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Couldn't have said it better:

Harley Sorensen, Special to SF Gate
Monday, February 2, 2004


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I would like to say a kind word about George W. Bush: He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails
them.

People say I hate Bush. That may or may not be true. I use the word
hate a lot, but I think it means different things to different people.
Genuine hatred is not high on my list of personal emotions. If I
consider someone bad, all I ask of them is that they stop being bad.
If they can do that, I have no further quarrel with them.

The point I hope to get to in this little essay is that those of us
who dislike Bush did not simply get up one morning and decide we were
going to hate him. He had to earn our antipathy.

And he's done that. In spades.

One of my initial thoughts, when I became aware of Bush early in 2000,
was, "He seems to be a Republican I could vote for." On first
impression, he seemed to have all his father's good qualities and none
of his bad. So he started out on my good side.

But then, during his election campaign, I started to dislike him when
I realized he was campaigning with focus-group slogans rather than
real ideas. He said he was "a compassionate conservative," a bit of
nonsense that attempted to satisfy both liberals and conservatives. He
said he was "a uniter, not a divider," which was clearly phony, as
events have shown. Americans are about as divided now as they were
during the Civil War, and most foreign countries are scared to death
of Bush's quirky, violent decisions. And Bush said he was "a reformer
with results," another nonsense slogan designed to charm people who
don't listen too closely.

Looking at the surplus Bill Clinton left behind, Bush said he'd give
one-quarter of that windfall "to the people who pay the bills. I want
everybody who pays taxes to have their tax rates cut."

When that surplus vanished, Bush cut taxes anyway and sent "refund"
checks out with borrowed money. And the big beneficiaries were people
in Bush's circle: the rich and the very rich.

I started to get angry with Bush when he started his term as president
by effectively cutting off American funds to foreign organizations
that might provide abortions for poor people.

Deliberately restricting a medical procedure to people in need is
hardly compassionate.

Bush quickly made it clear he was going to pander to America's fourth
branch of government, the Christian fundamentalist extremists. By
doing so, he showed his contempt for one of the most important
principles set forth in our Constitution, the avoidance of a state
religion.

It wasn't long after that turn that Bush, for patently religious
reasons, put a damper on stem-cell research. His actions effectively
stopped American scientists from finding life-saving treatments
through such efforts. In my opinion, Bush's decision was cruel and
inhumane, but certainly worthy of a man who had once mocked the pleas
of a woman about to be executed in Texas.

That was it for me. His total disdain for environmental protection was
frosting on the cake. Even though the proof kept coming, I didn't need
any more evidence of his lack of concern for human life outside of his
elite social group.

The current national discussion on Bush revolves around his decision
to go to war with Iraq. If you give him the benefit of the doubt, he
was given faulty information about Saddam Hussein's weapons
capabilities. But he still made a deadly mistake. You don't send
American boys and girls off to be killed without knowing with absolute
certainty that it's necessary. Bush, hell bent on both avenging
Saddam's attempt on his father's life and proving he's a better man
than his dad, gambled. He gambled, and our kids lost.

Now, every time I hear a report of troops killed in Iraq, or in
Afghanistan, the site of a neglected war, I grow livid.

(Whatever happened to the Powell Doctrine, which insisted that we
shouldn't go to war except as a last resort, that a clear risk to
national security must exist, that we must use overwhelming force if
we do fight, that the decision to fight must have strong public
support and that we must have a clear exit strategy?)

Hatred for a Republican president is not a knee-jerk liberal emotion.
Opposition, yes, but not hatred. This Bush fellow is a special case.

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At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason why every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.

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NOYB wrote:

At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason why every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



Oh, puh-lease. Bush is as dumb as the proverbial post.
He's out of there this fall.

--
Email sent to is never read.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the two
places. I can see where he might put on that "folks" crap with a bunch of
farmers in Kansas, but when he falls apart with a foreign dignitary, that's
too much.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me in a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was talking.
Get it? Sometimes, you muster the necessary level of self control to do the
right thing. No excuses. If your boy can't do that, he has no business being
around leaders of other countries. Or using my White House.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He
nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason
why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me in a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He
plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He
nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason
why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the
two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me in
a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

I guess we have vastly different views on quality control. If your boy
worked at my company, he'd be on the fast track to nowhere. No promotions.
Minimal responsibility.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He
plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He
nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the
reason
why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the
two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me
in
a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

I guess we have vastly different views on quality control. If your boy
worked at my company, he'd be on the fast track to nowhere. No promotions.
Minimal responsibility.

No. We have very different views about what is a reliable measure of a
person's intelligence. Public speaking is *not* a reliable tool to measure
how "smart" someone is, IMO.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me
in
a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

I guess we have vastly different views on quality control. If your boy
worked at my company, he'd be on the fast track to nowhere. No
promotions.
Minimal responsibility.

No. We have very different views about what is a reliable measure of a
person's intelligence. Public speaking is *not* a reliable tool to
measure
how "smart" someone is, IMO.

With the president, we have no other measure, unless we can find a way to
spend a day with him, asking him questions of our own. You may say we can
judge him by his actions, but that's probably not a good idea.

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I wonder if there will be open debates between Bush and Kerry. Kerry
will absolutely clean Bush's clock.


Let's hope not. I have read up on Kerry and the man scares me. Not quite as
badly as "The Hildebeast" (Hil-LIAR-y Clinton), but Kerry does have some
whacked out views that go against the grain of our founding fathers of the USA.

Let me put it this way: Any self respecting firearm owner who votes for Kerry,
might as well just turn in your firearms at the nearest police station right
after you vote for him.

Butch Ammon

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"Butch Ammon" wrote in message
...
I wonder if there will be open debates between Bush and Kerry. Kerry
will absolutely clean Bush's clock.


Let's hope not. I have read up on Kerry and the man scares me. Not quite
as
badly as "The Hildebeast" (Hil-LIAR-y Clinton), but Kerry does have some
whacked out views that go against the grain of our founding fathers of the
USA.

Let me put it this way: Any self respecting firearm owner who votes for
Kerry,
might as well just turn in your firearms at the nearest police station
right
after you vote for him.

What's he saying about firearms?

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What's he saying about firearms?

Kerry scored a big fat "F" on the NRA's website. He fully supports Sarah Brady
and the "Brady bunch" not to mention the gun-grabbing liberals like Diane
Feinstein, Charles Schumer, etc...

I know he is a combat Vietnam vet and all, but his absolute disdain for
firearms is going to be his downfall.

Visit the NRA's website or the NRA-ILA site and you'll read all you need to
know about a politicians viewpoints.

Butch Ammon

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock
me
in
a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

I guess we have vastly different views on quality control. If your boy
worked at my company, he'd be on the fast track to nowhere. No
promotions.
Minimal responsibility.

No. We have very different views about what is a reliable measure of a
person's intelligence. Public speaking is *not* a reliable tool to
measure
how "smart" someone is, IMO.

With the president, we have no other measure, unless we can find a way to
spend a day with him, asking him questions of our own. You may say we can
judge him by his actions, but that's probably not a good idea.

That's a very good idea. Judge him by his actions...not whether you agree
with them...but whether or not the end results were/are positive. Didn't
agree with the tax cuts? So what. There is hardly anybody dumb enough to
say that they didn't help spark the economy. Didn't agree with the war in
Iraq? So what. It's hard to find someone who believes the World would be a
better place with Saddam still in power. Don't agree with the Patriot Act
and the detention of all those bad guys in Guantanamo? So what. Since
9/11, there have been no major attacks on our country despite al Qaeda's
best efforts.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.289c59c912814428cc4671b817722c8a@107 5917347.nulluser.com...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He
plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap!
He
nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the
reason
why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of
the
two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock
me in
a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

I guess we have vastly different views on quality control. If your boy
worked at my company, he'd be on the fast track to nowhere. No
promotions.
Minimal responsibility.



I get it. Bush is only pretending to be as dumb as a post. In reality,
he is as dumb as dirt.

How clever of him to aspire to post-dom.

I wonder if there will be open debates between Bush and Kerry. Kerry
will absolutely clean Bush's clock.

Your suggestion that Kerry will beat Bush in a debate might raise a few
eyebrows (Kerry's botox brow excluded of course). Kerry is a very boring
speaker...who is pitching liberal ideas that don't jive with mainstream
America.




Kerry-Edwards is beginning to look like the ticket. Works for me. And
what's really telling: the tremendous number of Democrats getting out to
the polls for these primaries. The base is motivated, and that means
trouble in River City for President Bush-shipper and his collection of
incompetents.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Butch Ammon" wrote in message
...
I wonder if there will be open debates between Bush and Kerry. Kerry
will absolutely clean Bush's clock.


Let's hope not. I have read up on Kerry and the man scares me. Not
quite
as
badly as "The Hildebeast" (Hil-LIAR-y Clinton), but Kerry does have some
whacked out views that go against the grain of our founding fathers of
the
USA.

Let me put it this way: Any self respecting firearm owner who votes for
Kerry,
might as well just turn in your firearms at the nearest police station
right
after you vote for him.

What's he saying about firearms?

From his website
(http://www.http://kerry.senate.gov/b...ns_record.html)

Gun Control
Senator Kerry is deeply troubled by the numbers of people - and particularly
the number of children - that are wounded or killed by gunfire each year and
he supports stricter gun control measures in order to prevent children and
adults from misusing any of the approximately 192 million firearms currently
in circulation in the United States. He believes that we need to close the
gun show loophole, which permits sales at gun shows without a background
check, require the provision of a child safety lock on all handguns, and
increase controls on assault weapons and HANDGUNS.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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With the president, we have no other measure, unless we can find a way
to
spend a day with him, asking him questions of our own. You may say we
can
judge him by his actions, but that's probably not a good idea.

That's a very good idea. Judge him by his actions...not whether you agree
with them...but whether or not the end results were/are positive. Didn't
agree with the tax cuts? So what. There is hardly anybody dumb enough to
say that they didn't help spark the economy. Didn't agree with the war in
Iraq? So what. It's hard to find someone who believes the World would be
a
better place with Saddam still in power. Don't agree with the Patriot Act
and the detention of all those bad guys in Guantanamo? So what. Since
9/11, there have been no major attacks on our country despite al Qaeda's
best efforts.

Oh. I see. But, perhaps you should meditate on the difference between cause
and correlation.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

Your suggestion that Kerry will beat Bush in a debate might raise a few
eyebrows (Kerry's botox brow excluded of course). Kerry is a very boring
speaker...who is pitching liberal ideas that don't jive with mainstream
America.

Mainstream America? How do you define that? Polls indicate the country's
split close to 50/50 on most major issues. Which 50% is mainstream? The one
you like?

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"NOYB" wrote in message news:Te6Ub.9976
How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

It probably WAS a misstatement, proving he's an idiot who, even when
meeting with visiting foreign dignitaries, can't retain what country
that particular dignitary is from!

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"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He
nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the reason
why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.



How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me in a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

Wow, really? You DON'T understand the above analogy? You ARE stupid then!

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

What's he saying about firearms?

From his website
(http://www.http://kerry.senate.gov/b...ns_record.html)

Gun Control
Senator Kerry is deeply troubled by the numbers of people - and
particularly
the number of children - that are wounded or killed by gunfire each year
and
he supports stricter gun control measures in order to prevent children and
adults from misusing any of the approximately 192 million firearms
currently
in circulation in the United States. He believes that we need to close the
gun show loophole, which permits sales at gun shows without a background
check, require the provision of a child safety lock on all handguns, and
increase controls on assault weapons and HANDGUNS.

-- Gun locks. Right. Most manufacturers now supply them for free with new
guns. No way anyone will figure out how to get people to use them at
appropriate times.

-- Gun show loophole: It's already illegal for a felon to set foot in a
place that sells guns. It's barely enforced, even though there are enough
laws to put offenders away for quite a long time. Besides, unless a cop
recognized a felon, how would anyone know he's wandering around a gun show,
unless there were background checks???

-- Handgun controls: I live in NY. That's just about as bad as it gets. But,
I'm acquainted with one person who was denied his pistol permit because of
his neighbors, two of whom own guns themselves. I think the permit process
is a good idea. I'm sure I'll have to expand on this story for someone
here...

Kids wounded by gunfire? Simple:
--If they get their hands on guns which are improperly stored at home, come
down hard on the parents. No bail. No slap on the wrist. Jail time.
--Gunfire in the streets? Every time (that means "always"

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He certainly is in favor of the Brady bill, efforts to control assault
weapons, and efforts to require background checks at gun shows.

That somehow makes Kerry someone who is going to force you to turn in
your shotgun?

My shotgun, your shotgun, my old Marlin .22, my dad's old 1953 H&R .22
revolver, etc...

John Kerry is *NOT* a hunter. You can trust me on that one.

Are you really that simple-minded?

Oooo, that hurt. I am not simple at all. I try to read everything I can get
my hands on, so I can get a well rounded opinion on a candidate. I'm sorry,
John Kerry is not the greatest candidate out there. He's way too far left.

Let's make a bet: If Bush loses, I'll buy you lunch somewhere. If Bush wins,
you buy me lunch somewhere.

Deal?

Butch Ammon

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
What's he saying about firearms?

From his website
(http://www.http://kerry.senate.gov/b...ns_record.html)

Gun Control
Senator Kerry is deeply troubled by the numbers of people - and
particularly
the number of children - that are wounded or killed by gunfire each year
and
he supports stricter gun control measures in order to prevent children and
adults from misusing any of the approximately 192 million firearms
currently
in circulation in the United States. He believes that we need to close the
gun show loophole, which permits sales at gun shows without a background
check, require the provision of a child safety lock on all handguns, and
increase controls on assault weapons and HANDGUNS.

This is easy.

-- Gun locks. Right. Many manufacturers now supply them for free with new
guns. No way anyone will figure out how to get people to use them at
appropriate times. As far as adding internal features to make guns
kid-proof, not a chance this will take off in a big way. Police departments
wouldn't stand for adding a feature that has any chance of malfunctioning
when a cop needs to use his gun. And guys like me won't buy them, either.

-- Gun show loophole: It's already illegal for a felon to set foot in a
place that sells guns. It's barely enforced, even though there are enough
laws to put offenders away for quite a long time. Background checks at gun
shows are a great idea. The NRA says the government should enforce the
existing laws, but how would a cop know there was a felon trying to buy a
gun at a gun show, if there weren't background checks? Get lucky and spot
him in the crowd?

-- Handgun controls: I live in NY. That's just about as bad as it gets. But,
I'm acquainted with one person who was denied his pistol permit because of
his neighbors, two of whom own guns themselves. They had a good reason to
stop him. I think the permit process is a good idea. I'm sure I'll have to
expand on this story for someone here...say when.

Kids wounded by gunfire? Simple:

--If they get their hands on guns which are improperly stored at home and
hurt/kill someone, come down hard on the parents. No bail. No slap on the
wrist. Jail time.

--Gunfire in the streets? Every time (that means "always") there's a street
shooting here, the police say they suspect drugs were involved. When they
get to the bottom of things, they are usually correct. Is there still anyone
stupid enough to think that legalizing drugs wouldn't go a long way toward
decreasing street shootings? You can get drugs any time you want, anyway.
The silly laws just make it more of an adventure.

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Is that all??
I'd encourage him to go farther......outlaw all handguns and assault weapons
except for police/military.
I have to keep trigger locks on my rifle & shotgun....just good common
sense.

NOYB wrote in message
link.net...

Gun Control
Senator Kerry is deeply troubled by the numbers of people - and
particularly
the number of children - that are wounded or killed by gunfire each year
and
he supports stricter gun control measures in order to prevent children and
adults from misusing any of the approximately 192 million firearms
currently
in circulation in the United States. He believes that we need to close the
gun show loophole, which permits sales at gun shows without a background
check, require the provision of a child safety lock on all handguns, and
increase controls on assault weapons and HANDGUNS.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Is that all??
I'd encourage him to go farther......outlaw all handguns and assault
weapons
except for police/military.

What's an "assault weapon"?

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Don't know what you 'mericans would consider as assault...but I say....
anything that holds more than 5 rounds or shells.
and certainly automatic weapons such as AK47's & M16's Machine pistols etc

Joe wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Is that all??
I'd encourage him to go farther......outlaw all handguns and assault
weapons
except for police/military.

What's an "assault weapon"?

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Wouldn't you like your girls to live in a safer world? Who needs all those
guns?

Butch Ammon wrote in message
...
snip
Let me put it this way: Any self respecting firearm owner who votes for
Kerry,
might as well just turn in your firearms at the nearest police station
right
after you vote for him.

Butch Ammon

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Butch Ammon wrote:
He certainly is in favor of the Brady bill, efforts to control assault
weapons, and efforts to require background checks at gun shows.

That somehow makes Kerry someone who is going to force you to turn in
your shotgun?

My shotgun, your shotgun, my old Marlin .22, my dad's old 1953 H&R .22
revolver, etc...

John Kerry is *NOT* a hunter. You can trust me on that one.

You're sure about that, right, Butch? I mean there's no doubt in your
mind, eh?

Perhaps you missed this piece:

Shotgun in Hand, Kerry Defines His Gun-Control Stance


November 01, 2003

New York Times

by David M. Halbfinger
Olo, IA -

Senator John Kerry blasted away at Howard Dean on Friday, accusing him
of currying favor with the National Rifle Association and opposing an
assault-weapons ban that Mr. Kerry and other supporters of gun control
fought for in the 1990's.

Then Mr. Kerry took his 12-gauge shotgun and blew two pheasants out of
the sky in two shots.

Mr. Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat running for president, has been an
off-again-on-again hunter since the age of 12. He arrived at lunchtime
for a long-planned pheasant shoot here on the cold plains of central Iowa.

But with reporters in tow, before even cleaning his gun Mr. Kerry
seized on a report that Dr. Dean, when running for governor of Vermont
in 1992, told the National Rifle Association in a signed questionnaire
that he opposed any restrictions on private ownership of assault weapons.

So it was that Mr. Kerry spoke out for gun control one minute and then
led photographers on a classic hunter's photo opportunity the next.

In duck boots from L. L. Bean, blue jeans, two flannel shirts and an
orange safety vest, Mr. Kerry tramped through the brush of an old
cornfield with a local farmer's 9-year-old English pointer, Buck,
trailing. Less than five minutes into his expedition, before journalists
could get out of their cars and hurdle a barbed-wire fence to record the
moment, Buck rousted a bird, Mr. Kerry took aim and fired, and the first
blood of the Democratic presidential campaign was spilled.

Mr. Kerry proved quite the shot. Moments later, he leveled his gun
suddenly and squeezed his trigger once more, and another pheasant fell
to the ground, this time with an appreciative pack of journalists
witnessing the kill.

(I've deleted the rest of the article, which explains Kerry's gun
control stance.)







Are you really that simple-minded?

Oooo, that hurt. I am not simple at all. I try to read everything I can get
my hands on, so I can get a well rounded opinion on a candidate. I'm sorry,
John Kerry is not the greatest candidate out there. He's way too far left.

No, you don't. You get your news and make up your mind by your IV from
the National Rifle Association. You've already stated that.

As to who is the "greatest" candidate out there, if the field is limited
to Kerry or Bush, I would state Kerry is the better candidate. You can
and will disagree: your privilege. My opinion about Bush is that he is
both too stupid and too far right to be a decent President.

For you to state Kerry is some sort of gun-control nut and is not a
hunter means you simply are parroting the drooling idiots at the NRA.

I'm not a hunter, Butch, but I'm a gun owner, and I'm in favor of more
stringent gun-control laws. Oh...and I think I'd clean your clock in
sporting clays; I've been shooting clays for nearly 50 years. About six
weeks ago, I went with a buddy out to his property near the Shenandoah,
and from distances of 25, 50 and 75 yards, I shot 12 empty cola cans off
a tree stump, six with 20-gauge shot and six with 20-gauge slugs. And
this with a single-shot, $100 year old shotgun.

I own several shotguns and use them frequently. I guess I'd still be on
the NRA hit list, eh?




Let's make a bet: If Bush loses, I'll buy you lunch somewhere. If Bush wins,
you buy me lunch somewhere.

Deal?

Butch Ammon

Sure.

BTW, *your* president can't even protect the U.S. Senate offices,
despite all the money he's blown in his idiotic war on Afghanistan and
Iraq, and his numnutz HomeLand Insecurity department. Feel safer now
down in Richmond?


--
Email sent to is never read.

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Wouldn't you like your girls to live in a safer world? Who needs all those
guns?

Don,

My girls are 17 (almost 18). They love shooting my old Marlin .22, and one of
them actually is a better shot than me! I gave them the instruction the I
received from my dad, from the Coast Guard, etc.. and they listened and
understood.

They also tried their hand at skeet shooting with my Remington 870 12GA, but
they didn't care for the recoil. But they thought it was fun (but hard) trying
to shoot at a piece of clay zinging through the air!

Anyway, my 12GA shotgun, my .22 rifle, and my dad's old 1953 .22 revolver are
always locked up in their cases, and only come out when I use them on the
range.

It is safe where I live and there is no need for violence. Virginia is a nice
state, where if you want to buy a firearm - fine - go ahead! No permits or
miles of red tape. You go through the background check at a gun store, and
then buy your gun and walk out. What's so wrong with that?

Butch Ammon

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No problem for you or the girls...it's the unstable people who might buy or
steal readily available guns and commit mayhem.
As with most laws...the majority of solid citizens have to suffer
inconvenience to help thwart the criminal types.
The less guns in circulation....the less chance small time criminals or kids
will misuse one.
The hard core criminals will easily arm themselves whatever the law is.

Butch Ammon wrote in message
...
snip
It is safe where I live and there is no need for violence. Virginia is a
nice
state, where if you want to buy a firearm - fine - go ahead! No permits
or
miles of red tape. You go through the background check at a gun store,
and
then buy your gun and walk out. What's so wrong with that?

Butch Ammon

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Thomas Jefferson did not add the 2nd amendment to protect hunting
privileges. Was a direct challenge to the political leaders to stay the
course.
Bill

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Is that all??
I'd encourage him to go farther......outlaw all handguns and assault
weapons
except for police/military.
I have to keep trigger locks on my rifle & shotgun....just good common
sense.

NOYB wrote in message
link.net...

Gun Control
Senator Kerry is deeply troubled by the numbers of people - and
particularly
the number of children - that are wounded or killed by gunfire each year
and
he supports stricter gun control measures in order to prevent children
and
adults from misusing any of the approximately 192 million firearms
currently
in circulation in the United States. He believes that we need to close
the
gun show loophole, which permits sales at gun shows without a background
check, require the provision of a child safety lock on all handguns, and
increase controls on assault weapons and HANDGUNS.

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"Butch Ammon" wrote in message

John Kerry is not the greatest candidate out there. He's way too far
left.


If you compare the voting records of our two Senators on significant
legislation over the past 15 years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy. It's been a long, long time
since Teddy has been called "...the conservative one..."

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Don't know what you 'mericans would consider as assault...but I say....
anything that holds more than 5 rounds or shells.
and certainly automatic weapons such as AK47's & M16's Machine pistols etc

OK...you want to redesign revolvers? :-) And, you may as well limit handguns
to 3 rounds. Anyone who's taken a good defensive shooting course is taught
to put two in the torso, count to 1, and if you still see a face on a
standing body, 1 to the head.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Is that all??
I'd encourage him to go farther......outlaw all handguns and assault
weapons
except for police/military.
I have to keep trigger locks on my rifle & shotgun....just good common
sense.

That's silly. Ask around at any gun shop or shooting range and you'll be
told that cops are among the most UNsafe gun handlers. Most law-abiding gun
owners are obsessed with safety. The few that are not are much lower in
numbers than people who pose a daily threat to society every time they start
their cars.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Wouldn't you like your girls to live in a safer world? Who needs all
those
guns?

First, let's instruct our police to aggressively bully people who drive in
the winter with their windows all fogged up and covered with snow. While
they're at it, they can quadruple the number of sobriety checkpoints.

Forget criminals, who will always find a way to hurt & kill people. Focus on
"regular people" who've done bad things with guns. How many incidents do you
recall over the past 10 years? Big stuff that made news, and caused
legislators to get on their soap boxes? Maybe 3 or 5?

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"Don White" wrote in message
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No problem for you or the girls...it's the unstable people who might buy
or
steal readily available guns and commit mayhem.
As with most laws...the majority of solid citizens have to suffer
inconvenience to help thwart the criminal types.
The less guns in circulation....the less chance small time criminals or
kids
will misuse one.
The hard core criminals will easily arm themselves whatever the law is.

Many hunters enjoy the challenge of using handguns for deer, and never carry
those guns at any other time. No more handguns for them?

Drunk drivers was: OT Bush hatred
 

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:55:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Wouldn't you like your girls to live in a safer world? Who needs all
those
guns?

First, let's instruct our police to aggressively bully people who drive in
the winter with their windows all fogged up and covered with snow. While
they're at it, they can quadruple the number of sobriety checkpoints.

Personally, I want a total country wide ban on alcohol sales - period,
end-of-discussion.

However that is not a practical solution, so my proposal is .05
alcohol level as illegal and first offense for drunk driving is
automatic suspension and removal of the driver's license for a period
of one year and restricted priviledges for 5 years after reenstatement
(only drive from home to work for example) - no exceptions. I also
don't believe that the courts should be involved - you are caught, you
pay the piper.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:56:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No problem for you or the girls...it's the unstable people who might buy
or
steal readily available guns and commit mayhem.
As with most laws...the majority of solid citizens have to suffer
inconvenience to help thwart the criminal types.
The less guns in circulation....the less chance small time criminals or
kids
will misuse one.
The hard core criminals will easily arm themselves whatever the law is.

Many hunters enjoy the challenge of using handguns for deer, and never carry
those guns at any other time. No more handguns for them?

Feral pigs. With a .44 Mag revolver.

Them hogs is sumthin' huge too, I'll tell you whut... :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...


With the president, we have no other measure, unless we can find a way
to
spend a day with him, asking him questions of our own. You may say we
can
judge him by his actions, but that's probably not a good idea.

That's a very good idea. Judge him by his actions...not whether you
agree
with them...but whether or not the end results were/are positive.
Didn't
agree with the tax cuts? So what. There is hardly anybody dumb enough
to
say that they didn't help spark the economy. Didn't agree with the war
in
Iraq? So what. It's hard to find someone who believes the World would
be
a
better place with Saddam still in power. Don't agree with the Patriot
Act
and the detention of all those bad guys in Guantanamo? So what. Since
9/11, there have been no major attacks on our country despite al Qaeda's
best efforts.

Oh. I see. But, perhaps you should meditate on the difference between
cause
and correlation.


Fine, Doug. So Bush is Forrest Gump...and everything just happens to work
out or him...

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Is that all??
I'd encourage him to go farther

Who cares what you'd do. You can't vote in our elections.