On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:49:35 +0000, Joe wrote:


"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after mostly
tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities.

Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it.

K

Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey innards
and bones.
They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power they
sell back to the local power company.
I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from waste, but
this isnt one of them.

Joe,

I'm not familiar with that example but certainly wouldn't just accept their
claims.

If these people take in turkeys & produce processed (lots of steam &
heat??) product out the other end, then try to claim they do it without
any energy inputs??? indeed say they have excess?? well they certainly
know how to process investor turkeys that's for su-)

These claims never ever stand up to independant examinations, yes there
are the rare times when an expensive capital intensive arrangement can
"seem" to get something for nothing, but as with everything else in life,
that just doesn't happen. Reshuffles are easy but even a small net gain is very
tricky.

The best that can be expected is a shuffling on costs (economic &
environmental) from one location/payer/class to another.

A bit like how the democrats operate, they rob risk taker hard working
paul to pay lay about liar peter, then try to claim they've increased
the whole:-)

When it happens & I agree it will, then we'll all know about it because
they'll be a rush to adopt it.

K

K. Smith wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:49:35 +0000, Joe wrote:


"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after mostly
tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities.

Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it.

K

Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey innards
and bones.
They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power they
sell back to the local power company.
I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from waste, but
this isnt one of them.

Joe,

I'm not familiar with that example but certainly wouldn't just accept their
claims.


You're actually not familiar with much of anything, but you sure try
hard to give the impression.



If these people take in turkeys & produce processed (lots of steam &
heat??) product out the other end, then try to claim they do it without
any energy inputs??? indeed say they have excess?? well they certainly
know how to process investor turkeys that's for su-)

These claims never ever stand up to independant examinations,


As a matter of fact, there are any number of turkey and chicken
processing plants that have adopted and innovated technology that allows
them to use the byproducts of the animals they slaughter as the "fuel"
to feed their energy needs.

Most of these processes are a bit more advanced technologically than
buying someone's already built diesel engine and welding or superglueing
it onto a kit-bashed outboard motor lower unit and then claiming you've
invented some new product.

There are plenty of articles available on converting the by-products of
food processing into energy. It wouldn't surprise me if some clever boys
have figured out how to generate enough for self-sufficiency.

What the hell do you *really* know, Ms. Smith? Most of what you post
reads as if you're drunk, high or just generally ****ed at how the world
has passed you by.

Your best bet would be to enroll in a a high school level course in
standard English.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:49:35 +0000, Joe wrote:


"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after
mostly
tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities.

Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it.

K

Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey
innards
and bones.
They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power
they
sell back to the local power company.
I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from
waste, but
this isnt one of them.

Joe,

I'm not familiar with that example but certainly wouldn't just accept
their
claims.

If these people take in turkeys & produce processed (lots of steam &
heat??) product out the other end, then try to claim they do it
without
any energy inputs??? indeed say they have excess?? well they
certainly
know how to process investor turkeys that's for su-)

These claims never ever stand up to independant examinations, yes
there
are the rare times when an expensive capital intensive arrangement can
"seem" to get something for nothing, but as with everything else in
life,
that just doesn't happen. Reshuffles are easy but even a small net
gain is very
tricky.

The best that can be expected is a shuffling on costs (economic &
environmental) from one location/payer/class to another.

A bit like how the democrats operate, they rob risk taker hard working
paul to pay lay about liar peter, then try to claim they've increased
the whole:-)

When it happens & I agree it will, then we'll all know about it
because
they'll be a rush to adopt it.

K

They probably take in live turkeys, and output frozen turkeys in plastic
bags. Can they make enough energy from burning the feet, heads,
feathers, guts? Hard to say.

del cecchi

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:37:19 -0600, del cecchi wrote:


They probably take in live turkeys, and output frozen turkeys in plastic
bags. Can they make enough energy from burning the feet, heads,
feathers, guts? Hard to say.

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Bu...rgy16may03.htm

Although, it's not without critics:

http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html

"thunder" wrote in message
news
Although, it's not without critics:

http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html

What the hell does this have to do with the TCP process?
This link focuses on incineration, not TCP.

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:38:02 +0000, Joe wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
news
Although, it's not without critics:

http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html

What the hell does this have to do with the TCP process?
This link focuses on incineration, not TCP.

That link was embedded on the other link's page. On further reading, the
TCP process looks interesting and promising, but it is difficult to find
information on it that doesn't have a promotional bent. Conceptually, I
can understand the process, but I am curious as to how the contaminants
are removed.

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:38:02 +0000, Joe wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
news
Although, it's not without critics:

http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html

What the hell does this have to do with the TCP process?
This link focuses on incineration, not TCP.

That link was embedded on the other link's page. On further reading, the
TCP process looks interesting and promising, but it is difficult to find
information on it that doesn't have a promotional bent.
Conceptually, I can understand the process, but I am curious as to how the
contaminants
are removed.

According to CWT's site:

Hazardous Waste-
"These are the deadliest of waste streams on our planet. In the United
States alone, over 26,000 hazardous waste sites are buried underground. TCP
is a safer and less costly way to address this waste stream, rather than the
current method of disposal, which is incineration. PCB's, dioxins, heavy
metals, pathogens, and other contaminants are destroyed in the TCP."

"TCP reforms even heavy metals into oxides that are safe and non-leachable
and pass TCLP (leaching) standards."