"John H" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:09:10 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:01:40 -0400, John H wrote:


If the couple are married, Doug, then the Catholic Church has no
problems
with oral sex.

Huh? When did the Catholic Church repeal Humanae Vitae? AFAIK, oral sex
is considered a form of contraception. Oral stimulation leading to sexual
intercourse is a different matter.

In the eyes of the Church, 'intent' reigns. If one is engaging in oral sex
with
the specific intent of preventing procreation, then the Church would
consider it
wrong.

If the intent of the oral sex is mutual stimulation, an expression of
love, a
desire to try something new, or any other reason, except as mentioned
above,
then it is not wrong - for a man and wife.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."



With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with birth
control during a woman's period.

Are you Catholic?

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



Are you Catholic?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with
birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



You are perhaps correct. And I should have said that abstention from sex
prior to a woman's period is the Church's idea of birth control.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:09:10 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:01:40 -0400, John H wrote:


If the couple are married, Doug, then the Catholic Church has no
problems
with oral sex.

Huh? When did the Catholic Church repeal Humanae Vitae? AFAIK, oral sex
is considered a form of contraception. Oral stimulation leading to sexual
intercourse is a different matter.

In the eyes of the Church, 'intent' reigns. If one is engaging in oral sex
with
the specific intent of preventing procreation, then the Church would
consider it
wrong.

If the intent of the oral sex is mutual stimulation, an expression of
love, a
desire to try something new, or any other reason, except as mentioned
above,
then it is not wrong - for a man and wife.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."



With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with birth
control during a woman's period.

Are you Catholic?


With respect JimH, the Catholic Church most certainly condones any sexual act
between a man and a wife as long as the specific intent is *not* to prevent
procreation.

Yes, I am Catholic and have spent several hours discussing this very matter with
priests who were my teachers.

Now, I'll admit that these talks occurred many years ago, but I don't think the
Church has changed with regard to what is legitimate between a man and a wife.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:03:37 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



Are you Catholic?

Thunder, you are correct.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:12:43 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with
birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



You are perhaps correct. And I should have said that abstention from sex
prior to a woman's period is the Church's idea of birth control.


The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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with birth control during a woman's period.

Huh?

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:12:43 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with
birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that
sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't
believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's
fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



You are perhaps correct. And I should have said that abstention from sex
prior to a woman's period is the Church's idea of birth control.


The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Do you know what they call Catholics who practice the rhythm method?
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Parents.

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with birth control during a woman's period.

Huh?



A brain fart....I meant to say that abstention from sex prior to a woman's
period is the Church's idea of birth control.

Sorry.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:12:43 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with
birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that
sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't
believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's
fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



You are perhaps correct. And I should have said that abstention from sex
prior to a woman's period is the Church's idea of birth control.


The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?