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"Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Krause wrote: The name of the boat is not "You Ho," it is "Yo Ho," and the name incorporates a graphic of a pirate. So you are saying that pirates are ho's. As a part time pirate I am very offended by this statement! Chris :) I agree. But I think he is saying it is a depiction pirate soliciting a prostitute, as in "YO.....Ho!". I wonder if the pirate has a woody? Regardless, what a stupid thing to put on a boat. |
ROFLMAO, that last thing that is is racist.
It was using street expressions used by whites, blacks, browns, yellows and purples. It appears that HaKrause is a racist. ************** Depends on context and intent. Example: Two African American teenagers meet on the street and one greets the other with, "What's up, ******?" They'll laugh and joke and go on their respective ways..... I (older white guy) meet either one of the same two teenagers on the street and say, "What's up, ******?" and all hell is likely to break loose. To take the position that anybody should be able to say anything about a group that certain members of that group say about themselves and that doing so is not racist would be like stating that because you have sex with your wife I should be free to do so as well. Some of that trash talk is culturally proprietary. Blacks use the word "******" with one another, IMO, because it was a reasonably effective way to take the sting out of a word that has always meant, "inferior, subhuman, ignorant slave". IMO, the use of this word between two blacks is an attempt to change its meaning over a period of time to "brother of common heritage." (This is somewhat the same concept that Christians applied when they turned the cross- the structure upon which Jesus was executed- into the main symbol for the religion and a positive, rather than a fearful, sign). When a white says "******", he can't mean "brother of common heritage" and so the original,spiteful meaning is always assumed to apply. Was the joke racist? Possibly. Almost any time a white guy needs to shift into the feigned, stereotypical accent of an African American, Asian, Mexican, etc to get a laugh there is a strong liklihood that the humor is racist in nature. I'd be surprised if JohnH could tell that joke to a classroom of schoolkids in Baltimore. |
Since when was being a whore a matter of race or skin color?
****************** The racist portion of the joke wasn't the reference to prostitution, it was the need to use the stereotypical accent and slang associated with African Americans (ebonics) to make a very poor pun. Litmus test: Could JohnH tell that joke to a class of mixed race teenagers while subbing at a public school and expect there to be no reaction? (Beyond the predictable lack of laughter, of course). |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Krause wrote: The name of the boat is not "You Ho," it is "Yo Ho," and the name incorporates a graphic of a pirate. So you are saying that pirates are ho's. As a part time pirate I am very offended by this statement! Chris :) I agree. But I think he is saying it is a depiction of a pirate soliciting a prostitute, as in "YO.....Ho!". I wonder if the pirate has a woody? Regardless, what a stupid thing to put on a boat. edit |
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:26:12 -0500, "N S Sherlock" no****sherlock.com wrote:
"HaKrause" wrote in message ... Nope, just the ones in which you expose your hypocrisy. Harry, Does the expression that would be the "Pot calling the kettle black" mean anything to you? Sounds like Harry's still ****ed 'cause I wouldn't go on his boat with him. Oh well. This is just a case of the pot calling names. His 'hypocrisy' allegations are baseless, but for Harry that's nothing new. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
wrote in message oups.com... Since when was being a whore a matter of race or skin color? ****************** The racist portion of the joke wasn't the reference to prostitution, it was the need to use the stereotypical accent and slang associated with African Americans (ebonics) to make a very poor pun. Litmus test: Could JohnH tell that joke to a class of mixed race teenagers while subbing at a public school and expect there to be no reaction? (Beyond the predictable lack of laughter, of course). Give me a fricken break Chuck.....and lighten up. |
Chuck,
See comments below: wrote in message oups.com... Depends on context and intent. Example: Two African American teenagers meet on the street and one greets the other with, "What's up, ******?" They'll laugh and joke and go on their respective ways..... I (older white guy) meet either one of the same two teenagers on the street and say, "What's up, ******?" and all hell is likely to break loose. To take the position that anybody should be able to say anything about a group that certain members of that group say about themselves and that doing so is not racist would be like stating that because you have sex with your wife I should be free to do so as well. No, I did not say any such thing. I stated the expression "HO" is used by people of all ethnic background and is racially nuetral. It is an expression used by people of a certain age, so if anything it was an age related joke. ; ) Harry jumping on the joke was his feeble attempt to appear superior to JohnH. When Harry was joking about the double entendre concerning his boat "YO HO" no one thought it was racist, no should they. Some of that trash talk is culturally proprietary. Blacks use the word "******" with one another, IMO, because it was a reasonably effective way to take the sting out of a word that has always meant, "inferior, subhuman, ignorant slave". IMO, the use of this word between two blacks is an attempt to change its meaning over a period of time to "brother of common heritage." (This is somewhat the same concept that Christians applied when they turned the cross- the structure upon which Jesus was executed- into the main symbol for the religion and a positive, rather than a fearful, sign). When a white says "******", he can't mean "brother of common heritage" and so the original,spiteful meaning is always assumed to apply. Was the joke racist? Possibly. Almost any time a white guy needs to shift into the feigned, stereotypical accent of an African American, Asian, Mexican, etc to get a laugh there is a strong liklihood that the humor is racist in nature. I'd be surprised if JohnH could tell that joke to a classroom of schoolkids in Baltimore. I would hope that teachers are not making jokes about HO's or whores, but I doubt if anyone would think the joke about white potatoes was racially motivated. |
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:24:58 -0500, "N S Sherlock" no****sherlock.com wrote:
Harry, You are the person who stated you liked the double-entendre of "Yo Ho". Now you are saying it is racist. It would appear that you are racist to assume all Ho's are black and only blacks would use the word "HO". Shame on you. Good memory! Now that you mentioned that, I recall the statement. Wow, I'm impressed! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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