A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.

wrote in message
oups.com...
A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

Not true.



As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.


According to Dr. Baden it is possible that Terri was physically abused by
her husband causing her present condition:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/100629.shtml

Without the ability to conduct an autopsy (which will not be permitted based
on a judicial order) there is no way to investigate this allegation.

According to several doctors, including Dr. William Hammesfahr, there is
still a chance of rehabilitation:

http://www.rense.com/general63/tshav.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1358965/posts


What is the hurry in killing her? Why not let all avenues be explored,
especially since the allegations of Michael Shiavo's abuse causing her
condition.

We give that right to those on death row. Why not Terri?

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wrote in message
oups.com...
A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

Not true.



As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.


According to Dr. Baden it is possible that Terri was physically abused by
her husband causing her present condition:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/100629.shtml

Oh yeah. That's a good one. I believe everything in Newsmax.

The far more likely answer is that she caused her own demise through her
eating disorder.

Good detectives normally look at the most obvious clues for answers.
Not the case at Newsmax, where the political agenda overrules logic.

jps

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.

Do you have any links?


wrote in message
oups.com...
A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.

wrote:

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


References re the Terri Schiavo Case

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html -- Best summary IMHO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358877.stm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=531907&page=1

http://www.topix.net/news/terri-schiavo

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440/

Persistent Vegetative State --- not specific to TS

http://www.thalidomide.ca/gwolbring/pvsilm.htm

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/921394859.html

http://www.xenos.org/ministries/cros.../donal/pvs.htm

Jim,
Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for.

Hopefully everyone will now realize the importance of a Living Will. If you
don't have a Living Will, you leave yourself open for this mess.


"Jim," wrote in message
...
wrote:

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


References re the Terri Schiavo Case

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html -- Best summary IMHO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358877.stm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=531907&page=1

http://www.topix.net/news/terri-schiavo

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440/

Persistent Vegetative State --- not specific to TS

http://www.thalidomide.ca/gwolbring/pvsilm.htm

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/921394859.html

http://www.xenos.org/ministries/cros.../donal/pvs.htm

wrote in message
oups.com...
Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


Why? What is the rush? If there is a question about Michael Schiavo
possibly abusing her (scans previously noted broken bones) what is the hurry
in letting her die? Why did Michael Schiavo note her wishes not to be kept
alive some 10 years after her hospitalization and only after he received his
share of the punitive damage award from a jury trial?

Something is rotten in Denmark, especially since the court has blocked any
possibility of an autopsy.

JimH,
You would have to believe all the medical doctors and courts are involved in
this cover-up. If you read the judges decision, it appears to be based upon
medical information and the wishes of Terri.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf



"JimH" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


Why? What is the rush? If there is a question about Michael Schiavo
possibly abusing her (scans previously noted broken bones) what is the
hurry in letting her die? Why did Michael Schiavo note her wishes not to
be kept alive some 10 years after her hospitalization and only after he
received his share of the punitive damage award from a jury trial?

Something is rotten in Denmark, especially since the court has blocked any
possibility of an autopsy.

No rush at all. This case is already YEARS too long. No matter what day it
finally gets over - I'tll be spun as a "rush".

-W

"JimH" wrote in message news:ds6dnZAp1JkOk97fRVn-

Why? What is the rush?