Wayne.B writes:

That area is a heavily used public beach as you probably know.

Not really public. The area I am talking about is from Atlantic Blvd in
Pompano Beach, south to Commercial Blvd in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea. This is
not "public" beach in that it is all private buildings on the waterfront,
from hi-rise condominiums to small old cottages. It is definitely not a
public park like the Ft Lauderdale beach.

Florida seems to have case law about the "wet sand" being public, though.
"Wet sand" being the high-tide wash and below. This is apparently what
lets you walk up and down the beach frontage that is all private. The "dry
sand" above the high-water mark is privately owned (in this area).

Boating laws being a mishmash of admiralty/federal/state/local
jurisdictions, I'm having a lot of trouble sorting things out.

I have also gotten a written warning about not having flares on board when
I was pulled over for speed in a marina basin. Later I read the USCG
regulations that boats under 16' in the daytime don't (legally) require
flares (although of course it is a good idea to have em).

"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
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Wayne.B writes:

That area is a heavily used public beach as you probably know.

Not really public. The area I am talking about is from Atlantic Blvd in
Pompano Beach, south to Commercial Blvd in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea. This is
not "public" beach in that it is all private buildings on the waterfront,
from hi-rise condominiums to small old cottages. It is definitely not a
public park like the Ft Lauderdale beach.

Florida seems to have case law about the "wet sand" being public, though.
"Wet sand" being the high-tide wash and below. This is apparently what
lets you walk up and down the beach frontage that is all private. The
"dry
sand" above the high-water mark is privately owned (in this area).

Boating laws being a mishmash of admiralty/federal/state/local
jurisdictions, I'm having a lot of trouble sorting things out.

I have also gotten a written warning about not having flares on board when
I was pulled over for speed in a marina basin. Later I read the USCG
regulations that boats under 16' in the daytime don't (legally) require
flares (although of course it is a good idea to have em).

I got pulled over last summer, and got the flare lecture. My boat's 14', and
the regs *seem* to say flares are required. Maybe. I ended up getting them
because if nothing else, they'll eliminate some hassles next time my son's
girlfriend with the short skirt is on board, and we're pulled over by four
23 yr old Coast Guard guys who are obsessed with my safety. snicker

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:11:24 -0600, Richard J Kinch
wrote:
Wayne.B writes:

That area is a heavily used public beach as you probably know.

Not really public. The area I am talking about is from Atlantic Blvd in
Pompano Beach, south to Commercial Blvd in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea. This is
not "public" beach in that it is all private buildings on the waterfront,
from hi-rise condominiums to small old cottages. It is definitely not a
public park like the Ft Lauderdale beach.
====================

I'm familiar with that stretch of beach. It's true that it is not a
park, but is readily accessible to the general population in many
places via a number of public walkways tucked in between the condos,
beach bars and old Florida funky motels.

You wouldn't happen to be a PWC operator by any chance? If so, bear
in mind that careless PWC operation is one of the primary factors
leading to the current state of over regulation.

Wayne.B writes:

You wouldn't happen to be a PWC operator by any chance? If so, bear
in mind that careless PWC operation is one of the primary factors
leading to the current state of over regulation.

No, not a PWC, but a 14' inflatable.

I talked on the phone to a Florida Marine Patrol officer on desk duty
today. He said he wasn't familiar with the ordinance and that he would
call me back tomorrow after he researched it. He did remark that the buoys
300 ft off the shoreline were put in only a year or two ago. Now I wonder
if there wasn't a 9/11 super-security justification for some new strict
regulations.

He also added that personally he thought it stunk if you couldn't beach
your boat. I guess there's a high likelihood than any Marine Patrol
officer is going to be a boating enthusiast in real life, and be
sympathetic to your problems if you're trying to have a law-abiding good
time with the kids.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:02:48 -0600, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

He did remark that the buoys
300 ft off the shoreline were put in only a year or two ago. Now I wonder
if there wasn't a 9/11 super-security justification for some new strict
regulations.

That's a good point. I know over in Narragansett Bay, the bridge
restrictions are no stopping, anchoring or trolling within 500 feet of
the bridges and the Navy base shore. The shore line is bouyed, but
the bridges aren't.

They aren't enforcing it though - it almost impossible to.

Later,

Tom

"Patty O'Furniture" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:02:48 -0600, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

He did remark that the buoys
300 ft off the shoreline were put in only a year or two ago. Now I wonder
if there wasn't a 9/11 super-security justification for some new strict
regulations.

That's a good point. I know over in Narragansett Bay, the bridge
restrictions are no stopping, anchoring or trolling within 500 feet of
the bridges and the Navy base shore. The shore line is bouyed, but
the bridges aren't.

They aren't enforcing it though - it almost impossible to.

Later,

Tom


Navy base in N-Bay? Was it installed after 1970, or was I below, making a
sandwich when my dad cruised us through the bay way back then?

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:04:11 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Navy base in N-Bay? Was it installed after 1970, or was I below, making a
sandwich when my dad cruised us through the bay way back then?

Isn't Quonset Point, the Home of the Seabees, still there?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:04:11 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Navy base in N-Bay? Was it installed after 1970, or was I below, making a
sandwich when my dad cruised us through the bay way back then?

Isn't Quonset Point, the Home of the Seabees, still there?

Dunno. I'm still dealing with the flu. I expect to be catered to for a few
more days. Let me know what you find out about this Navy base. And, send
over a couple of lap dancers or something.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:31:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:04:11 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Navy base in N-Bay? Was it installed after 1970, or was I below, making a
sandwich when my dad cruised us through the bay way back then?

Isn't Quonset Point, the Home of the Seabees, still there?

Quonset is still there but has been closed for a while. I believe
there is a ANG group there, but not sure.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:04:11 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Patty O'Furniture" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:02:48 -0600, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

He did remark that the buoys
300 ft off the shoreline were put in only a year or two ago. Now I wonder
if there wasn't a 9/11 super-security justification for some new strict
regulations.

That's a good point. I know over in Narragansett Bay, the bridge
restrictions are no stopping, anchoring or trolling within 500 feet of
the bridges and the Navy base shore. The shore line is bouyed, but
the bridges aren't.

They aren't enforcing it though - it almost impossible to.

Navy base in N-Bay? Was it installed after 1970, or was I below, making a
sandwich when my dad cruised us through the bay way back then?

It's the Navy's Antisubmarine Warfare Center in Newport, RI. Entering
the Bay from East Passage, it's right after the Newport Bridge on the
Starboard side.

I'm pretty sure it was there in the '70s.

Later,

Tom