I seldom have anyting positive to say about GWB. I admit it.

In the case of Terri S, Bush is doing what he thinks is right despite a
great political cost to himself and his party.
That's commendable.

According to a credible poll, about 2/3 of the people who self-identify
as conservatives and evagelicals (Bush's base) *oppose* congressional
intervention in the situation. As Bush cut short his vacation and flew
in his pajamas to sign the Sciavo bill at 1 AM, he rather obviously
supports federal intervention. Partially as a result, Bush's approval
rating has nosedived 6 points (from 49 percent to 43 percent). Good for
Bush, he's upholding his principles. When he does something admirable,
it should be noted just as much as his many screw-ups.



(March 24) -- More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as
evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by
Congress and President Bush in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the
brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.

A CBS News poll found that four of five people polled opposed federal
intervention, with levels of disapproval among key groups supporting
the GOP almost that high.

Bush's overall approval was at 43 percent, down from 49 percent last
month.

Over the weekend, Republicans in Congress pushed through emergency
legislation aimed at prolonging Schiavo's life by allowing the case to
be reviewed by federal courts. That bill was signed by the president
early Monday.

Most Americans say they feel sympathy for family members on both sides
of the dispute over the 41-year-old Schiavo, according to a CNN-USA
Today-Gallup poll.

More than eight in 10 in that poll said they feel sympathy for Bob and
Mary Schindler, parents of Schiavo, who want to keep her alive. And
seven in 10 said they're sympathetic for Michael Schiavo, the husband
of Schiavo who says she should be allowed to die.

The CBS News poll of 737 adults was taken Monday and Tuesday and the
CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll of 620 adults was taken Tuesday. Both have
margins of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


03/24/05 08:32 EST

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I seldom have anyting positive to say about GWB. I admit it.

In the case of Terri S, Bush is doing what he thinks is right despite a
great political cost to himself and his party.
That's commendable.

According to a credible poll, about 2/3 of the people who self-identify
as conservatives and evagelicals (Bush's base) *oppose* congressional
intervention in the situation. As Bush cut short his vacation and flew
in his pajamas to sign the Sciavo bill at 1 AM, he rather obviously
supports federal intervention. Partially as a result, Bush's approval
rating has nosedived 6 points (from 49 percent to 43 percent). Good for
Bush, he's upholding his principles. When he does something admirable,
it should be noted just as much as his many screw-ups.



(March 24) -- More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as
evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by
Congress and President Bush in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the
brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.

A CBS News poll found that four of five people polled opposed federal
intervention, with levels of disapproval among key groups supporting
the GOP almost that high.

Bush's overall approval was at 43 percent, down from 49 percent last
month.

Over the weekend, Republicans in Congress pushed through emergency
legislation aimed at prolonging Schiavo's life by allowing the case to
be reviewed by federal courts. That bill was signed by the president
early Monday.

Most Americans say they feel sympathy for family members on both sides
of the dispute over the 41-year-old Schiavo, according to a CNN-USA
Today-Gallup poll.

More than eight in 10 in that poll said they feel sympathy for Bob and
Mary Schindler, parents of Schiavo, who want to keep her alive. And
seven in 10 said they're sympathetic for Michael Schiavo, the husband
of Schiavo who says she should be allowed to die.

The CBS News poll of 737 adults was taken Monday and Tuesday and the
CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll of 620 adults was taken Tuesday. Both have
margins of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


03/24/05 08:32 EST


A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How utterly
ridiculous.

Contrary to your conclusion about the Republicans taking a beating on this
because of their positions come the next election, I think those who took an
opposing view will be the losers.

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they are put
to death?

A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.

wrote in message
oups.com...
A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

Not true.



As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.


According to Dr. Baden it is possible that Terri was physically abused by
her husband causing her present condition:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/100629.shtml

Without the ability to conduct an autopsy (which will not be permitted based
on a judicial order) there is no way to investigate this allegation.

According to several doctors, including Dr. William Hammesfahr, there is
still a chance of rehabilitation:

http://www.rense.com/general63/tshav.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1358965/posts


What is the hurry in killing her? Why not let all avenues be explored,
especially since the allegations of Michael Shiavo's abuse causing her
condition.

We give that right to those on death row. Why not Terri?

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wrote in message
oups.com...
A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

Not true.



As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.


According to Dr. Baden it is possible that Terri was physically abused by
her husband causing her present condition:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...9/100629.shtml

Oh yeah. That's a good one. I believe everything in Newsmax.

The far more likely answer is that she caused her own demise through her
eating disorder.

Good detectives normally look at the most obvious clues for answers.
Not the case at Newsmax, where the political agenda overrules logic.

jps

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.

Do you have any links?


wrote in message
oups.com...
A public opinion poll determines if this lady is to die or not? How
utterly
ridiculous.

**********

The lady died 15 years ago. Her vegetative body remains behind. Aside
from one doctor who admits he is "religiously motivated", the best
medical minds on the planet all agree that she will never advance
beyond a few involuntary and reflexive movements. The human part of her
brain is dead, and without miraculous, supernatural intervention cannot
be restored.


**********

Question: Do you agree that those on death row should be allowed to
take
their case to the ultimate extent of the law via appeals before they
are put
to death?


*********

Yes. And Terri's parents have always had the same option of appealing
the 19 previous rulings all the way to to Supreme Court, just like a
convicted murderer.

As in the case of Terri S, the Supreme Court may or may not decide to
even consider the convicted person's arguments. After examining the
judicial records in the Terri S case, the Supremes have elected not to
hear it.

When a convicted murderer appeals to the SC, there are rare cases where
a person is actually discovered to be "not guilty" (sometimes even
innocent) and it is best to err on the side of life if there is a
question.

In the case of the poor, brain dead woman there is *no* question. It is
medically impossible for her to regain even the most minimal human
existence. No wonder most people (who can do so) state they would
rather die than hang on for year after year as a vegetable.

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.

wrote:

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


References re the Terri Schiavo Case

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html -- Best summary IMHO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358877.stm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=531907&page=1

http://www.topix.net/news/terri-schiavo

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440/

Persistent Vegetative State --- not specific to TS

http://www.thalidomide.ca/gwolbring/pvsilm.htm

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/921394859.html

http://www.xenos.org/ministries/cros.../donal/pvs.htm

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oups.com...
Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


Why? What is the rush? If there is a question about Michael Schiavo
possibly abusing her (scans previously noted broken bones) what is the hurry
in letting her die? Why did Michael Schiavo note her wishes not to be kept
alive some 10 years after her hospitalization and only after he received his
share of the punitive damage award from a jury trial?

Something is rotten in Denmark, especially since the court has blocked any
possibility of an autopsy.

wrote:

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


References re the Terri Schiavo Case

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html -- Best summary IMHO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358877.stm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=531907&page=1

http://www.topix.net/news/terri-schiavo

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440/

Persistent Vegetative State --- not specific to TS

http://www.thalidomide.ca/gwolbring/pvsilm.htm

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/921394859.html

http://www.xenos.org/ministries/cros.../donal/pvs.htm