.

If your OB is tiller steered or wheel with you to one side, this means
you're biasing your weight to one side in the boat anyway, indeed you'll
notice that this means to traverse a straight course you actually need
to have the OB at a slight angle anyway to counteract the weight bias of
you to one side, the engine torque & the prop water wheel effect.

So experienced boaters who want to actually "use" a boat & have it
track easily, or want to stand & do work related things without their
weight upsetting the track too much often move the OB slightly to one
side (the engine must remain vertical, don't just tilt it sideways)

How much depends very much on the weight bias to be counteracted, the
boats beam, size, speed etc. However be a real boatie JJ & experiment
with it you'll be astounded how much extra performance you can get out
of a small boat if the motor can actually be pushing directly forward &
fun you'll have doing it:-)

I read the thread with some real disappointment because
.......................... well because as usual parody Harry (the last
one) seems to actually be a boater & actually know about boats unlike
the original Krause who is just a non boating liar, imagine that??? with
the boating experience Krause claims & he's totally unaware of offset
OBs???? Dear dear dear flat on his lying arse yet again:-)

K


& the Krause lie for the day is??........

For years this lying simpleton union organiser has denigrated the
US military in all ways.

He especially denigrates anyone who was in Vietnam because after
all "he" was against that war too.

It doesn't seem to occur to him that it's the same brave people he
denigrates that allow the likes of him to lie & BS their useless way
through life. The very same military that has prevented a repeat of 911
the worst atrocity in history??

Anyway this idiot as usual creates a lie so he can claim to have a
legitimate knowledge, he creates lies about boats he doesn't own, posts
false pics, even a jetski at one stage so he could pollute that NG for a
while.

For me it's his Vietnam lie that is especially offensive to all who
served & risked "their" lives to protect cowardly him & to those that
did much more than just risk their lives. A lowlife lying grub is our
Krause.


It's so much fun keeping pea-sized, right-wing "brains" spinning. You're
being far to analytical here, John. Just to make your day, not only was
I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the
war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at
the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you,
John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse?

--
Email sent to is never read.

One of my big treats in Vietnam was to visit the 'Aussies' at their base in Bien
Hoa, just outside Saigon. They were a great group and always willing to unload a
few beers on us 'Yanks' at their officers' club. They also had a very small Post
Exchange (PX), but it carried the best selection of cameras and lenses to be
found anywhere outside Japan.

I flew once as an observer on a US Air Force plane which was supporting (marking
targets) for an Australian B-57 Canberra bomber. We were marking a very small
(5m X 5m) shack which was a suspected ammunition storage site for the Viet Cong.
The bomber dropped three bombs. The second one landed dead center on that shed,
and the resulting explosion was astounding. Their accuracy was unreal.

Great group of folks, those 'Aussies'. We always loved visiting or working with
them.

Of course, the Canadians are great fun to visit also!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
JJ wrote:
I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my
fishing boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6
inches to make room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main
motor be centered ?

Thanks
John

You should try it, oft the simplest solution does turn out to be the best
& given it will cost you nothing; try it first & see.


I tried that once when my outboard was in the shop. I borrowed a 10hp
outboard from a friend and mounted it orver to the right on a rubber pad.
The boat steered screwy. Might be my boat though .Its just a fairly light
flatbottom skiff.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:16:28 -0700, "JJ" (ziemba) wrote:
I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my fishing
boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6 inches to make
room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main motor be centered ?

Depends on the boat and configuration of its bottom, but I would bet
you could get away with it no problem. Especially just six inches.

Many commercial oystermen and shrimpers in my area offset the
outboards on their skiffs. And literally tens of thousands of
auxilliary sailboats mount their outboards on one side or the other.
Point being, it can be done and it's commonly done. Just depends on
your particular boat's bottom.

If you have any sort of strakes and/or keel, I'd give it a try. If it
works,and it probably will, you'll have a boat with less list than
otherwise. One BIG caveat.... make absolutely sure the two props will
always remain clear of each other.

Rick

I am going to try a kicker plate that will hold my small trolling motor to
one side and leave the main motor in the center.

Thanks again for all the feedback.

--
John

Harry Krause wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

JJ wrote:

I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to
my fishing boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp
over 6 inches to make room on the transome ? or is it crutial that
this main motor be centered ?

Thanks
John


You should try it, oft the simplest solution does turn out to
be the best & given it will cost you nothing; try it first & see.





Ms. Smith is big on suggesting how others should waste their time.



Given your main motor is 30Hp I'm guessing the boat isn't too
big (no offense intended) & in smaller boats having the OB offset
while not exactly common is still seen regularly.





It is? Damn. I'm 60 and have been messing around with boats for more
than 50 years, and I've never seen the main outboard "offset" on a
smaller boat. Perhaps it is peculiar to Australia, where everything
is a bit peculiar.


You're a liar you've never owned a boat & never will & every time
you pretend to know about boats you come unstuck as all liars do.




Your internal supply of bile is pouring out your nose, Ms. Smith. I've
owned dozens of boats in my lifetime. That you have convinced yourself
otherwise is your problem, not mine.

The Whaler catamaran brands used to be sold with a single
offset OB.






Whaler catamaran brands? What brands were those?




Here's one link;

http://www.marinews.com/fibreglass/btf_1dominat4.3.htm




Ahhh. I thought you meant BOSTON Whaler, which is what most think of
when someone mentions the "Whaler" brand name. So, you are claiming
some obscure brand of catamaran outboard boat, derived from some sort
of catamaran sailboat, had an engine on one pontoon only? Sounds like
that would indeed appeal to you.


you lying idiot!!! These were well known years agao & performed
surprisingly well.



Uh-huh.



By the way, there was some line of spatterpainted outboard cats which
offered an "offset" outboard model in the USA a few years ago, but the
idea never took hold.

"Too Australian," were the comments heard.

I'm not kidding. I remember reading a test or two. The boat was
something like a Twin-Vee spatterpaint.

But for a monohull?

Absurd.




You lying idiot Krause so now you take some time do a google & find
many offset OBs & of course being the liar you are then pretend you knew
all along!!!! What a hoot it really is you uneducated lying total
idiot!!!:-)

Breathtaking lies & any real boater with the claims you make would have
mentioned all this at the time, you're just a lying union lackey idiot.

Over the years many small boats have the OB offset & if there were the
faintest of truth in your lies you would have immediately know this, you
didn't because there isn't the faintest of truth in your lies; now of
course you counter exposure with a bigger lie which is your standard BS

K

& the Krause lie for the day is an oldie but a goodie:-)

So this lying idiot sees himself as circulating in the upper
circles, honestly this lying idiot thinks this is believable, which is
more proof of his total stupidity:-)

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his
wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more
important than who was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I worked once for his father.

Offset motors are NOT unusual, except maybe on white fiberglass bathtubs
with outboards on the back. Dive boats often have offset motors to make
room for a dive door next to the motor that opens onto a swim platform. As
an example, see the first link below. Boats by this designer range in size
from 18' to 24' and are very commonly run with an offset main motor, with or
without a kicker. The designer publishes a formula for how much to raise
the motor versus how far you offset it:

http://www.fishyfish.com/bobbruce/index.html (the main is WAY offset on this
one, 24-1/2' LOA)
http://www.alaska.net/~tolmanskiffs (the designer's web site)
http://www.fishyfish.com/tolmanskiff.html (several other examples)

Brian


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

JJ wrote:

I am new to boating and am trying to add a small 6 hp outboard to my
fishing boat for trolling. Can I simply move my existing 30hp over 6
inches to make room on the transome ? or is it crutial that this main
motor be centered ?

Thanks
John


You should try it, oft the simplest solution does turn out to be
the best & given it will cost you nothing; try it first & see.




Ms. Smith is big on suggesting how others should waste their time.



Given your main motor is 30Hp I'm guessing the boat isn't too big
(no offense intended) & in smaller boats having the OB offset while
not exactly common is still seen regularly.




It is? Damn. I'm 60 and have been messing around with boats for more
than 50 years, and I've never seen the main outboard "offset" on a
smaller boat. Perhaps it is peculiar to Australia, where everything is
a bit peculiar.


You're a liar you've never owned a boat & never will & every time
you pretend to know about boats you come unstuck as all liars do.



Your internal supply of bile is pouring out your nose, Ms. Smith. I've
owned dozens of boats in my lifetime. That you have convinced yourself
otherwise is your problem, not mine.

The Whaler catamaran brands used to be sold with a single offset
OB.





Whaler catamaran brands? What brands were those?



Here's one link;

http://www.marinews.com/fibreglass/btf_1dominat4.3.htm



Ahhh. I thought you meant BOSTON Whaler, which is what most think of when
someone mentions the "Whaler" brand name. So, you are claiming some
obscure brand of catamaran outboard boat, derived from some sort of
catamaran sailboat, had an engine on one pontoon only? Sounds like that
would indeed appeal to you.


you lying idiot!!! These were well known years agao & performed
surprisingly well.


Uh-huh.



By the way, there was some line of spatterpainted outboard cats which
offered an "offset" outboard model in the USA a few years ago, but the
idea never took hold.

"Too Australian," were the comments heard.

I'm not kidding. I remember reading a test or two. The boat was something
like a Twin-Vee spatterpaint.

But for a monohull?

Absurd.




--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.