On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:33:26 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:

Tom,
I agree that we should all be reasonable and polite. I have a hard time
understanding why so many what to be rude and unreasonable. How can anyone
expect to change someone's opinion by first alienating them. Politeness is
the grease of civilization. I don't have a problem when someone else's
opinion differs from mine, others can't seem to accept this.
Paul

10-4. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"Fisherman are born honest, but they get
over it." - Ed Zern

E. Clampus Vitas?

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:11:37 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

E. Clampus Vitas?

Wiley E. Coyote?



Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"Fisherman are born honest, but they get
over it." - Ed Zern

John H wrote in message . ..
On 19 Feb 2004 04:14:24 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 18 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant
Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented
them?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps!

I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything
else, didn't he?

Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT

You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's
been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the
internet.

You have no evidence of my personal and/or political philosophy thus
the "rightie" label is not only uncalled for, it is completely and
totally inaccurate.

On to your second comment:

Al Gore said, and this is the exact quote:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."

Now read that anyway you want - it can be parsed several ways, but the
claim is that HE - Al Gore - singlehandedly "INITIATED the CREATION of
the Internet".

Now, lets' examine two words here - Initated: "To introduce by a first
act; to make a beginning with; to set afoot; to originate; to
commence; to begin or enter upon." Invented: "To discover, as by
study or inquiry; to find out; to devise; to contrive or produce for
the first time; -- applied commonly to the discovery of some
serviceable mode, instrument, or machine."

Oh hell, let's examine one more word - Creation: "An original product
of human invention or artistic imagination."

One can reasonably argue that Initiated, Invented and Creation have
relatively the same context - in short, to set in motion the creation
of something; an idea, a concept, a manufacture of some sort.

I'm sure you, being an astute and self-aware Protoctista, can
understand how the original quote morphed into the popular electoral
folk tale of "Al Gore Invented the Internet" because, parsed seven
different ways from Sunday, that is exactly what he said whether he
intended to or not.

In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al
Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have
personal knowledge of, they deny.

Now, to give Al Gore some credit, he was the first Congressman to use
a computer to distill facts and use mid/late-'70s technology to
prioritize that which would be quantified with a comuter. So he was
way ahead of the curve on that front.

However, the context of his statement about "...initiating" the
Internet morphed into popular lore as "invented" and that's the way it
is. If you don't like it, then tough.

Go do your knee jerking with somebody else - I'm not interested.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"Fisherman are born honest, but they get
over it." - Ed Zern

You analogy is flawed beyond belief. It's one of the worst cases of
spin I've ever seen. "Initiated the creating of" is no where near "I
invented". Someone could easily initiate someone else, as opposed to
"I".

basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with
saying, "I agree with what Harry said."

John H

And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue?

basskisser wrote:

basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with
saying, "I agree with what Harry said."

John H

And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue?

Mine too. The democratic party needs more dumbasses like yourself.

-- Charlie


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Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:

basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with
saying, "I agree with what Harry said."

John H

And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue?

Mine too. The democratic party needs more dumbasses like yourself.

-- Charlie
Haahaa!!! that is TOO funny!! I jest about John's take ON THE ISSUE,
in which he has given nothing of substance, clearly, and you AGREE!!!!
Then have the audacity to call me dumb!!!!

On 20 Feb 2004 04:20:07 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

John H wrote in message . ..
On 19 Feb 2004 04:14:24 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 18 Feb 2004 05:12:01 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:33:13 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:24:07 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

While working on the engine, I was once again impressed by the Elegant
Simplicity of the lowly hose clamp. They just work. Anybody know who invented
them?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - MANY hose clamps!

I'd probably give the credit to Al Gore. He invented most everything
else, didn't he?

Nah - just the Internet and Erich Segal. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT

You righties are so blind that you don't understand, even after it's
been beaten to death, that Al Gore NEVER said he invented the
internet.

You have no evidence of my personal and/or political philosophy thus
the "rightie" label is not only uncalled for, it is completely and
totally inaccurate.

On to your second comment:

Al Gore said, and this is the exact quote:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."

Now read that anyway you want - it can be parsed several ways, but the
claim is that HE - Al Gore - singlehandedly "INITIATED the CREATION of
the Internet".

Now, lets' examine two words here - Initated: "To introduce by a first
act; to make a beginning with; to set afoot; to originate; to
commence; to begin or enter upon." Invented: "To discover, as by
study or inquiry; to find out; to devise; to contrive or produce for
the first time; -- applied commonly to the discovery of some
serviceable mode, instrument, or machine."

Oh hell, let's examine one more word - Creation: "An original product
of human invention or artistic imagination."

One can reasonably argue that Initiated, Invented and Creation have
relatively the same context - in short, to set in motion the creation
of something; an idea, a concept, a manufacture of some sort.

I'm sure you, being an astute and self-aware Protoctista, can
understand how the original quote morphed into the popular electoral
folk tale of "Al Gore Invented the Internet" because, parsed seven
different ways from Sunday, that is exactly what he said whether he
intended to or not.

In essence, the contributions of Cerf and Kahn were instigated by Al
Gore according to Al Gore. Which, I have seen reported but do not have
personal knowledge of, they deny.

Now, to give Al Gore some credit, he was the first Congressman to use
a computer to distill facts and use mid/late-'70s technology to
prioritize that which would be quantified with a comuter. So he was
way ahead of the curve on that front.

However, the context of his statement about "...initiating" the
Internet morphed into popular lore as "invented" and that's the way it
is. If you don't like it, then tough.

Go do your knee jerking with somebody else - I'm not interested.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"Fisherman are born honest, but they get
over it." - Ed Zern

You analogy is flawed beyond belief. It's one of the worst cases of
spin I've ever seen. "Initiated the creating of" is no where near "I
invented". Someone could easily initiate someone else, as opposed to
"I".

basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with
saying, "I agree with what Harry said."

John H

And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue?

Is that what Harry would have said? Remember, always ask yourself,
"WWHD?"

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

basskisser wrote:

Haahaa!!! that is TOO funny!! I jest about John's take ON THE ISSUE,
in which he has given nothing of substance, clearly, and you AGREE!!!!
Then have the audacity to call me dumb!!!!

No audacity involved at all. Just the observation that you're an idiot.

You can't read with comprehension nor express yourself accurately.

-- Charlie


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Charles wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:

Haahaa!!! that is TOO funny!! I jest about John's take ON THE ISSUE,
in which he has given nothing of substance, clearly, and you AGREE!!!!
Then have the audacity to call me dumb!!!!

No audacity involved at all. Just the observation that you're an idiot.

You can't read with comprehension nor express yourself accurately.

-- Charlie

Again, I rest my case, and thank you for making it easy and obvious!

John H wrote in message
basskisser, you are arguing *way* out of your league. Stick with
saying, "I agree with what Harry said."

John H

And I suppose that is YOUR take on the issue?

Is that what Harry would have said? Remember, always ask yourself,
"WWHD?"

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Your stupidity is shining brightly, John. Have you gotten that nice
lady's name yet? I'm really interested in talking with her.