However credit where credit is due, so ......... I wish to take full
credit for stopping our resident deceptive spammer from posting spam
about foreign boats of dubious quality with endless references to the
"quality" "he" found, they have to say that of course because everyone
knows the history of Taiwanese boats, why anyone with enough hooch to
buy a 68ftr would buy such a thing beggers belief, but hey Gould & his
Tonto Krause begger belief with every post.

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You have now proven that you don't know squat about the Taiwan boat
building industry.

I *own* a boat built in Taiwan.

A probably majority of larger boats sold today are built in Asia,
although some builders have left Tawain for cheaper labor in other
countries. Some builders, such as Riviera, (a very good boat, imo) are
even taking advantage of the relatively cheap labor and weak currency
in Australia. Do the Aussies generally resent the Taiwan builders as
competitors?

It is very possible to build a quality boat in Taiwan, just as it is
possible to find both reasonable, intellectual, emotionally healthy
people as well as (let's just say) "others"
in Australia. In fact, the general run of Taiwanese boats has been
pretty good over the years. We have hundreds of examples of 30-year-old
Taiwan trawlers that have been sitting out in the Washington rain since
new that are still in very decent shape for their age when compared to
boats built anywhere else.

The Mainship line is notable because it is an American-built product in
a category (trawler) that is dominated by Asian imports.

Your comment about Taiwan boats is particularly funny when one realizes
that the majority of folks spouting, "Them folks in Taiwan don't know
how to build a boat!" are probably Union workers, employed at
non-Taiwanese manufacturers. So I have been wrong about you on this
point- you are willing to side with the unions and the manufacturers
providing they are GD'ing somebody else you dislike even more.

wrote:
However credit where credit is due, so ......... I wish to take full
credit for stopping our resident deceptive spammer from posting spam
about foreign boats of dubious quality with endless references to the
"quality" "he" found, they have to say that of course because everyone
knows the history of Taiwanese boats, why anyone with enough hooch to
buy a 68ftr would buy such a thing beggers belief, but hey Gould & his
Tonto Krause begger belief with every post.

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You have now proven that you don't know squat about the Taiwan boat
building industry.

I *own* a boat built in Taiwan.

Of course you do Gould yet you endless berate people of the evils of
buying Chinese toasters:-) You're just another socialist hypocrite?? yes???


A probably majority of larger boats sold today are built in Asia,
although some builders have left Tawain for cheaper labor in other
countries. Some builders, such as Riviera, (a very good boat, imo) are
even taking advantage of the relatively cheap labor and weak currency
in Australia. Do the Aussies generally resent the Taiwan builders as
competitors?

Riviera was in fact an Aus boat to start with we called them Mariners.
They're reasonable middle quality certainly better than the risks
attached to Taiwan.


It is very possible to build a quality boat in Taiwan, just as it is
possible to find both reasonable, intellectual, emotionally healthy
people as well as (let's just say) "others"
in Australia. In fact, the general run of Taiwanese boats has been
pretty good over the years. We have hundreds of examples of 30-year-old
Taiwan trawlers that have been sitting out in the Washington rain since
new that are still in very decent shape for their age when compared to
boats built anywhere else.

You clearly were still selling used cars then because I can recount
endless horror stories of Taiwanese & Hong Kong boats of that period.
It's "possible" to build a good boat anywhere, but the QA is just not
there. As for you overlooking the important fact that the 68ftr you were
attempting to spam us with was a Taiwanese boat confirms you know
exactly what you're doing as always with your deceptions, this is just
more of the same.


The Mainship line is notable because it is an American-built product in
a category (trawler) that is dominated by Asian imports.

I have no argument but equally how many times did you mention Mainship
is US built?? What percentage of the spam was devoted to repeating the
US made mantra over & over the endless virtues of a locally built boat??
yet not a single solitary word did you print about the origin when
spamming a 68 ftr from Taiwan, why???? Well it's obvious you're well
aware that Taiwanese boats are for those that want to look good at the
docks but know 2/5 of 3/8 of bugger all about boats & as proof I offer
up you.


Your comment about Taiwan boats is particularly funny when one realizes
that the majority of folks spouting, "Them folks in Taiwan don't know
how to build a boat!" are probably Union workers, employed at
non-Taiwanese manufacturers. So I have been wrong about you on this
point- you are willing to side with the unions and the manufacturers
providing they are GD'ing somebody else you dislike even more.


I don't care who builds what or where, I do care when people like you
deceive people with lies of omission as you did yet again here.

As the amounts of materials used in boat hulls has reduced over the
years it's become even more critical that proper QA is observed & this
is reflected in the used prices of various boats from all manner of
origins who have a reputation for having had some spectacular lapses of QA.

Sure someone from the white shoe brigade will always buy almost any
boat but......... there are only so many of you out there Gould & once
you bought your cheap boat then the price plummets as the number of
chumps gets progressively thinner on the ground.


K

& the Krause lie of the day is........

from what we call the "father" series, this is a sad collection of lies
about the mythical father, much the same as immature school kids make
up. The sad part is that a man in his 50s would be so ashamed of his
father's real achievements that he besmirches his memory with such
infantile lies.


My father, who died in the 1970s, was a fairly well known boating
sportsman in
the New England-New York area. He was a boat dealer and marina
operator. For
grins, he raced hydroplanes and utility outboards in the late 40's
and early
50's, and won the Albany to New York race twice and a number of other
races.
For many years, he always had the *fastest* boat on Long Island
Sound. I don't
know whether that was true, but I don't recall anyone with a faster
boat, and
he drove all over looking for them. The boat, which changed from year
to year,
was always called "Bob's Hope." Later, he drove a twin 50-hp Evinrude
powered
Swedish boat across the North Atlantic in winter as a publicity stunt
for a
line of Swedish boats he was distributing in New England. Came over
the lee of
a tanker. He owned a *lot* of boats, including a PT boat for a while
and a
DUCK.
I don't know that I have more experience with boats than anyone in
here. I've
been boating since I was about 7 or so, and that was 50 years ago.
I've owned
a *lot* of different kinds of boats.
What *you* believe is your business. Frankly, I don't give a damn.


Also of course, note the "in winter":-)

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.