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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the
rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice
from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to
a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc.
You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his own
red phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the body. To
that, I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because your friends
do something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

You never attended a wake, Doug?


Don't be a smartass. Nobody's wake merits a 24 hour wait. Nobody. Period.

Doug,
A funeral and wake is for the living, not the dead. For those standing in
line, it is worth it. What is your problem with others doing what they
want?



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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the
rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice
from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going
to a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS,
etc. You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his own
red phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the body.
To that, I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because your
friends do something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

You never attended a wake, Doug?


Don't be a smartass. Nobody's wake merits a 24 hour wait. Nobody. Period.

I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still question their
judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a dead body, but
also in contributing their time, attention, spirits and money to an
organization (the Catholic church) which, as any educated person knows, has
a reputation that's dubious, at best.


"Me" wrote in message
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Doug,
A funeral and wake is for the living, not the dead. For those standing in
line, it is worth it. What is your problem with others doing what they
want?



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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the
rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice
from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going
to a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS,
etc. You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his own
red phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the body.
To that, I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because your
friends do something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

You never attended a wake, Doug?


Don't be a smartass. Nobody's wake merits a 24 hour wait. Nobody. Period.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still question their
judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a dead body,
but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits and money to an
organization (the Catholic church) which, as any educated person knows, has
a reputation that's dubious, at best.

There are more than 1 billion people in the work that disagree with you!

The Catholic Church, along with every organized religion, have situations in
their history that wish they could forget. There have been evil people who
have tainted the reputations of every organized religion, yet the major
religions do provide excellent guidelines for personal and social
happiness.

Pope John Paul II was not perfect, but his legacy as a decent strong leader
who made a positive impact on Catholics and Non-Catholics will be
remembered.

I do not believe Doug's flame was directed at those who wait in line to see
the leader of their religion, but was a veiled barb directed at the Catholic
Church. It reminds me of those bigots who want to chastise the Islamic
Religion, due to the action of the terrorists or to call all Protestants
terrorists due to the actions of some Protestants terrorists in Northern
Ireland.



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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a dead
body, but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits and money to
an organization (the Catholic church) which, as any educated person knows,
has a reputation that's dubious, at best.

There are more than 1 billion people in the work that disagree with you!

"Me" wrote in message
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The Catholic Church, along with every organized religion, have situations
in their history that wish they could forget. There have been evil people
who have tainted the reputations of every organized religion, yet the
major religions do provide excellent guidelines for personal and social
happiness.

Even lately, the Vatican has danced when certain aspects of recent history
have been questioned.


Pope John Paul II was not perfect, but his legacy as a decent strong
leader who made a positive impact on Catholics and Non-Catholics will be
remembered.

Actually, I think he was cool. This is not about him personally. I'm
especially amazed at much of what he did while still in Poland, and I wish
Martin Luther King had been around to see it. The two of them would've seen
eye to eye, as far as resisting evil and embarrassing those who believe
they're powerful.

However, you might want to think about this: Popes believe (loosely,
perhaps) that they have a special relationship or connection to god. So do
the emperor of Japan and the Dalai Lama. How do you feel about this?
Now....how do you feel about "civilians" who think god talks to them? What
if your wife says the same thing? How about an odd looking homeless person
ranting on a street corner? If you believe every religious person has the
same ability to communicate with god, then logically, you cannot point to
the pope as someone special. He's no different than the guy with the biggest
funny hat at an Elks club. He just got lucky.

Doug,

I have no problem with the Dali Lama, The Emperor of Japan, or the lunatic
on the street communicating with God. Except for the lunatic, they will
have a large number of people waiting in line to "pay their respects".

The institution of the Papal Office has enormous power, the same as "the
bully pulpit" of the US presidency. The way the person handles the power
will determine their legacy.

I disagreed with many of the policies of Bill Clinton, but when he dies he
will have many people standing in line "to pay their respects". While
Clinton was not perfect, he tried to the best of his ability to make the US
and the world a better place. 50% of American's endorsed his agenda. I am
glad that our leaders are remembered for their contributions and efforts to
improve society.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Me" wrote in message
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The Catholic Church, along with every organized religion, have situations
in their history that wish they could forget. There have been evil
people who have tainted the reputations of every organized religion, yet
the major religions do provide excellent guidelines for personal and
social happiness.

Even lately, the Vatican has danced when certain aspects of recent history
have been questioned.


Pope John Paul II was not perfect, but his legacy as a decent strong
leader who made a positive impact on Catholics and Non-Catholics will be
remembered.

Actually, I think he was cool. This is not about him personally. I'm
especially amazed at much of what he did while still in Poland, and I wish
Martin Luther King had been around to see it. The two of them would've
seen eye to eye, as far as resisting evil and embarrassing those who
believe they're powerful.

However, you might want to think about this: Popes believe (loosely,
perhaps) that they have a special relationship or connection to god. So do
the emperor of Japan and the Dalai Lama. How do you feel about this?
Now....how do you feel about "civilians" who think god talks to them? What
if your wife says the same thing? How about an odd looking homeless person
ranting on a street corner? If you believe every religious person has the
same ability to communicate with god, then logically, you cannot point to
the pope as someone special. He's no different than the guy with the
biggest funny hat at an Elks club. He just got lucky.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still question their
judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a dead body,
but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits and money to an
organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's dubious, at
best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree with you.
The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the last couple of
centuries.




"Me" wrote in message
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Doug,
A funeral and wake is for the living, not the dead. For those standing
in line, it is worth it. What is your problem with others doing what
they want?



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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method
of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or
her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the
rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice
from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going
to a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS,
etc. You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his
own red phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the
body. To that, I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because
your friends do something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

You never attended a wake, Doug?


Don't be a smartass. Nobody's wake merits a 24 hour wait. Nobody.
Period.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a dead
body, but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits and money to
an organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's dubious, at
best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree with you.
The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the last couple of
centuries.

Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already had a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a dead
body, but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits and money
to an organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's dubious, at
best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree with
you. The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the last
couple of centuries.

Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already had a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

Example?