NOYB wrote:

I dunno about al-Qaeda...but Kerry is reaching out to the Iranians for their
support. I guess he figures that if Iran sends enough insurgents into Iraq
to bloody enough of our troops, then our country will elect him to deal with
the problem.

Please quote the part of Kerry's message that encourages "Iranian
insurgents" to attack our troops.

... What a scumbag.

I agree. You must be pretty hard up to believe any lie and repeat all
slander from BushCo. Once the brain starts to atrophy, it's difficult to
reverse...

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

I dunno about al-Qaeda...but Kerry is reaching out to the Iranians for
their
support. I guess he figures that if Iran sends enough insurgents into
Iraq
to bloody enough of our troops, then our country will elect him to deal
with
the problem.

Please quote the part of Kerry's message that encourages "Iranian
insurgents" to attack our troops.

Are you being intentionally obtuse? It's no secret that Bush has been
putting the heat on Iran. We have 125,000 troops on their Western
border...and air bases on their Eastern border. There's a distinct
possibility that those troops will be used against Iran should Bush be
reelected. The Iranians know that. Kerry's own email has stated his
administration would "strive to overcome tensions with others". In other
words, he'd go back to the way things were before...when Libya was
developing WMD's, Saddam was developing missiles to strike Israel, and Iran
was very actively pursuing a nuclear program.





... What a scumbag.

I agree. You must be pretty hard up to believe any lie and repeat all
slander from BushCo. Once the brain starts to atrophy, it's difficult to
reverse...

DSK

Please quote the part of Kerry's message that encourages "Iranian
insurgents" to attack our troops.


NOYB wrote:
Are you being intentionally obtuse? It's no secret that Bush has been
putting the heat on Iran.


I am not "obtuse" at all, however I do not see public disagreement with
BushCo as "treason." Obviously, you do. I thought GW Bush was President,
not Fuhrer.


... Kerry's own email has stated his
administration would "strive to overcome tensions with others". In other
words, he'd go back to the way things were before...when Libya was
developing WMD's, Saddam was developing missiles to strike Israel, and Iran
was very actively pursuing a nuclear program.

Hardly.

First of all, Saddam's "missiles to strike Israel" are every bit as much
a fantasy as his WMD's. Secondly, Iran is *still* pursuing a nuclear
weapons capability (or at least, as much of a one as they can afford)and
the Bush team is doing little or nothing to stop them... kinda like
North Korea...


In other words, you are mindlessly spouting any and all BushCo
propaganda, no matter how slanderous, stupid, and blatantly untrue.

If the Bush worshippers keep hitting this "dissent equals treason"
button hard enough, they'll be out on their ear come November. Americans
don't like being pushed around. OTOH, maybe that's BushCo's plan... get
installed by the Supreme Court for a 2nd term, no matter what the
electorate decides, only maybe this time they will install him for
life... and change his title...

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Please quote the part of Kerry's message that encourages "Iranian
insurgents" to attack our troops.


NOYB wrote:
Are you being intentionally obtuse? It's no secret that Bush has been
putting the heat on Iran.


I am not "obtuse" at all, however I do not see public disagreement with
BushCo as "treason." Obviously, you do. I thought GW Bush was President,
not Fuhrer.

You can publically disagree with Bush all you want. However, when you're a
US Senator, and you start sending emails to the intelligence communities of
enemy nations...emails that have the intent of undermining the authority of
the incumbent President...then you're a traitor.






... Kerry's own email has stated his
administration would "strive to overcome tensions with others". In
other
words, he'd go back to the way things were before...when Libya was
developing WMD's, Saddam was developing missiles to strike Israel, and
Iran
was very actively pursuing a nuclear program.

Hardly.

First of all, Saddam's "missiles to strike Israel" are every bit as much
a fantasy as his WMD's.

Kay's report said that they had several missiles and missile programs that
were in violation of UN Res. 1441. In fact, Kay said they were much more
advanced in that area than we once thought.


Secondly, Iran is *still* pursuing a nuclear
weapons capability (or at least, as much of a one as they can afford)and
the Bush team is doing little or nothing to stop them...

You just right along and keep believing that they're doing nothing...
Iran is in our cross-hairs. Bet on it. We wouldn't have troops stationed
on their Western and Eastern borders if Bush didn't mean business.


kinda like
North Korea...

N. Korea was a situation where diplomacy (via China) has kept them at
bay...for now.



In other words, you are mindlessly spouting any and all BushCo
propaganda, no matter how slanderous, stupid, and blatantly untrue.

If the Bush worshippers keep hitting this "dissent equals treason"
button hard enough, they'll be out on their ear come November. Americans
don't like being pushed around. OTOH, maybe that's BushCo's plan... get
installed by the Supreme Court for a 2nd term, no matter what the
electorate decides, only maybe this time they will install him for
life... and change his title...

NOYB wrote:
You can publically disagree with Bush all you want.

I can, but you apparently cannot

.... However, when you're a
US Senator, and you start sending emails to the intelligence communities of
enemy nations...emails that have the intent of undermining the authority of
the incumbent President...then you're a traitor.

Possibly so, did anybody do that?

The Kerry email that you quoted was 1- sent to news agencies 2- did not
have any intent of "undermining the authority of the incumbent President."

Looking at naked facts is apparently too embarrassing for your morality
& ethics...

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
You can publically disagree with Bush all you want.

I can, but you apparently cannot

.... However, when you're a
US Senator, and you start sending emails to the intelligence communities
of
enemy nations...emails that have the intent of undermining the authority
of
the incumbent President...then you're a traitor.

Possibly so, did anybody do that?

The Kerry email that you quoted was 1- sent to news agencies 2- did not
have any intent of "undermining the authority of the incumbent President."

Sure it did.

These are precisely the type of ones you use to undermine a leader:

'The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of
important international initiatives"

"actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the past
three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both
parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships at
risk."

"restore our country's credibility in the eyes of the world"

" repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so
damaged in the past few years"

"overcome tensions with others"

As a senator, he has no right to screw with our country's foreign policy.
If he wants to voice his concerns on the Senate floor, then that's his
right...and his responsibility. But to do it through an email to a foreign
news agency is traitorous.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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These are precisely the type of ones you use to undermine a leader:

Some policies NEED to be undermined.


'The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of
important international initiatives"

"actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the
past
three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both
parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships
at
risk."

"restore our country's credibility in the eyes of the world"

" repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so
damaged in the past few years"

"overcome tensions with others"

These are all positive goals. Why do you have a problem with them?


As a senator, he has no right to screw with our country's foreign policy.
If he wants to voice his concerns on the Senate floor, then that's his
right...and his responsibility. But to do it through an email to a
foreign
news agency is traitorous.

It's about time.

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:44:31 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

is traitorous.

Now we've finally gotten to the bottom of this. He's charged as being
a traitor. Interesting the staunchest Bush supporters have put the
traitor label on all who didn't support the administrations policies
and methods. It certainly can't be any big surprise your crowd is
trying to pin the label on Kerry, now that he looks like the likely
democratic candidate. Anyone who dared run against Bush would have
quickly been labeled a traitor.

bb

The Kerry email that you quoted was 1- sent to news agencies 2- did not
have any intent of "undermining the authority of the incumbent President."



NOYB wrote:
Sure it did.

Sorry, it is obvious that you're in full BushCo propaganda parrot mode.
However I stick around one more post to deflate your claims


These are precisely the type of ones you use to undermine a leader:

'The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of
important international initiatives"

That is stating a very obvious fact... pretty much in the exact words
used by either Bush or Cheney at one time or another. In other words,
Dick Cheney can announce that the US will act unilaterally and rejects
other nations initiatives, but Kerry cannot say they have done so....
very nice...



As a senator, he has no right to screw with our country's foreign policy.

But as a Presidential candidate, he has every right to announce what his
future policy goals will be... which is what he has done.

In other words, you're just mindlessly carping about Kerry because he's
not Bush... gee what agenda do you have in mind?



If he wants to voice his concerns on the Senate floor, then that's his
right...and his responsibility. But to do it through an email to a foreign
news agency is traitorous.

But wait, first you said he sent this email to 'foreign intelligence
agencies' and now it's just plain news? In other words, you are lying
out your butt to try and make Kerry look bad?

Good thing you didn't have any credibility to start with, NOBBY, because
you would have just shredded it

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..


I am not "obtuse" at all, however I do not see public disagreement with
BushCo as "treason." Obviously, you do. I thought GW Bush was President,
not Fuhrer.


Not fuhrer, either. Try "deity".