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Drunk drivers was: OT Bush hatred

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message

..... first offense for drunk driving is
automatic suspension and removal of the driver's license for a period
of one year and restricted priviledges for 5 years after reenstatement
(only drive from home to work for example) - no exceptions.

I've always felt that in areas of public safety, strict enforcement of
simple laws was much preferable to lengthy debate over complex laws. The
fact is that such things work as deterrents.

I recall working in Norway in the mid 70s. Smaller town about 100 miles
from Oslo. Went to a club/bar a few days after arrival with a co-worker,
and at closing (about 1AM, I think) the whole bar was walking home! I asked
my friend about this, and he stated unequivocally that the penalties for DUI
were so prompt and severe that no one would risk it. He was quite surprised
that I asked!!

JG

Drunk drivers was: OT Bush hatred

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:16:49 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message

..... first offense for drunk driving is
automatic suspension and removal of the driver's license for a period
of one year and restricted priviledges for 5 years after reenstatement
(only drive from home to work for example) - no exceptions.

I've always felt that in areas of public safety, strict enforcement of
simple laws was much preferable to lengthy debate over complex laws. The
fact is that such things work as deterrents.

Agreed.

I recall working in Norway in the mid 70s. Smaller town about 100 miles
from Oslo. Went to a club/bar a few days after arrival with a co-worker,
and at closing (about 1AM, I think) the whole bar was walking home! I asked
my friend about this, and he stated unequivocally that the penalties for DUI
were so prompt and severe that no one would risk it. He was quite surprised
that I asked!!

Actually, I confess - you caught me.

That's where I got the idea. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Your suggestion that Kerry will beat Bush in a debate might raise a few
eyebrows (Kerry's botox brow excluded of course). Kerry is a very
boring
speaker...who is pitching liberal ideas that don't jive with mainstream
America.

Mainstream America? How do you define that? Polls indicate the country's
split close to 50/50 on most major issues. Which 50% is mainstream? The
one
you like?

Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to be one of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business. In the 106th Congress, he
voted against legislation supported by the NFIB almost 84% of the time. In
the 107th Congress, he voted against NFIB-supported legislation 75% of the
time. This is despite his website claim that "As Chairman of the U.S.
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, I have fought to
provide small businesses in Massachusetts and across the country greater
access to capital, increased access to business counseling and training,
better access to government contracts, tax relief from capital gains and
estate taxes, and relief from federal regulations."
Bull****!

Basskisser,
Have you ever posted a response that didn't have some form of name-calling
in it? What was that you said awhile back about name-calling and acting
like a child on the playground? Aren't you due for a game of dodgeball
about now? Or "smear the queer with the ball"?

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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At least Sorenson is smart enought to realize the following:

He's usually not
as dumb as he pretends to be.

Acting dumb is Bush's style. He likes to sandbag people. He
plays
dumb, people underestimate him and, all of a sudden -- wap! He
nails
them.

Harry still hasn't figured it out...which is precisely the
reason
why
every
one of Harry's predictions about Bush have been wrong.

How do you know he's ACTING dumb? The guy confused Slovenia with
Slovakia,
while standing right next to the foreign minister from one of the
two
places.

How do you know it wasn't just a misstatement?

I don't care WHAT it was. In some situations, accidents are not
permissible.
Period. I can talk about gardening until people are ready to lock me
in a
closet. But, I wouldn't do it at a funeral while the clergyman was
talking.
Get it?

No. Your analogy sucks.

Wow, really? You DON'T understand the above analogy? You ARE stupid then!

Not YET! Wait until we assimilate you...we'll cleanup that backwater swamp
area you pull teeth in!

NOYB wrote in message
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Who cares what you'd do. You can't vote in our elections.

Damn straight!
Handguns not allowed for any type of hunting up here and no one seems to
mind.

Doug Kanter wrote in message
...

Many hunters enjoy the challenge of using handguns for deer, and never
carry
those guns at any other time. No more handguns for them?

"Don White" wrote in message
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Not YET! Wait until we assimilate you...we'll cleanup that backwater
swamp
area you pull teeth in!

There are too many liberals like yourself trying to completely outlaw guns
in Canada. How do you plan to take us over? By poisoning us with your Mad
Cow-infected beef?

"NOYB" wrote in message news:x0uUb.11106
Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to be one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business. In the 106th Congress,
he
voted against legislation supported by the NFIB almost 84% of the time.
In
the 107th Congress, he voted against NFIB-supported legislation 75% of the
time. This is despite his website claim that "As Chairman of the U.S.
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, I have fought to
provide small businesses in Massachusetts and across the country greater
access to capital, increased access to business counseling and training,
better access to government contracts, tax relief from capital gains and
estate taxes, and relief from federal regulations."
Bull****!

Ref my post above, wherein I pointed out..."If you compare the voting
records of our two Senators on significant legislation over the past 15
years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy."

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

Your suggestion that Kerry will beat Bush in a debate might raise a
few
eyebrows (Kerry's botox brow excluded of course). Kerry is a very
boring
speaker...who is pitching liberal ideas that don't jive with
mainstream
America.

Mainstream America? How do you define that? Polls indicate the country's
split close to 50/50 on most major issues. Which 50% is mainstream? The
one
you like?

Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to be one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business.
snip

They're ALL liars. But at least there are no dead people to show for Kerry's
actions.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:x0uUb.11106
Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small
business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to be
one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business. In the 106th Congress,
he
voted against legislation supported by the NFIB almost 84% of the time.
In
the 107th Congress, he voted against NFIB-supported legislation 75% of
the
time. This is despite his website claim that "As Chairman of the U.S.
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, I have fought
to
provide small businesses in Massachusetts and across the country greater
access to capital, increased access to business counseling and training,
better access to government contracts, tax relief from capital gains and
estate taxes, and relief from federal regulations."
Bull****!

Ref my post above, wherein I pointed out..."If you compare the voting
records of our two Senators on significant legislation over the past 15
years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy."

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Easier. Just move to California. We will issue a drivers license and you
can drive to the polling place to state your opinion.
Bill

"Don White" wrote in message
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Not YET! Wait until we assimilate you...we'll cleanup that backwater
swamp
area you pull teeth in!

NOYB wrote in message
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Who cares what you'd do. You can't vote in our elections.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

Your suggestion that Kerry will beat Bush in a debate might raise a
few
eyebrows (Kerry's botox brow excluded of course). Kerry is a very
boring
speaker...who is pitching liberal ideas that don't jive with
mainstream
America.

Mainstream America? How do you define that? Polls indicate the
country's
split close to 50/50 on most major issues. Which 50% is mainstream?
The
one
you like?

Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small
business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to be
one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business.
snip

They're ALL liars. But at least there are no dead people to show for
Kerry's
actions.

Huh? I thought he was a Vietnam vet. In fact, he was a lieutenant, right?
Which means that he ordered men into combat...and some of those men did not
make it back. That makes him no different from the
Commander-in-Chief...except that he had control over fewer men.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:x0uUb.11106
Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small
business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to be
one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business. In the 106th
Congress,
he
voted against legislation supported by the NFIB almost 84% of the
time.
In
the 107th Congress, he voted against NFIB-supported legislation 75% of
the
time. This is despite his website claim that "As Chairman of the
U.S.
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, I have fought
to
provide small businesses in Massachusetts and across the country
greater
access to capital, increased access to business counseling and
training,
better access to government contracts, tax relief from capital gains
and
estate taxes, and relief from federal regulations."
Bull****!

Ref my post above, wherein I pointed out..."If you compare the voting
records of our two Senators on significant legislation over the past 15
years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy."

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

They're ALL liars. But at least there are no dead people to show for
Kerry's
actions.

Huh? I thought he was a Vietnam vet. In fact, he was a lieutenant,
right?
Which means that he ordered men into combat...and some of those men did
not
make it back. That makes him no different from the
Commander-in-Chief...except that he had control over fewer men.

Kerry didn't invent the domino theory. He was probably 3 years old when
McCarthy-era knuckleheads dreamt it up. Kerry didn't make policy at the time
he was in Vietnam.

My theory is...if you get stuck with 4 more years of George W and that Dick
character.....
75% of thinking Americans will invite us to 'come on down'!

NOYB wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Not YET! Wait until we assimilate you...we'll cleanup that backwater
swamp
area you pull teeth in!

There are too many liberals like yourself trying to completely outlaw guns
in Canada. How do you plan to take us over? By poisoning us with your
Mad
Cow-infected beef?

"Don White" wrote in message

75% of thinking Americans will invite us to 'come on down'!

Yuh. Might happen, eh?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"Butch Ammon" wrote in message

John Kerry is not the greatest candidate out there. He's way too far
left.

If you compare the voting records of our two Senators on significant
legislation over the past 15 years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy. It's been a long, long time
since Teddy has been called "...the conservative one..."

Can't you think of something original, rather than citing that idiot
of the right, Hannity? Now, don't lie, you and I both know that's
where you got that bull****.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
Thomas Jefferson did not add the 2nd amendment to protect hunting
privileges. Was a direct challenge to the political leaders to stay the
course.
Bill

Proof, please.

"basskisser" wrote in message
Can't you think of something original, rather than citing that idiot
of the right, Hannity? Now, don't lie, you and I both know that's
where you got that bull****.

Senate voting records are public. Anyone can look it up. Even you.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Thomas Jefferson did not add the 2nd amendment to protect hunting
privileges. Was a direct challenge to the political leaders to stay the
course.
Bill

Proof, please.

You could not have graduated from grammar school as ignorant as you are.
Read Jefferson's papers, or even the Cliff Notes.

Fortunately, some of us are close enough that we can hop the border when we
need a dose of sanity. :-) Besides your beer, I'm especially fond of all the
cashiers who can make change without looking at the digits on the register.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
My theory is...if you get stuck with 4 more years of George W and that
Dick
character.....
75% of thinking Americans will invite us to 'come on down'!

NOYB wrote in message
link.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Not YET! Wait until we assimilate you...we'll cleanup that backwater
swamp
area you pull teeth in!

There are too many liberals like yourself trying to completely outlaw
guns
in Canada. How do you plan to take us over? By poisoning us with your
Mad
Cow-infected beef?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message news:x0uUb.11106
Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by
his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small
business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to
be
one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business. In the 106th
Congress,
he
voted against legislation supported by the NFIB almost 84% of the
time.
In
the 107th Congress, he voted against NFIB-supported legislation 75%
of
the
time. This is despite his website claim that "As Chairman of the
U.S.
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, I have
fought
to
provide small businesses in Massachusetts and across the country
greater
access to capital, increased access to business counseling and
training,
better access to government contracts, tax relief from capital gains
and
estate taxes, and relief from federal regulations."
Bull****!

Ref my post above, wherein I pointed out..."If you compare the voting
records of our two Senators on significant legislation over the past
15
years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy."

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue, and a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated, and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message news:x0uUb.11106
Kerry is a flat-out liar. And that accusation can be supported by
his
voting history. For instance, he says he's a champion for small
business.
Yet, the National Federation for Independent Business shows him to
be
one
of
the nations worst "guardians" of small business. In the 106th
Congress,
he
voted against legislation supported by the NFIB almost 84% of the
time.
In
the 107th Congress, he voted against NFIB-supported legislation 75%
of
the
time. This is despite his website claim that "As Chairman of the
U.S.
Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, I have
fought
to
provide small businesses in Massachusetts and across the country
greater
access to capital, increased access to business counseling and
training,
better access to government contracts, tax relief from capital gains
and
estate taxes, and relief from federal regulations."
Bull****!

Ref my post above, wherein I pointed out..."If you compare the voting
records of our two Senators on significant legislation over the past
15
years or so, you find (ironically, to some)
that John Kerry is to the left of Ted Kennedy."

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

An interesting tidbit:
John McCain voted in favor of NFIB-supported legislation 90% of the time in
the 106th Congress. After getting snubbed by the Republican party on
several issues, he did a complete flip-flop and voted *against* NFIB-favored
legislation 62% of the time.

For the most part, guys are voting their party lines. The Republican party
is much more pro-small business than the Democratic party...at least on the
issues that small business owners say are important to them. Look for
yourself:

www.nfib.com

You'll have to register for a username and password to see the results of
how each member voted, however.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

I'm especially fond of all the
cashiers who can make change without looking at the digits on the
register.

We do too. They're usually from India or China, however.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He
voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that
affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue, and
a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The
results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated,
and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.

Be like a good journalist. A good news article always begins with a
paragraph which nicely summarizes the rest of the story so the reader can
decide whether he wants to continue. What sorts of things did he vote
against?

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He
voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that
affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue, and
a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The
results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated,
and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.

Be like a good journalist. A good news article always begins with a
paragraph which nicely summarizes the rest of the story so the reader can
decide whether he wants to continue. What sorts of things did he vote
against?

NFIB is little more than a Bush kiss-ass group. If you poke around the
site a little, you'll find dozens of references to Saint Dubya the Dumb,
and how wonderful his is. In other words, NFIB fits Noyb's political
stripes to a tee, and therefore its ranking of Democratic candidates is
based upon little-more than its right-wing slant.

--
Email sent to is never read.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a
more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He
voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just
quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that
affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue,
and
a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The
results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated,
and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small
business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member
of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the
NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of
the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.

Be like a good journalist. A good news article always begins with a
paragraph which nicely summarizes the rest of the story so the reader
can
decide whether he wants to continue. What sorts of things did he vote
against?

NFIB is little more than a Bush kiss-ass group. If you poke around the
site a little, you'll find dozens of references to Saint Dubya the Dumb,
and how wonderful his is.

Bush has been very much pro-small business. Of course they think favorably
of him. However, you need to get your facts straight. NFIB was founded
before Bush was even born.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V32012157

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He
voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just
quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that
affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue,
and
a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The
results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated,
and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small
business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member
of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the
NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.

Be like a good journalist. A good news article always begins with a
paragraph which nicely summarizes the rest of the story so the reader can
decide whether he wants to continue. What sorts of things did he vote
against?

It's easiest if you read for yourself. I give you a list of Federal
"victories" that NFIB claims.
Read through 'em, tell me if you agree with NFIB...and then I'll tell you
how Kerry voted on
the issue.

NFIB and small business make the difference in Washington, D.C.

NFIB comes out fighting every time lawmakers and regulators try to
take another bite out of your business or your pocketbook. NFIB members from
all over the country make their voices heard, and Congress listens -- and
those victories translate into money in your pocket.

Main Street Secures Temporary Relief From FPI

With the President's signing of the fiscal 2004 omnibus spending bill,
small business scored another victory on the issue of open competition. The
bill included a provision that temporarily allows small businesses to
compete fairly with Federal Prison Industries (FPI) for all federal
contracts. The new law will be in effect until Sept. 30, 2004. NFIB has
fought hard to give small business a fair shot at federal contracts and will
continue to work until FPI's unfair advantage is permanently repealed.

Obstacles Cleared for Overtime Reform

Small business is closer than ever before to long-overdue updates in
the rules governing overtime pay. Much needed reforms to the Fair Labor
Standards Act would change the way in which "white collar" workers are
compensated. Efforts to prevent these much-needed reforms as part of the
recently passed $820 billion spending bill were thwarted, thanks to the
efforts of NFIB and others. NFIB will continue to work tirelessly to clear
any obstacles that stand in the way of overtime modernization.

Small Business Scores Health-Care Option With HSAs

President Bush signed legislation in December 2003, authorizing the
creation of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Taking effect Jan. 1, 2004, HSAs
are tax-free savings accounts for medical expenses that will allow more
small-business owners to obtain affordable health coverage for themselves
and their employees.

Any taxpayer with a high-deductible insurance plan can contribute up
to $2,600 a year ($5,150 for families) into an HSA account. The new law also
allows both employers and employees to contribute to these accounts. HSAs
replace Medical Savings Accounts (MSAs), a temporary program that had
tighter eligibility and contribution restrictions.

NFIB and its 600,000 members fought hard to create this permanent
savings account program. Thanks to NFIB and others who lobbied on Capitol
Hill, small businesses now have another free-market health-care option
through HSAs.

NFIB Helps Repeal Baby UI Rule

Imagine if your business had to pay higher unemployment taxes because
your state government drained down its unemployment fund to provide paid
family leave to workers in your state. Thanks to NFIB and others, this won't
happen. NFIB helped stop the Birth and Adoption Unemployment Compensation
Rule of 2000 ("Baby UI"), a Clinton-era regulation that could have
endangered already shrinking state unemployment compensation reserves.
Unemployment taxes are paid to support those who leave work involuntarily,
but Baby UI would have allowed states to expand unemployment compensation
beyond its legislative framework. NFIB and others stopped this expansion,
preventing higher unemployment insurance rates for your business.

Income, Expensing, Dividend and Capital-Gains Tax Relief

NFIB and its 600,000 small business owner members worked hand-in-hand
with President Bush and congressional supporters to pass a tax-cut package
designed to stimulate the economy and provide Main Street with tax relief.
Thanks to the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, 23
million small-business owners will receive tax cuts averaging $2,209,
according to the Treasury Department. NFIB members participated in
presidential roundtables across the country over the past several months,
providing input on the small-business perspective and NFIB members and
lobbyists worked to ensure key provisions were included in the final bill.
Several NFIB members watched President Bush sign the tax relief into law in
May 2003. Those provisions included:
a.. Income-tax rate reductions, expected to aid many small-business
owners. The majority of small-business owners file their taxes as
individuals.
b.. A quadrupling of the expensing limit, from $25,000 to $100,000,
allowing small-business owners to deduct more capital expenditures in the
year of purchase instead of depreciating them over many years.
c.. A significant cut in dividend and capital-gains taxes, designed
to spur investment and economic growth.
Due to Senate budget requirements, provisions in the final bill expire
over the next several years, but NFIB continues its work for permanent tax
relief!

Superfund Liability Relief

After years of work by NFIB and its small business owner members,
President Bush signed Superfund reform legislation in January 2002,
protecting innocent small business owners from unfair lawsuits. Before this
lawsuit, small business owners had been at the mercy of an environmental law
with many unintended consequences, including holding small businesses liable
for thousands of dollars in fines for legally disposing of household
garbage.

Fair Competition in Government Contracting

President Bush signed legislation in December 2001 that will stop
predatory contracting practices by Federal Prision Industries with
Department of Defense contracts. Before this legislation, small businesses
could not compete for many items -- linens, office furniture, services --
the DOD was forced to procure from contracts automatically awarded to
convicts. Soon small business will compete on a level playing field for
those contracts. NFIB has fought for increased small business access to
government contracts and continues its work to expand this access to other
departments.

Death Tax Repeal

Credited by both the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times for
putting death taxes on the congressional radar, NFIB helped bury the death
tax. The death tax will gradually phase out over 10 years until 2010 when it
is eliminated entirely. Because of a procedural glitch in the Senate vote,
the death tax will return in 2011. Today NFIB and thousands of small
businesses are fighting for permanent repeal of the death tax.

Annual Deductions

In its first courtroom victory, the NFIB Legal Foundation helped
overturn a U.S. Tax Court decision that would have forced small businesses
to run through a confusing maze of tax calculations, as opposed to simply
deducting certain annual expenses. The Legal Foundation teamed up with the
trucking company U.S. Freightways Corporation and then the American Trucking
Association for simpler deductions on annual permits, licensing fees and
insurance premiums. In a classic David versus Goliath battle, this victory
reached far beyond the trucking industry to small businesses everywhere.

Ergonomics

The NFIB Legal Foundation was part of a full-court press that
successfully challenged the Occupational Safety and Health Administration's
(OSHA) ergonomics rule. Responding to the NFIB Legal Foundation lawsuit
against OSHA and an intense lobbying campaign by NFIB, Congress repealed
this law that would have cost small business owners more than $40 billion.
Instead of making mandatory ergonomics guidelines, OSHA has begun issuing
voluntary ergonomics guidelines. Despite this important victory, the Legal
Foundation continues to watch OSHA to ensure that small businesses do not
receive the brunt of the regulatory burden.

Cash Accounting Rules Broadened

In December 2001 the Internal Revenue Service expanded the kinds of
businesses that may use the cash accounting method to qualifying businesses
with less than $10 million in annual revenues. The rule change will allow
more than 500,000 businesses to reduce administrative costs, allow deduction
of supplies when purchased and eliminate taxes on income never received.
NFIB fought for the change based on a Member Ballot where 83 percent of
members said small business should be able to use cash accounting.

Home Office Deduction Restored

NFIB pushed Congress to restore the exemption that was limited by the
Supreme Court. Because of NFIB's efforts, home offices may be deducted if
they serve as the site of essential business administration.

Capital Gains Taxes Cut

NFIB supported a cut in the top capital gains rate from 28 to 20
percent for assets held 18 months, including small businesses. Assets held
over five years are taxed at 18 percent.

Capital Expensing Increased

NFIB worked with Congress to increase the amount of equipment a small
business owner can expense. Expensing limits will increase to $20,000 in the
tax year 2000, to $24,000 in tax year 2001 and $25,000 in 2003 and
thereafter. President Clinton's veto stopped Congress from increasing
expensing to $30,000 in 1999.

Tax Ruling: ISO 9000 Expensing

Multinational corporations are not the only businesses that contribute
to the global economy. Small business plays a role. But there are obstacles
to free global trade. One of these has been the ISO 9000 compliance
requirement for manufacturers to export. Meeting certification requirements
is expensive, mainly because of the labor costs, which are expended
immediately. Historically, the IRS has held that a business could not
expense these costs in one year but should capitalize the costs over several
years. NFIB took the lead, working with trade groups, to get a Revenue
Ruling from the IRS that permits costs to be expensed during the current tax
year.

Taxpayer Bill Of Rights Approved

NFIB was a strong supporter of the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, which puts
the burden of proof on the IRS when taxpayers seek reimbursement for legal
fees incurred from unjustified enforcement action.

NFIB Holds Family Leave In Check

NFIB helped hold back a plan proposed by President Clinton to expand
the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) by executive order. At present, the
FMLA applies to businesses with 50 or more employees, requiring them to
grant unpaid leave for family illness, births or adoption. The president
proposed using unemployment benefits to pay employees from any size company
for taking family leave at the birth or adoption of a child in states that
choose to participate in the program. NFIB worked to ensure that no state
passed the expansion of family leave to include paid leave.

EPA's Unwarranted Paperwork Stopped

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) requires companies that
handle or store hazardous substances to file Risk Management Plans. This
would have resulted in a $1 billion regulatory burden on small propane
retailers -- with no corresponding environmental or safety benefits. In
1999, NFIB helped win enactment of the Chemical Safety Information, Site
Security and Fuels Regulatory Relief Act (S. 880), convincing lawmakers that
more paperwork does not necessarily mean a cleaner environment.

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a
more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He
voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just
quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that
affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue,
and
a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The
results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated,
and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small
business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member
of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the
NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of
the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.

Be like a good journalist. A good news article always begins with a
paragraph which nicely summarizes the rest of the story so the reader
can
decide whether he wants to continue. What sorts of things did he vote
against?

NFIB is little more than a Bush kiss-ass group. If you poke around the
site a little, you'll find dozens of references to Saint Dubya the Dumb,
and how wonderful his is.

Bush has been very much pro-small business. Of course they think favorably
of him. However, you need to get your facts straight. NFIB was founded
before Bush was even born.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V32012157

I made no direct reference to when your Little Business group was
formed, not did I make an oblique reference. Is this an example of how
you righties start your misinformaiton campaigns.

My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

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NOYB wrote:

NFIB and small business make the difference in Washington, D.C.

NFIB comes out fighting every time lawmakers and regulators try to
take another bite out of your business or your pocketbook. NFIB members from
all over the country make their voices heard, and Congress listens -- and
those victories translate into money in your pocket.

Hehehe. They sho' got their hooks into you.

Obstacles Cleared for Overtime Reform

You mean elimination.

Small Business Scores Health-Care Option With HSAs

President Bush signed legislation in December 2003, authorizing the
creation of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Taking effect Jan. 1, 2004, HSAs
are tax-free savings accounts for medical expenses that will allow more
small-business owners to obtain affordable health coverage for themselves
and their employees.

This is one of the biggest and saddest laughs of all. An HSA is no
substitute for a strong health insurance plan. Can you tell us why?

Any taxpayer with a high-deductible insurance plan can contribute up
to $2,600 a year ($5,150 for families) into an HSA account.

Well, that ought to cover two days at the hospital...or removal of a
hangnail.

Your Little Business group is nothing more than a right-wing scam. And
you fell for it.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

NFIB and small business make the difference in Washington, D.C.

NFIB comes out fighting every time lawmakers and regulators try to
take another bite out of your business or your pocketbook. NFIB members
from
all over the country make their voices heard, and Congress listens --
and
those victories translate into money in your pocket.

Hehehe. They sho' got their hooks into you.

Obstacles Cleared for Overtime Reform

You mean elimination.

Small Business Scores Health-Care Option With HSAs

President Bush signed legislation in December 2003, authorizing
the
creation of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Taking effect Jan. 1, 2004,
HSAs
are tax-free savings accounts for medical expenses that will allow more
small-business owners to obtain affordable health coverage for
themselves
and their employees.

This is one of the biggest and saddest laughs of all. An HSA is no
substitute for a strong health insurance plan. Can you tell us why?

Any taxpayer with a high-deductible insurance plan can contribute
up
to $2,600 a year ($5,150 for families) into an HSA account.

Well, that ought to cover two days at the hospital...or removal of a
hangnail.

Doh! The "high-deductible insurance plan" pays the big bills. The $2600
pays the routine trips to the doc. I pay almost $11,000 for a family of
four (with an 80/20 plan and $500 deductible). I bet my premium would drop
by 75% if I had a very high deductible plan. If nobody gets sick in a given
year, then I would save mega-bucks...which is money that would be lining the
pockets of some insurance executive if it weren't for HSA's. If we *do* get
sick, then it's virtually a wash.

The other issue NFIB is strongly lobbying for are AHP's. Until an
Association Health Plan bill is passed, we small business guys don't get the
same special privileges as is afforded government workers and union members.
You guys lobbied for AHP's and got 'em (in principle, if not in name)...and
now it's our turn.

What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts or a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.

NOYB wrote in message
hlink.net...

snip
NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
-

My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.

It doesn't mean "they" agreed with your group. It means your group
agreed with their positions.

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

NFIB and small business make the difference in Washington, D.C.

NFIB comes out fighting every time lawmakers and regulators try to
take another bite out of your business or your pocketbook. NFIB members
from
all over the country make their voices heard, and Congress listens --
and
those victories translate into money in your pocket.

Hehehe. They sho' got their hooks into you.

Obstacles Cleared for Overtime Reform

You mean elimination.

Small Business Scores Health-Care Option With HSAs

President Bush signed legislation in December 2003, authorizing
the
creation of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Taking effect Jan. 1, 2004,
HSAs
are tax-free savings accounts for medical expenses that will allow more
small-business owners to obtain affordable health coverage for
themselves
and their employees.

This is one of the biggest and saddest laughs of all. An HSA is no
substitute for a strong health insurance plan. Can you tell us why?

Any taxpayer with a high-deductible insurance plan can contribute
up
to $2,600 a year ($5,150 for families) into an HSA account.

Well, that ought to cover two days at the hospital...or removal of a
hangnail.

Doh! The "high-deductible insurance plan" pays the big bills. The $2600
pays the routine trips to the doc. I pay almost $11,000 for a family of
four (with an 80/20 plan and $500 deductible). I bet my premium would drop
by 75% if I had a very high deductible plan. If nobody gets sick in a given
year, then I would save mega-bucks...which is money that would be lining the
pockets of some insurance executive if it weren't for HSA's. If we *do* get
sick, then it's virtually a wash.

The other issue NFIB is strongly lobbying for are AHP's. Until an
Association Health Plan bill is passed, we small business guys don't get the
same special privileges as is afforded government workers and union members.
You guys lobbied for AHP's and got 'em (in principle, if not in name)...and
now it's our turn.

Indeed, AHP's are promising. A really serious problem these days is that
the cost of pharmaceuticals for covered employees now costs health plans
about the same as hopsitalization. This is leading to caps and higher
co-pays for some.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts or
a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.

Why must you always be such a dim bulb? The "unionized working class" would
not have jobs if not for small businesses. Here's some stats for you:

Small firms (less than 500 employees)

a.. Represent more than 99.7 percent of all employers.
a.. Employ more than half of all private sector employees
a.. Pay 44.5 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
a.. Generate 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually.
a.. Create more than 50 percent of nonfarm private gross domestic product
(GDP).
a.. Supplied 22.8 percent of the total value of federal prime contracts
(about $50 billion) in FY 2001.
a.. Produce 13 to 14 times more patents per employee than large patenting
firms. These patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among
the one percent most cited.
a.. Are employers of 39 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists,
engineers, and computer workers ) .
a.. Are 53 percent home-based and 3 percent franchises.
a.. Made up 97 percent of all identified exporters and produced 29 percent
of the known export value in FY 2001.

http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/sbfaq.html

NOYB wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts or
a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.

Why must you always be such a dim bulb? The "unionized working class" would
not have jobs if not for small businesses. Here's some stats for you:

Actually, you have it backwards. If it weren't for workers, there
wouldn't be any small businesses, or large businesses, for that matter.
You can have a society in which every man or woman is his or her own
producer (a farmer, a sawyer, a cobbler, et cetera, who trades with
others for sustenance, and without anything but the smallest family
businesses, but you cannot have most small or any medium or large
businesses without workers. We had such a business-less society when
this country was first settled.

Capital is subservient to labor.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
-

My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an
opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what
issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of
those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB
keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress
before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply
doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.

It doesn't mean "they" agreed with your group. It means your group
agreed with their positions.

No, actually you're wrong. Lobbying groups have a pretty strong effect on
what gets passed in Congress. Fortune rated NFIB the nation's most powerful
business lobbying group...and the third most powerful lobbying group
overall...second only to the NRA, and AARP, respectively.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/power25

The Top 15:
1) NRA
2) AARP
3) NFIB
4) American Israel Public Affairs Committee
5) Assoc. of Trial Lawyers of America
6) AFL-CIO
7) Chamber of Commerce of the USA
8) National Beer Wholesalers Association
9) Nat'l Assn. of Realtors
10)National Assn. of Manufacturers
11)National Assn. of Home Builders of the US
12)American Medical Association
13)American Hospital Association (formerly ranked 31st)
14)NEA
15)American Farm Bureau Federation