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Keep in mind that this resolution was passed *after* the armed
conflict
with
Iraq...and had a near-unanimous vote from Congress (only 4 "nays").

Pussies, except for the 4 nays.

I'm sure a Grocer from upstate NY has a better grasp on the dangers that
Syria poses to order in the Middle East.



Surely you don't believe that most of the legislation passed is done for
idealistic reasons, do you? Are you that naiive?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Keep in mind that this resolution was passed *after* the armed
conflict
with
Iraq...and had a near-unanimous vote from Congress (only 4 "nays").

Pussies, except for the 4 nays.

I'm sure a Grocer from upstate NY has a better grasp on the dangers that
Syria poses to order in the Middle East.



Surely you don't believe that most of the legislation passed is done for
idealistic reasons, do you? Are you that naiive?

Actually, I didn't mean to insult you. I meant to imply that Congressmen
are a little better informed than you.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...


Keep in mind that this resolution was passed *after* the armed
conflict
with
Iraq...and had a near-unanimous vote from Congress (only 4
"nays").

Pussies, except for the 4 nays.

I'm sure a Grocer from upstate NY has a better grasp on the dangers
that
Syria poses to order in the Middle East.



Surely you don't believe that most of the legislation passed is done for
idealistic reasons, do you? Are you that naiive?

Actually, I didn't mean to insult you. I meant to imply that Congressmen
are a little better informed than you.

Better informed. That probably explains why they quickly adopt legislation
which is virtually guaranteed to divide the country and keep the Supreme
Court busy for decades. They must think about these things long and hard in
between cocktails.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...


Keep in mind that this resolution was passed *after* the armed
conflict
with
Iraq...and had a near-unanimous vote from Congress (only 4
"nays").

Pussies, except for the 4 nays.

I'm sure a Grocer from upstate NY has a better grasp on the dangers
that
Syria poses to order in the Middle East.



Surely you don't believe that most of the legislation passed is done
for
idealistic reasons, do you? Are you that naiive?

Actually, I didn't mean to insult you. I meant to imply that
Congressmen
are a little better informed than you.

Better informed. That probably explains why they quickly adopt legislation
which is virtually guaranteed to divide the country and keep the Supreme
Court busy for decades. They must think about these things long and hard
in
between cocktails.

They have better access to Top Secret documents than you or I...unless, of
course, you're a writer for the Washington Post or NY Times.

NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...


Keep in mind that this resolution was passed *after* the armed
conflict
with
Iraq...and had a near-unanimous vote from Congress (only 4
"nays").

Pussies, except for the 4 nays.

I'm sure a Grocer from upstate NY has a better grasp on the dangers
that
Syria poses to order in the Middle East.



Surely you don't believe that most of the legislation passed is done
for
idealistic reasons, do you? Are you that naiive?

Actually, I didn't mean to insult you. I meant to imply that
Congressmen
are a little better informed than you.

Better informed. That probably explains why they quickly adopt legislation
which is virtually guaranteed to divide the country and keep the Supreme
Court busy for decades. They must think about these things long and hard
in
between cocktails.

They have better access to Top Secret documents than you or I...unless, of
course, you're a writer for the Washington Post or NY Times.



Too bad no one in the Bush Administration knows how to interpret intel,
or decide whether it is for real or for ****...


"There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United
States."
- White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03

"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
President Bush, 7/17/03

Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
- White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03

"Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we
removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
- President Bush, 7/2/03

"Absolutely."
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an
"imminent threat," 5/7/03

"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
- President Bush 4/24/03

"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03

"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and
its threat to the region and the world is ended."
- Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03

"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not
live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with
weapons of mass murder."
- President Bush, 3/19/03

"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat
to the security of free nations."
- President Bush, 3/16/03

"This is about imminent threat."
- White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03

Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/31/03

Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/30/03

Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
- Vice President Cheney, 1/30/03

"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has
the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different
methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking
significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03

"Well, of course he is."
- White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the
question “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that
part of the world or to Americans right here at home?”, 1/26/03

"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a
threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world
that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the
United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and
stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both
repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is
unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking
the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with
weapons of mass destruction."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03

"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. …Iraq is a threat, a real
threat."
- President Bush, 1/3/03

"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed
by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to
kill thousands."
- President Bush, 11/23/02

"I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September
11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on
September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or
three months before or six months before? When did the attack on
September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward
a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it
such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02

"Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
- President Bush, 11/3/02

"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
- President Bush, 11/1/02

"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to
American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
- President Bush, 10/28/02

"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
- President Bush, 10/16/02

"There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone
because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place.
Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical
weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
- President Bush, 10/7/02

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02

"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
- President Bush, 10/2/02

"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly
imagined."
- President Bush, 9/26/02

"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the
security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of
Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent -
that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I
would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the
immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons. "
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02


"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and
biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear
weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of
inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein
can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must
not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful
thinking or to willful blindness."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 8


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Lest we forget:

You mean...the Democrats were saying things like this:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We
want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal
here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest
security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times
since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively
to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction
programs."

- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom
Daschle, John
Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition,
Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the
cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will
threaten
the United States and our allies."

- Letter to President Bush, Signed by (FORMER) Sen. Bob Graham (D,
FL,) and
others,
December 5, 2001


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction
and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002


"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam
is in
power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002


"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
real
and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within
the
next five years . We also should remember we have always
underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002


"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy
his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap
ons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He
has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al
Qaeda
members
... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
real
...."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003





John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"NOYB" wrote in message
news

Actually, I didn't mean to insult you. I meant to imply that
Congressmen
are a little better informed than you.

Better informed. That probably explains why they quickly adopt
legislation
which is virtually guaranteed to divide the country and keep the Supreme
Court busy for decades. They must think about these things long and hard
in
between cocktails.

They have better access to Top Secret documents than you or I...unless, of
course, you're a writer for the Washington Post or NY Times.



Let's try this, to clarify things. Tell me if this statement is largely
true, or largely false:

Legislators often enact laws to cater to the current fears of their
constituents, even if those laws are poorly thought out and are almost
guaranteed to be eliminated or modified soon thereafter.