Well Harry, here is more proof that your unions have made more disasters for
the west. You show your ignorance by even mentioning Bush after this
article. It is clearly obvious that this is a result of unions and labor
here in the west. Bush has never belonged to a union, he is a conservative,
who are typically not associated with unions (of course there are some
conservatives on unions).
Teachers and unions, full blame for this.







"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Number of Mass Layoffs Rose Sharply in January
2,400 Employers Let Go 50 or More

By Kirstin Downey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 26, 2004; Page E02

More than 2,400 employers across the country reported laying off 50 or
more workers in January, the third-highest number of so-called mass
layoffs since the government became tracking them a decade ago.

Only in December 2000 and December 2002 were the number of large layoffs
higher. A total of 239,454 workers lost their jobs in the January
layoffs, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported yesterday, based on
unemployment insurance claims filed with state employment agencies.
Among them were 17,544 temporary workers.

The total jobs lost in January was the most since November 2002, when
240,171 workers were let go in groups of 50 or more. Manufacturing
workers, particularly in transportation, food processing and retail
jobs, were hardest hit. The large layoffs also included 10,876
government workers, most at the state and local levels.

January often brings pink slips for workers because many employers staff
up for the holidays and lay people off after Christmas. It's also the
end of the fiscal year for many employers, making Dec. 31 a convenient
last day for terminated workers.

The report, which helps states direct retraining funds to troubled
industries, comes as continued job losses have sparked debate in the
presidential campaign. President Bush's Democratic opponents cite the
administration's poor job-growth performance as a reason he should be
unseated. Administration officials counter that the positive stock
market performance, the uptick in manufacturing orders and improved
consumer confidence should soon translate into employment growth.

*The administration tried in late 2002 to cease publication of the mass
layoff report, citing its cost. But Congress restored funding after
state officials complained.*

(You gotta love that part...the Bush Administration figured if no one
knew...well, no one would know... HK)

California, the most populous state, had the most mass layoffs, 576,
according to the BLS data. This was followed by 194 in New York, 171 in
Michigan and 167 in Pennsylvania. In Virginia, 24 employers laid off 50
or more workers, affecting 3,061 jobs. In Maryland, 19 employers did so,
with 2,009 jobs lost. No mass layoffs occurred in the District.

"California has continued to lose jobs in recent months," including
food-processing, film production and education jobs lost to budget cuts,
said Howard Roth, chief economist for the California Department of
Finance. "Our labor market is not showing any signs of improving."

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:51:09 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Well Harry, here is more proof that your unions have made more disasters for
the west. You show your ignorance by even mentioning Bush after this
article. It is clearly obvious that this is a result of unions and labor
here in the west. Bush has never belonged to a union, he is a conservative,
who are typically not associated with unions (of course there are some
conservatives on unions).
Teachers and unions, full blame for this.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Number of Mass Layoffs Rose Sharply in January
2,400 Employers Let Go 50 or More

By Kirstin Downey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 26, 2004; Page E02

More than 2,400 employers across the country reported laying off 50 or
more workers in January, the third-highest number of so-called mass
layoffs since the government became tracking them a decade ago.
Snipped

How the hell are teachers responsible for this??

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:51:09 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Well Harry, here is more proof that your unions have made more disasters for
the west. You show your ignorance by even mentioning Bush after this
article. It is clearly obvious that this is a result of unions and labor
here in the west. Bush has never belonged to a union, he is a conservative,
who are typically not associated with unions (of course there are some
conservatives on unions).
Teachers and unions, full blame for this.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Number of Mass Layoffs Rose Sharply in January
2,400 Employers Let Go 50 or More

By Kirstin Downey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 26, 2004; Page E02

More than 2,400 employers across the country reported laying off 50 or
more workers in January, the third-highest number of so-called mass
layoffs since the government became tracking them a decade ago.
Snipped

How the hell are teachers responsible for this??

John H

I agree, just because SOME part time daycare type of substitute
teachers are dumber than their students, doesn't mean they are to
blame!

On 27 Feb 2004 10:27:49 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:51:09 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Well Harry, here is more proof that your unions have made more disasters for
the west. You show your ignorance by even mentioning Bush after this
article. It is clearly obvious that this is a result of unions and labor
here in the west. Bush has never belonged to a union, he is a conservative,
who are typically not associated with unions (of course there are some
conservatives on unions).
Teachers and unions, full blame for this.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Number of Mass Layoffs Rose Sharply in January
2,400 Employers Let Go 50 or More

By Kirstin Downey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 26, 2004; Page E02

More than 2,400 employers across the country reported laying off 50 or
more workers in January, the third-highest number of so-called mass
layoffs since the government became tracking them a decade ago.
Snipped

How the hell are teachers responsible for this??

John H

I agree, just because SOME part time daycare type of substitute
teachers are dumber than their students, doesn't mean they are to
blame!

Amen to that!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

No,, my comments are in regards to the unionized teachers in the west who
every single year strike right before exam time and have ruined so many
students education because of their own greed. Teachers here in the west are
similar to labor unions. So uncompetitive and selfish and failures.
I see it at the university levels. Domestic students are entering the
universities without being able to read or write properly. They have no
learning skills and are forcing the university system to reduce the load as
to not embarrass the students and universities with the low scores.
The international student who wishes to study in the west simply does
circles around our domestic students. Circles. Many universities now have to
separate the two students as they are at different levels. I am constantly
asked to advise students and I say the same thing,,,, finish your degrees
over there. Their education system over there in the East for example is
unbelievably better than ours. The tuition fees are what one of our text
books costs for a term and their text books are about 2 dollars Canadian.
Now,, before you say something stupid. Their text books are written by the
same publishers as here, yet our university students will pay around 125
U.S. for the exact same text book, from same publisher, looks identical yet
they will pay about 1.50 U.S. for it. Only difference is the language it is
written in.
Now, the teachers there are real, they are respected by the students, no
first name basis, no cell phones ringing in class, homework must be done and
they are not simply given A+ for attendance as they do in the west.

So, the teachers are similar here in the west to the lazy slob union
workers, same mentality and when the teachers cry,,, the students suffer,,,
forcing the west even further to an uncompetitive position globally.
Teachers in the west make around 50,000 per year, they have summers off,
they have all holidays off, and they work from say 9am to 3pm. Many spares
during the day also. Don't give me any of your **** like '"marking tests in
the evening"' give your stupid heads a shake for that one,,, or "" hours of
preparation time""' ya for smoking or drugs,,, or ""coaching a football
team''"

No,, teachers here in the west have systematically ruined the future for us
here in the west. We now have to rely on immigration for long term survival.
Just look at Canada's immigration policy for proof. Canada aims to get
500,000 immigrants every year. Canada needs this. Canada needs imputs of
knowledge, skills, technology,, and especially taxpayers. Last year Canada
only received 247,000 immigrants and this is a concern.
So at the governmental level, there is a recognition of ignorant labor here
already, unions and teachers have an effect that is visible so we are
counting on immigration to save our asses. Thanks to all you union dummies.






"John H" wrote in message
...
On 27 Feb 2004 10:27:49 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:51:09 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Well Harry, here is more proof that your unions have made more
disasters for
the west. You show your ignorance by even mentioning Bush after this
article. It is clearly obvious that this is a result of unions and
labor
here in the west. Bush has never belonged to a union, he is a
conservative,
who are typically not associated with unions (of course there are some
conservatives on unions).
Teachers and unions, full blame for this.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Number of Mass Layoffs Rose Sharply in January
2,400 Employers Let Go 50 or More

By Kirstin Downey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 26, 2004; Page E02

More than 2,400 employers across the country reported laying off 50
or
more workers in January, the third-highest number of so-called mass
layoffs since the government became tracking them a decade ago.
Snipped

How the hell are teachers responsible for this??

John H

I agree, just because SOME part time daycare type of substitute
teachers are dumber than their students, doesn't mean they are to
blame!

Amen to that!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:37:06 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

No,, my comments are in regards to the unionized teachers in the west who
every single year strike right before exam time and have ruined so many
students education because of their own greed. Teachers here in the west are
similar to labor unions. So uncompetitive and selfish and failures.
I see it at the university levels. Domestic students are entering the
universities without being able to read or write properly. They have no
learning skills and are forcing the university system to reduce the load as
to not embarrass the students and universities with the low scores.
The international student who wishes to study in the west simply does
circles around our domestic students. Circles. Many universities now have to
separate the two students as they are at different levels. I am constantly
asked to advise students and I say the same thing,,,, finish your degrees
over there. Their education system over there in the East for example is
unbelievably better than ours. The tuition fees are what one of our text
books costs for a term and their text books are about 2 dollars Canadian.
Now,, before you say something stupid. Their text books are written by the
same publishers as here, yet our university students will pay around 125
U.S. for the exact same text book, from same publisher, looks identical yet
they will pay about 1.50 U.S. for it. Only difference is the language it is
written in.
Now, the teachers there are real, they are respected by the students, no
first name basis, no cell phones ringing in class, homework must be done and
they are not simply given A+ for attendance as they do in the west.

So, the teachers are similar here in the west to the lazy slob union
workers, same mentality and when the teachers cry,,, the students suffer,,,
forcing the west even further to an uncompetitive position globally.
Teachers in the west make around 50,000 per year, they have summers off,
they have all holidays off, and they work from say 9am to 3pm. Many spares
during the day also. Don't give me any of your **** like '"marking tests in
the evening"' give your stupid heads a shake for that one,,, or "" hours of
preparation time""' ya for smoking or drugs,,, or ""coaching a football
team''"

No,, teachers here in the west have systematically ruined the future for us
here in the west. We now have to rely on immigration for long term survival.
Just look at Canada's immigration policy for proof. Canada aims to get
500,000 immigrants every year. Canada needs this. Canada needs imputs of
knowledge, skills, technology,, and especially taxpayers. Last year Canada
only received 247,000 immigrants and this is a concern.
So at the governmental level, there is a recognition of ignorant labor here
already, unions and teachers have an effect that is visible so we are
counting on immigration to save our asses. Thanks to all you union dummies.

Whew! What a rant. You seem to be strictly in a 'blame teacher' mode,
so I'm not about to address your whole post.

Teaching is *not* a 9 to 3 job.

Yes, many domestic students are entering universities without the
required abilities. Why? Why do the universities allow their entry? By
accepting students at the bottom of the heap, the universities must
either ensure the failure of the students or 'dumb down' the courses
so the students pass. Why accept the students in the first place?
Doing so simply removes any incentive for student effort in high
school.

What is there about the educational system in the East that you find
so enticing? Could it be that the students get 'tracked' into a
university or vocational track early on? Would this concept cause
parents to be interested in the educational process?

That's enough for now.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!