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Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:50:19 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

I like the cowl styling - very nice looking.

The shark logo is pretty nifty too.

Hmmmm - I wonder if I need two new 250s for my Contender? :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

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so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

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Clams Canino wrote:

Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W



A straight six, but unlike the old days...wow.

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Ya, I don't even consider it a distant relative of my "chosen species".
Well, except perhaps for the high redline.

-W

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A straight six, but unlike the old days...wow.

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Clams Canino wrote:

Ya, I don't even consider it a distant relative of my "chosen species".
Well, except perhaps for the high redline.

-W

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A straight six, but unlike the old days...wow.

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Well, I hope to see them out on the Bay this summer, and maybe latch
onto a demo ride if I can. I'd be interested in hearing if the
supercharger adds to the noise level in an interesting way.

If I ever upgrade the engine on Yo Ho, though, it'll be to a 300 hp
unit. There was a Yamaha factory rep at the fishing seminar I attended
last weekend who told me such an engine probably would be available in
three years. I suspect Merc will have 300 hp, too. That's about right
for me, because I like to get rid of outboards as the warranty expires.
I'd like to get my 30 mph cruise engine setting down to around 4000 rpm.

I'll bet these new engines have two to three times as many parts as your
chosen species...

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Yamaha currently has a 300HP DFI. They also have the 150 4 strokes for twin
installations. That's the direction I'm heading at the moment since I have to
consider the benefit of twins for trips to the Bahamas.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:
Clams Canino wrote:


Ya, I don't even consider it a distant relative of my "chosen species".
Well, except perhaps for the high redline.

-W

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A straight six, but unlike the old days...wow.

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Well, I hope to see them out on the Bay this summer, and maybe latch
onto a demo ride if I can. I'd be interested in hearing if the
supercharger adds to the noise level in an interesting way.

If I ever upgrade the engine on Yo Ho, though, it'll be to a 300 hp
unit. There was a Yamaha factory rep at the fishing seminar I attended
last weekend who told me such an engine probably would be available in
three years. I suspect Merc will have 300 hp, too. That's about right
for me, because I like to get rid of outboards as the warranty expires.
I'd like to get my 30 mph cruise engine setting down to around 4000 rpm.

I'll bet these new engines have two to three times as many parts as your
chosen species...

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Dan Krueger wrote:

Yamaha currently has a 300HP DFI. They also have the 150 4 strokes for twin
installations. That's the direction I'm heading at the moment since I have to
consider the benefit of twins for trips to the Bahamas.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:


Yeah, I tried to get a pair of Merc 150 Optis on my Parker, but the
factory wouldn't sell that model boat without Yamaha engines, so I got
the Yamaha F225. It's a fine engine, and does drive the boat well at
good cruising speeds. But I'd probably go for twins if I were
outboarding to the Bamahas regularly. Where I do most of my boating
these days, I can see both the eastern and western shorelines and I have
yet to be out of VHF or cell range.





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I suspect Merc will have 300 hp, too. That's about right
for me,

See this:

http://www.mercurymarine.com/pro_max_300x


-W

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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:30:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:

Ya, I don't even consider it a distant relative of my "chosen species".
Well, except perhaps for the high redline.

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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A straight six, but unlike the old days...wow.

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Well, I hope to see them out on the Bay this summer, and maybe latch
onto a demo ride if I can. I'd be interested in hearing if the
supercharger adds to the noise level in an interesting way.

I knew somebody who knew somebody etc., at the Miami Boat show and got
a ride on a Hydrosport set up with a "mystery" Merc - it was probably
one of these - the time line is right.

Very impressive and VERY quiet.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
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so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

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That will certainly make some marina mechanics very happy. "You bought the
supercharged one? ...come right in"
;)

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All we know is that it's a DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder, inline six. Could be
a take off on any Jap motorcycle design, or it could be a ground up block.
shrug

Before you sell it short, give it a chance. Overall, Mercury has a pretty
good track record. It'll take a little time to see how this critter works
out in the real world. One thing I know, they usually do pretty extensive
field testing before a rollout.

-W


"Sir Spamalot" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:50:19 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W



Oh christ, just what we need; a "supercharged" outboard. These
Mercury folks are really getting desperate, and have pulled all of the
technology "punches" to get attention.

This may well be the last nail in the coffin for Mercury.

I wonder who's block they are using? Hope it's not GM. Or
Diamler-Chrysler. Or Ford. Anyone know? Anyone have any other tech
info, other than the virtually useless info that's already been
written by the marketeers?

It'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out.


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BS. K. hasn't predicted their demise so they will be just fine...

Dan


Sir Spamalot wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:50:19 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:


Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W




Oh christ, just what we need; a "supercharged" outboard. These
Mercury folks are really getting desperate, and have pulled all of the
technology "punches" to get attention.

This may well be the last nail in the coffin for Mercury.

I wonder who's block they are using? Hope it's not GM. Or
Diamler-Chrysler. Or Ford. Anyone know? Anyone have any other tech
info, other than the virtually useless info that's already been
written by the marketeers?

It'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out.


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Weren't Yamaha twin 115 4 strokes an option? They would be slower due to their
weight but twins nonetheless...

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


Yamaha currently has a 300HP DFI. They also have the 150 4 strokes for twin
installations. That's the direction I'm heading at the moment since I have to
consider the benefit of twins for trips to the Bahamas.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:



Yeah, I tried to get a pair of Merc 150 Optis on my Parker, but the
factory wouldn't sell that model boat without Yamaha engines, so I got
the Yamaha F225. It's a fine engine, and does drive the boat well at
good cruising speeds. But I'd probably go for twins if I were
outboarding to the Bamahas regularly. Where I do most of my boating
these days, I can see both the eastern and western shorelines and I have
yet to be out of VHF or cell range.

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Dan Krueger wrote:
BS. K. hasn't predicted their demise so they will be just fine...

Dan


Sir Spamalot wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:50:19 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:


Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W




Oh christ, just what we need; a "supercharged" outboard. These
Mercury folks are really getting desperate, and have pulled all of the
technology "punches" to get attention.

This may well be the last nail in the coffin for Mercury.

I wonder who's block they are using? Hope it's not GM. Or
Diamler-Chrysler. Or Ford. Anyone know? Anyone have any other tech
info, other than the virtually useless info that's already been
written by the marketeers?

It'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out.


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& she won't if they're "based" on that 270 HP 6cyl GM engine which I
think they are.

4 stroke ?? big tick

multi cam multi valve?? more ticks

Tried & proven injection systems?? ticks again

supercharged ?? maybe not a tick but GM have been supercharging their 6
cyl engines for a while with success so certainly not a cross.

The comments here are that the only prob will be the way they've stood
it on it's end & effectively dry sumped it, & that's probably been
supervised by GM anyway

K

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Dan Krueger wrote:
Weren't Yamaha twin 115 4 strokes an option? They would be slower due to their
weight but twins nonetheless...

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


Yamaha currently has a 300HP DFI. They also have the 150 4 strokes for twin
installations. That's the direction I'm heading at the moment since I have to
consider the benefit of twins for trips to the Bahamas.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:



Yeah, I tried to get a pair of Merc 150 Optis on my Parker, but the
factory wouldn't sell that model boat without Yamaha engines, so I got
the Yamaha F225. It's a fine engine, and does drive the boat well at
good cruising speeds. But I'd probably go for twins if I were
outboarding to the Bamahas regularly. Where I do most of my boating
these days, I can see both the eastern and western shorelines and I have
yet to be out of VHF or cell range.








Not enough power, Dan. The F225 is right on the edge of "underpowered,"
at least in my opinion, and two 115s would not have performed as well
because of the extra drag and a little more weight. I get 39 mph at WOT,
and can cruise at 30 mph, which is just about enough. But a 300 hp four
stroke would give me that 30 mph cruise at less than 4500 rpm, which is
what I have to run now to get it.


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"K Smith" wrote in message
...
snip
The comments here are that the only prob will be the way they've stood
it on it's end & effectively dry sumped it, & that's probably been
supervised by GM anyway

K

Motorcycles and others have been dry sumped for years. Not exactly
rocket science.

del cecchi

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As far as I know all outboards are "stood on end" (crankshaft needs to point
down). Seems like all the 4 strokes would need dry sump or a weird oil pan.


"K Smith" wrote in message
...
Dan Krueger wrote:
BS. K. hasn't predicted their demise so they will be just fine...

Dan


Sir Spamalot wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:50:19 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:


Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W




Oh christ, just what we need; a "supercharged" outboard. These
Mercury folks are really getting desperate, and have pulled all of the
technology "punches" to get attention.

This may well be the last nail in the coffin for Mercury.

I wonder who's block they are using? Hope it's not GM. Or
Diamler-Chrysler. Or Ford. Anyone know? Anyone have any other tech
info, other than the virtually useless info that's already been
written by the marketeers?

It'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out.


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& she won't if they're "based" on that 270 HP 6cyl GM engine which I
think they are.

4 stroke ?? big tick

multi cam multi valve?? more ticks

Tried & proven injection systems?? ticks again

supercharged ?? maybe not a tick but GM have been supercharging their 6
cyl engines for a while with success so certainly not a cross.

The comments here are that the only prob will be the way they've stood
it on it's end & effectively dry sumped it, & that's probably been
supervised by GM anyway

K

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"Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!

Thats 80 lbs more then a 4 stroke Suzuki/Johnson 225/250 or Yammy/Merc
225, over a 100 lbs more then a Yammy 250 HPDI, and 200 lbs more the
then just about any Carbed or EFI 2-stroke outboard already hanging on
the back of most boats a few years old or more.

FishFan

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On 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 -0800, (FishFan) wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!

Thats 80 lbs more then a 4 stroke Suzuki/Johnson 225/250 or Yammy/Merc
225, over a 100 lbs more then a Yammy 250 HPDI, and 200 lbs more the
then just about any Carbed or EFI 2-stroke outboard already hanging on
the back of most boats a few years old or more.

Who cares - the logo is KEWL!!!!!

;)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

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over it." - Ed Zern

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del cecchi wrote:
"K Smith" wrote in message
...
snip

The comments here are that the only prob will be the way they've stood
it on it's end & effectively dry sumped it, & that's probably been
supervised by GM anyway

K


Motorcycles and others have been dry sumped for years. Not exactly
rocket science.

del cecchi



NO but we have tried it a bit & there can be "issues", some of the
japanese engines have the oil pump at the front main bearing, so they
don't prime too well. Of course a separate pump would be an easy enough
solution or just good non return valving.

Alas running oxidisation under pressure in a closed chamber "is" rocket
science, but if it really is that engine then the mixtures etc will all
be "normal". You expect this from me:-)

K

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Bill Sc wrote:
As far as I know all outboards are "stood on end" (crankshaft needs to point
down). Seems like all the 4 strokes would need dry sump or a weird oil pan.

Not "quite" all :-) But yes agreed. However "if" & it's still an if, it
is based on that GM engine then there would be some things to be
addressed, not just moving the oil pickup & having the "sump" at the bottom.

K


"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Dan Krueger wrote:

BS. K. hasn't predicted their demise so they will be just fine...

Dan


Sir Spamalot wrote:


On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:50:19 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:



Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W




Oh christ, just what we need; a "supercharged" outboard. These
Mercury folks are really getting desperate, and have pulled all of the
technology "punches" to get attention.

This may well be the last nail in the coffin for Mercury.

I wonder who's block they are using? Hope it's not GM. Or
Diamler-Chrysler. Or Ford. Anyone know? Anyone have any other tech
info, other than the virtually useless info that's already been
written by the marketeers?

It'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out.


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& she won't if they're "based" on that 270 HP 6cyl GM engine which I
think they are.

4 stroke ?? big tick

multi cam multi valve?? more ticks

Tried & proven injection systems?? ticks again

supercharged ?? maybe not a tick but GM have been supercharging their 6
cyl engines for a while with success so certainly not a cross.

The comments here are that the only prob will be the way they've stood
it on it's end & effectively dry sumped it, & that's probably been
supervised by GM anyway

K

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I suspect they actually thought
about the dry sump issue and were able to engineer something without
making a phone call to Australia.

Maybe the oil flows the "other" way there.
I heard the toilets flush to the left there.
:)

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!


In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8)

Lloyd

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!


In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8)

Lloyd

(and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC !

Lloyd

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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:


Bill Sc wrote:

As far as I know all outboards are "stood on end" (crankshaft needs to point
down). Seems like all the 4 strokes would need dry sump or a weird oil pan.

Not "quite" all :-) But yes agreed. However "if" & it's still an if, it
is based on that GM engine then there would be some things to be
addressed, not just moving the oil pickup & having the "sump" at the bottom.

K


Why don't you just list in standard English

Gotta love it an totally uneducated union spruiker yank asking for
standard English!!! what a hoot from the liar:-)

all of the "some things to
be addressed," and we'll ask Mercury.

Well the early hondas had a few problems with cam sealing, the top
wasn't getting enough & the bottom too much so seals didn't just fail
but at the top particularly cut into the shaft by being too dry.

Already mentioned the loss of prime thing but that's probably OK now

Some of the early 4 strokes tended to corrode out what is effectively
the sump. (hot salt water being blasted by exhaust seems the eat through
very quickly)

In my case being a diesel the concerns were about oil getting past the
rings into the chamber, always a serious thing in diesels. They have oil
sprayers under the pistons so there's always plenty there.

With the cyls to stern if a boat were very stern low trimmed at rest (as
many OB craft are let alone with well over 600lbs of diesel OB
attached:-)) then they were worried residual lube oil might get flowed
"down" into the chambers.

Well as I said under the tutelage of GM they should be pretty right, but
as we all now know they were pretty hopeless when it came to Optimax &
gees louise that was the Aussies:-)

All this is predicated upon them using that particular GM block as the
base engine, given the weight etc it seems likely?? Anyone confirm??


I suspect they actually thought
about the dry sump issue and were able to engineer something without
making a phone call to Australia.

Or do you believe they ignored that issue?

K

So I'll cut it down to just Harry's lie for the day??? This was one of
the lobster boat posts, when he posted for 18 mths about how he was
buying this or that, what a load of BS!!!!

"Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm
especially interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a
lot of experience with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've
dismissed getting a Cat 3208 TA because the technology is so old and
because a couple of commercial fishermen I know who have had 3208's
have, basically, burned them out."

Gee even this lie has an imported engine boo hoo poor unionists:-)

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K Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:


Bill Sc wrote:

As far as I know all outboards are "stood on end" (crankshaft needs to point
down). Seems like all the 4 strokes would need dry sump or a weird oil pan.

Not "quite" all :-) But yes agreed. However "if" & it's still an if, it
is based on that GM engine then there would be some things to be
addressed, not just moving the oil pickup & having the "sump" at the bottom.

K


Why don't you just list in standard English

Gotta love it an totally uneducated union spruiker yank asking for
standard English!!! what a hoot from the liar:-)

You want to compare writing skills? Go for it.



all of the "some things to
be addressed," and we'll ask Mercury.

Well the early hondas had a few problems with cam sealing, the top
wasn't getting enough & the bottom too much so seals didn't just fail
but at the top particularly cut into the shaft by being too dry.

That's Honda, maybe. You intimated there were "some things to be
addressed" with the Mercury engine. What are the problems with the new
Mercury engine.



Already mentioned the loss of prime thing but that's probably OK now

Is that a problem with the new Mercury engine? The one no one in
Australia has seen?



Some of the early 4 strokes tended to corrode out what is effectively
the sump. (hot salt water being blasted by exhaust seems the eat through
very quickly)

Yes, well, isn't that nice. But is that a problem with the new Mercury
engine? After all, Mercury does have some knowledge of corrosion
protection, eh?



In my case being a diesel the concerns were about oil getting past the
rings into the chamber, always a serious thing in diesels. They have oil
sprayers under the pistons so there's always plenty there.

That's nice. What does that have to do with the new Mercury four stroke
gasoline engine?



With the cyls to stern if a boat were very stern low trimmed at rest (as
many OB craft are let alone with well over 600lbs of diesel OB
attached:-)) then they were worried residual lube oil might get flowed
"down" into the chambers.

That's a terrible problem..,but how does it relate to the new Mercury
outboard?




Well as I said under the tutelage of GM they should be pretty right, but
as we all now know they were pretty hopeless when it came to Optimax &
gees louise that was the Aussies:-)


Mercury builds many high-output engines for the automakers. Merc also
successfully marinizes GM engines. You didn't know that? I expect that
if this was a cross-pollinization effort between Merc and GM, both
companies learned from each other.



All this is predicated upon them using that particular GM block as the
base engine, given the weight etc it seems likely?? Anyone confirm??


That possibility was talked about more than a year ago, but I haven't
seen any confirmation. However, the straight-six engine Merc is using
for this outboard turns 6400 rpm, and if it is a GM-based product, that
certainly would make it an unusual one, since, as far as I know, GM
doesn't have a gas block engine in straight six format that turns
anywhere near that. So, if it were a block of GM origin, it would have
to be totally re-engineered, eh?


My summation: you know nothing about the new Merc outboard, nothing at
all, but you want to appear in the know. Now, I expect, you'll spend
some hours searching out some crumbs of information, translate them into
your semi-literate non-standard English, and claim them as your own.





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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!


In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8)

Lloyd

(and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC !

Lloyd



Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs
close to 600 pounds.

What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that
for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled
mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to
cope. I deal with a very large and successful dealership that has some
first-class people in its shop, but it is a big-ticket, high-volume
dealer. Imagine buying one of these outboards from an inland guy who
only sells a dozen a year. His shop guys don't get enough practice to
get up to speed.

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:17:37 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!


In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8)

Lloyd

(and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC !

Lloyd



Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs close to 600
pounds.

What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that for
anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and
I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope.

That's a common problem these days. Have you looked at some of the modern
"sportbikes"? Have you seen anything on them that you or I would identify as an
"engine"? (let alone "spark plugs", "carburetor", etc.) Same with the
high-output, turbocharged, intercooled, goober-modulated diesels.

My bike has an old-style V-twin engine, with plugs and carburators. My boat has
a normally-aspirated diesel. My van has the Venerable 4.3L V6. I can repair them
all myself, mostly without a computer.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - engine ALMOST done!

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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:17:37 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52...
Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today.

Supercharged even. :)

http://www.mercurymarine.com/

-W

Anybody look at the weight?

649 lbs for a 225!!


In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8)

Lloyd

(and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC !

Lloyd



Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs close to 600
pounds.

What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that for
anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and
I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope.

That's a common problem these days. Have you looked at some of the modern
"sportbikes"? Have you seen anything on them that you or I would identify as an
"engine"? (let alone "spark plugs", "carburetor", etc.) Same with the
high-output, turbocharged, intercooled, goober-modulated diesels.

My bike has an old-style V-twin engine, with plugs and carburators. My boat has
a normally-aspirated diesel. My van has the Venerable 4.3L V6. I can repair them
all myself, mostly without a computer.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - engine ALMOST done!


Hey...I can still fix my lawnmower engine.

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Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that
for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled
mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to
cope.

From my experience they are not doing much. They may send someone to a seminar
or something but they certainly seem baffled as soon as these things get beyond
bad plugs and worn out impellers.
Expect them to go through a, $500 a part, easter egg hunt and they are going to
try to charge you for the misses.
"Damn TWO bad parts!"
I suppose, if you live in a metro area near the water they will have enough
volume to sustain a well trained mechanic but here in the SW Fla area I haven't
found him yet.
It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he
probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into
the easter egg hunt.

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

I'm afraid that's my exact take too.... sigh

"Greg" wrote in message
news:20040215122919.04604.00001937@mb-

From my experience they are not doing much. They may send someone to a
seminar
or something but they certainly seem baffled as soon as these things get
beyond
bad plugs and worn out impellers.
Expect them to go through a, $500 a part, easter egg hunt and they are
going to
try to charge you for the misses.
"Damn TWO bad parts!"
I suppose, if you live in a metro area near the water they will have
enough
volume to sustain a well trained mechanic but here in the SW Fla area I
haven't
found him yet.
It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a
shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and
he
probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts
into
the easter egg hunt.

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a
shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he
probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into
the easter egg hunt.

Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough my car is
way over my head, I dont need my boat there too.

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

CCred68046 wrote:
It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a
shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he
probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into
the easter egg hunt.


Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough my car is
way over my head, I dont need my boat there too.



I have the shop manual for my Yamaha F225. It's convinced me to keep
mitts off the engine.

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
CCred68046 wrote:
It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy
a
shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done
and he
probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts
into
the easter egg hunt.


Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough my
car is
way over my head, I dont need my boat there too.



I have the shop manual for my Yamaha F225. It's convinced me to keep
mitts off the engine.

It's worth having so you can double-check that you're not swindled by your
mechanic into replacing your fanozolator more often than you have to. Are
the 4-strokes every 50 or 100 hours for that service?

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

CCred68046 wrote:

It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy

a

shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done

and he

probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts

into

the easter egg hunt.


Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough my

car is

way over my head, I dont need my boat there too.



I have the shop manual for my Yamaha F225. It's convinced me to keep
mitts off the engine.


It's worth having so you can double-check that you're not swindled by your
mechanic into replacing your fanozolator more often than you have to. Are
the 4-strokes every 50 or 100 hours for that service?


100 hour service cycle, but I will change the oil every 50 or better.

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

CCred68046 wrote:

It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor.
Buy

a

shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done

and he

probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple
parts

into

the easter egg hunt.


Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough
my

car is

way over my head, I dont need my boat there too.



I have the shop manual for my Yamaha F225. It's convinced me to keep
mitts off the engine.


It's worth having so you can double-check that you're not swindled by
your
mechanic into replacing your fanozolator more often than you have to.
Are
the 4-strokes every 50 or 100 hours for that service?


100 hour service cycle, but I will change the oil every 50 or better.


I've heard that the Big Suzuki and Honda four-strokes call for, among other
things, a 100 hour service that requires pulling the cam and adjusting the
valves...to the tune of $1000. Anybody else hear that?

OT--And this Year's Nobel Peace Prize Goes to...
 

Bush!

He's been nominated...along with Tony Blair, for protecting World Peace.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in600270.shtml

OT--And this Year's Nobel Peace Prize Goes to...
 

NOYB wrote:
Bush!

He's been nominated...along with Tony Blair, for protecting World Peace.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in600270.shtml




It's the Joke Nobel...there's always two joke nominations.

OT--And this Year's Nobel Peace Prize Goes to...
 

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:14:58 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Bush!

He's been nominated...along with Tony Blair, for protecting World Peace.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in600270.shtml

One of 173 nominees. Looks like his chances of a Nobel are about the
same as a second term, if there's any justice in the world.

bb

Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:54:22 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


I've heard that the Big Suzuki and Honda four-strokes call for, among
other
things, a 100 hour service that requires pulling the cam and adjusting
the
valves...to the tune of $1000. Anybody else hear that?



Pulling the cam? $1000 to adjust the valves? That sounds reasonable.


....Gene says with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.

What I'm asking is:
Has anybody heard of a factory-recommended 100 service on the big Suzuki and
Honda four-stroke which requires pulling the cam and adjusting the valves?
I'm just reporting what I heard on another forum...and it sounded a little
far-fetched to me.