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KMAN March 16th 05 04:32 AM

in article , KMAN at
wrote on 3/15/05 11:10 PM:

in article , Melissa at
wrote on 3/15/05 6:03 PM:

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Hi KMAN,

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:23:48 -0500, you wrote:

I can guess what it says. As you seem a reasonable person, it
probably says "I don't want to be in the middle of this discussion
between you two idiots, leave me out of it" :-)


If that's not what it is, let me know, I'll gladly send you my email
address.


That's not what it is. :-)

- --
Melissa


OK! Contacting you now.


Glad I did. Thanks for your thoughtful comments!


Tinkerntom March 16th 05 09:50 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark H.

Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.


I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read all

that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--


It took about 12 seconds.


And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves you KMAN,
He showed us His Love when He sent Jesus into the world to die for you.
You can scream and shout and whine, but it won't change God's Love for
you. There is no religion here, no threat, no control, just God loving
you with infinite, wonderful, boundless love. God's love is free for
the taking, no charge, no membership dues, no life of religious duty,
or conscript service. We rejoice to be called the Children of God and
to know His Love that passes understanding. And this is God that Loves
KMAN as well! TnT


KMAN March 16th 05 02:54 PM


"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark H.

Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.

I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read all

that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--


It took about 12 seconds.


And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves you KMAN


I think we've clearly established that you believe that your god loves me.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in repeating your sermon over and over
again? Are you trying to make yourself and your beliefs look like a pathetic
joke, or is that just an unfortunate side effect of your personality
disorder?



Tinkerntom March 17th 05 12:03 AM


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark H.

Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.

I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read all

that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--

It took about 12 seconds.


And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves you

KMAN

I think we've clearly established that you believe that your god

loves me.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in repeating your sermon over and

over
again? Are you trying to make yourself and your beliefs look like a

pathetic
joke, or is that just an unfortunate side effect of your personality
disorder?


No, I believe God Loves you! Big Difference! TnT


KMAN March 17th 05 12:51 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/16/05 7:03 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark H.
Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.

I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read all
that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--

It took about 12 seconds.

And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves you

KMAN

I think we've clearly established that you believe that your god

loves me.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in repeating your sermon over and

over
again? Are you trying to make yourself and your beliefs look like a

pathetic
joke, or is that just an unfortunate side effect of your personality
disorder?


No, I believe God Loves you! Big Difference! TnT


OK, let's try again.

You believe god loves me.

Beyond communicating this belief - which you have done perhaps 100 times -
what is it you wish to accomplish?


Tinkerntom March 17th 05 01:49 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/16/05 7:03 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark H.
Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.

I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read all
that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--

It took about 12 seconds.

And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves you

KMAN

I think we've clearly established that you believe that your god

loves me.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in repeating your sermon over

and
over
again? Are you trying to make yourself and your beliefs look like

a
pathetic
joke, or is that just an unfortunate side effect of your

personality
disorder?


No, I believe God Loves you! Big Difference! TnT


OK, let's try again.

You believe god loves me.

Beyond communicating this belief - which you have done perhaps 100

times -
what is it you wish to accomplish?


You are almost getting it! I believe God Loves you, TnT


KMAN March 17th 05 02:14 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/16/05 8:49 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/16/05 7:03 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark H.
Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.

I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read all
that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--

It took about 12 seconds.

And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves you
KMAN

I think we've clearly established that you believe that your god
loves me.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in repeating your sermon over

and
over
again? Are you trying to make yourself and your beliefs look like

a
pathetic
joke, or is that just an unfortunate side effect of your

personality
disorder?

No, I believe God Loves you! Big Difference! TnT


OK, let's try again.

You believe god loves me.

Beyond communicating this belief - which you have done perhaps 100

times -
what is it you wish to accomplish?


You are almost getting it! I believe God Loves you, TnT


Beyond communicating this belief - which you have done perhaps 101 times now
- what is it you wish to accomplish?


bearsbuddy March 17th 05 02:33 AM


" Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/16/05 8:49 PM:

You are almost getting it! I believe God Loves you, TnT


And Satan love you, but what's your point?

Mark



Tinkerntom March 17th 05 04:07 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/16/05 8:49 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/16/05 7:03 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Mark

H.
Bowen at
wrote on 3/15/05 5:29 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
. ..
Get well soon, Tinkerntom.

I can't for the life of me believe that you *actually* read

all
that the
SinisterMinister posted?

Mark --and responded too?--

It took about 12 seconds.

And despite your profound parsing and retort, God still Loves

you
KMAN

I think we've clearly established that you believe that your god
loves me.

Beyond that, what is your purpose in repeating your sermon over

and
over
again? Are you trying to make yourself and your beliefs look

like
a
pathetic
joke, or is that just an unfortunate side effect of your

personality
disorder?

No, I believe God Loves you! Big Difference! TnT

OK, let's try again.

You believe god loves me.

Beyond communicating this belief - which you have done perhaps 100

times -
what is it you wish to accomplish?


You are almost getting it! I believe God Loves you, TnT


Beyond communicating this belief - which you have done perhaps 101

times now
- what is it you wish to accomplish?


What belief is that? TnT


Tinkerntom March 18th 05 04:29 AM


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Melissa at
wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM:

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Hi Tinkerntom,

On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote:

Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for

you
on
one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them
interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as
representative of the conservative religious right as you can

get.
I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has

read
his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is

a
ground swell already building.

When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but

are
you
aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter?

Here's a Washington Post article about them:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html

Here's what Maya herself had to say about it:

http://tinyurl.com/6g44n

Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't until

after
she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her

parents
decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the

very
least.

- --
Melissa

Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own
daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as

strongly
as
Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the

best
Dick
can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him weak,

whereas
the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the

strength to
hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful!


Religion is ugly and a deadly poison. Jesus said I came to give you
life, and to give it to you abundantly. So obviously they are two
diffierent things, though some still can't seem to keep them

separate!
TnT


Religion is the term that describes how human beings apply deity

belief to
real world practices. It's all about power and control. And it is

ugly.

It seems that we have already discussed the subject of religion, was
there some new insight you desired to share, by returning to the
subject?

If you do not have anything specific in mind, I ask Melissa a question
off line, that she apparently is too busy to get into. I understand how
that is, however I could ask you the same question if you would be
interested, though I would probably have to rephrase it for the
different circumstances. Let me know if you are interested. You might
even check with her, and she may be able to tell you what I ask her,
and it would save some time, TnT


KMAN March 18th 05 04:41 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/17/05 11:29 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Melissa at
wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM:

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Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi Tinkerntom,

On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote:

Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for

you
on
one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them
interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as
representative of the conservative religious right as you can

get.
I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has

read
his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is

a
ground swell already building.

When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but

are
you
aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter?

Here's a Washington Post article about them:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html

Here's what Maya herself had to say about it:

http://tinyurl.com/6g44n

Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't until
after
she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her
parents
decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the
very
least.

- --
Melissa

Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own
daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as

strongly
as
Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the

best
Dick
can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him weak,
whereas
the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the
strength to
hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful!

Religion is ugly and a deadly poison. Jesus said I came to give you
life, and to give it to you abundantly. So obviously they are two
diffierent things, though some still can't seem to keep them

separate!
TnT


Religion is the term that describes how human beings apply deity

belief to
real world practices. It's all about power and control. And it is

ugly.

It seems that we have already discussed the subject of religion, was
there some new insight you desired to share, by returning to the
subject?


Uh. Looking at the context above, it appears you made a statement about
religion and I respond to that statement, so I'm not really sure where you
are coming from with the suggestion that I "returned" to the subject.

If you do not have anything specific in mind, I ask Melissa a question
off line, that she apparently is too busy to get into. I understand how
that is, however I could ask you the same question if you would be
interested, though I would probably have to rephrase it for the
different circumstances. Let me know if you are interested. You might
even check with her, and she may be able to tell you what I ask her,
and it would save some time, TnT


I'm sorry Tinkerntom, I honestly have no idea what the above paragraph is
supposed to mean.





Tinkerntom March 18th 05 05:25 AM

KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/17/05 11:29 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Melissa at
wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi Tinkerntom,

On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote:

Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for

you
on
one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them
interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as
representative of the conservative religious right as you can

get.
I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has

read
his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is

a
ground swell already building.

When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but

are
you
aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter?

Here's a Washington Post article about them:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html

Here's what Maya herself had to say about it:

http://tinyurl.com/6g44n

Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't

until
after
she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her
parents
decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the
very
least.

- --
Melissa

Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own
daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as

strongly
as
Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the

best
Dick
can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him

weak,
whereas
the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the
strength to
hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful!

Religion is ugly and a deadly poison. Jesus said I came to give

you
life, and to give it to you abundantly. So obviously they are two
diffierent things, though some still can't seem to keep them

separate!
TnT

Religion is the term that describes how human beings apply deity

belief to
real world practices. It's all about power and control. And it is

ugly.

It seems that we have already discussed the subject of religion,

was
there some new insight you desired to share, by returning to the
subject?



I guess that is why I am a bit confused as well! When checking the
daily post, there were two by me at 8:28 am, 3/17, and one by you at
8:36 am, under the title, "Repost: About Scotty". Except I did not
do any posting this AM. and the post are copies of post from a couple
of days ago, so I figured somehow, you know how to repost previously
post comments, and were interested in "returning" to the discussion
about "religion". Something strange may be going on with Google
archives!

Uh. Looking at the context above, it appears you made a statement

about
religion and I respond to that statement, so I'm not really sure

where you
are coming from with the suggestion that I "returned" to the subject.

If you do not have anything specific in mind, I ask Melissa a

question
off line, that she apparently is too busy to get into. I understand

how
that is, however I could ask you the same question if you would be
interested, though I would probably have to rephrase it for the
different circumstances. Let me know if you are interested. You

might
even check with her, and she may be able to tell you what I ask

her,
and it would save some time, TnT


I'm sorry Tinkerntom, I honestly have no idea what the above

paragraph is
supposed to mean.


No apologies necessary. I was also assuming from your comments that
Melissa did email you the copy of what she sent me. It was quite
interesting, and I was interested in asking her some questions.
However, she indicated that she is very busy, and was not sure that she
would have the time. So, based on my previous misunderstanding of the
above posting activity, I thought that if you were interested, we could
pursue my question. I did not want to ask it though unless you are
interested, and I even encouraged you to check with her, and she could
share my question with you that I ask her. That would allow us to get
into the question, maybe more directly, though there would probably
need to adjust the exact question for the different circumstances of
talking with you, vs. with her! TnT


KMAN March 18th 05 05:28 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/18/05 12:25 AM:

KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/17/05 11:29 PM:


KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

KMAN wrote:
in article , Melissa at
wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi Tinkerntom,

On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote:

Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for
you
on
one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them
interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as
representative of the conservative religious right as you can
get.
I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has
read
his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is
a
ground swell already building.

When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but
are
you
aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter?

Here's a Washington Post article about them:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html

Here's what Maya herself had to say about it:

http://tinyurl.com/6g44n

Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't

until
after
she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her
parents
decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the
very
least.

- --
Melissa

Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own
daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as
strongly
as
Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the
best
Dick
can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him

weak,
whereas
the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the
strength to
hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful!

Religion is ugly and a deadly poison. Jesus said I came to give

you
life, and to give it to you abundantly. So obviously they are two
diffierent things, though some still can't seem to keep them
separate!
TnT

Religion is the term that describes how human beings apply deity
belief to
real world practices. It's all about power and control. And it is
ugly.

It seems that we have already discussed the subject of religion,

was
there some new insight you desired to share, by returning to the
subject?



I guess that is why I am a bit confused as well! When checking the
daily post, there were two by me at 8:28 am, 3/17, and one by you at
8:36 am, under the title, "Repost: About Scotty". Except I did not
do any posting this AM. and the post are copies of post from a couple
of days ago, so I figured somehow, you know how to repost previously
post comments, and were interested in "returning" to the discussion
about "religion". Something strange may be going on with Google
archives!


Using google to post to a newsgroup sucks ass, Tinkerntom.

Uh. Looking at the context above, it appears you made a statement

about
religion and I respond to that statement, so I'm not really sure

where you
are coming from with the suggestion that I "returned" to the subject.

If you do not have anything specific in mind, I ask Melissa a

question
off line, that she apparently is too busy to get into. I understand

how
that is, however I could ask you the same question if you would be
interested, though I would probably have to rephrase it for the
different circumstances. Let me know if you are interested. You

might
even check with her, and she may be able to tell you what I ask

her,
and it would save some time, TnT


I'm sorry Tinkerntom, I honestly have no idea what the above

paragraph is
supposed to mean.


No apologies necessary. I was also assuming from your comments that
Melissa did email you the copy of what she sent me. It was quite
interesting, and I was interested in asking her some questions.
However, she indicated that she is very busy, and was not sure that she
would have the time. So, based on my previous misunderstanding of the
above posting activity, I thought that if you were interested, we could
pursue my question. I did not want to ask it though unless you are
interested, and I even encouraged you to check with her, and she could
share my question with you that I ask her. That would allow us to get
into the question, maybe more directly, though there would probably
need to adjust the exact question for the different circumstances of
talking with you, vs. with her! TnT


I think one of the reasons you have trouble communicating is that you are
too brief.



Tinkerntom March 18th 05 06:25 AM


KMAN wrote:
....snip...

Using google to post to a newsgroup sucks ass, Tinkerntom.

....snip..


I think one of the reasons you have trouble communicating is that you

are
too brief.


I agree! :) TnT


Tinkerntom March 18th 05 10:32 AM


Melissa wrote:
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Hi Tinkerntom,

On 17 Mar 2005 21:25:27 -0800, you wrote:

No apologies necessary. I was also assuming from your comments that
Melissa did email you the copy of what she sent me. It was quite
interesting, and I was interested in asking her some questions.
However, she indicated that she is very busy, and was not sure that
she would have the time.


I'll step in here for a moment to say this about that...

I've been sitting on your message for a couple of days because (1) I
*am* too busy to get into an involved theological discussion with
you, and (2) I told you that I really didn't want to get into an
involved theological discussion with you, and (3) Even though I
invited you to *comment on what I had written*, you chose not to.
Instead, you tried to turn the discussion into something else
entirely, and so (4) I've been trying to think up a tactful way to
say "sod off", but I haven't come up with just the right words quite
yet. ;-)

When I call you, semi-affectionately, "The Tinkering One", I'm
referring to your penchant for tinkering with the heads of those you
choose to converse with. It can be amusing for a few moments, but
after that, it begins to feel a bit tedious, and so I move on to
other things. I hope this doesn't offend you too terribly much. :-)

- --
Melissa

PGP Public Keys: http://www.willkayakforfood.tk

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As I have acknowledged, the penchant for tinkering, expresses itself in
many ways. I certainly did not want the opportunity to explore what you
shared, to go unexplored, and I did comment to the extent that I said
I found what you shared, very instructive. I also desired to keep what
you revealed off-list, to stay off-list if you so desired, and so I did
not go into detail here in the group. I assume you had your reasons,
and if for no other reason you did not want to get anymore involved
because you were busy with other things, and were not sure that even if
you had time that you desired to get involved in a theological
discussion with me. I tried to be sensitive to your request, spoken and
unspoken, and sensitively aware that it sounded like you have some
history on the subject, that though it may be instructive to me, it may
be beyond reasonable sensitivities to go there unless you led the way.

I have found your perspective as a paddler, and a woman, especially
enlightening, and appreciate your effort to assist me in my
understanding of certain issues. I did not desire to offend you, and I
am not offended by your reticence to engage me in a theological
conversation. I have found there is a time and a place for everything,
and if these were not in alignment for you, I was not prepared to force
the issue.

I have concidered what you said, and have attempted to mitigate my use
or certain language idioms that may be difficult for some to
understand, or even hear for whatever their reasons, so please do not
think that I did not hear you. My greatest comment is what I have
chosen to do, not only in reference to your input, and any subsequent
conversation with you, but also in reference to others, and in
particular KMAN.

Now I would be the first to acknowledge, that I love to tinker with
peoples heads. Please understand that though the evidence is not always
glaring, I usually start with my own. Also as you know by now, the area
of most dynamic tinkering surrounds the issues generally involved in
theology. I realize that this subject is not equally enjoyed by others,
and their enthusiasm quickly wears thin. However, I feel like I am in a
testing lab, and it is my privilege to keep testing, and probing, and
prodding. Some experiments may blow up in my face, but like another
ENTP, inventor, Thomas Edison, "I just find one more thing that did not
work!" So its back to the drawing board.

Now if you would like to discuss your email further, on-list or
off-list, I would be more than glad to engage you in the discussion, at
your convienence, and your discretion! TnT


Tinkerntom March 18th 05 11:00 AM


Tinkerntom wrote:
....snip...

Now if you would like to discuss your email further, on-list or
off-list, I would be more than glad to engage you in the discussion,

at
your convienence, and your discretion! TnT


I reread your post, and if you desire to have me "sod off," though I do
not know exactly what that means, I can probably figure it out. And I
would definitely reserve any further comments as indicated above, in my
previous post, to a matter of sensitve consideration. The Tinkering One


BCITORGB March 18th 05 05:05 PM

Tink, in reference to Melissa's post:
==================
I reread your post, and if you desire to have me "sod off," though I do
not know exactly what that means, I can probably figure it out.
==============

It means that either (a) Melissa watches PBS and/or BBC America, or (b)
she's a fan of Brit-Flicks, or (c) she's lived in Britain, or (d) she
has an expanded vocabulary or (e) all of the above.

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Cheers,
frtzw906


Tinkerntom March 18th 05 07:51 PM


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink, in reference to Melissa's post:
==================
I reread your post, and if you desire to have me "sod off," though I

do
not know exactly what that means, I can probably figure it out.
==============

It means that either (a) Melissa watches PBS and/or BBC America, or

(b)
she's a fan of Brit-Flicks, or (c) she's lived in Britain, or (d) she
has an expanded vocabulary or (e) all of the above.

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Cheers,
frtzw906


But now I have another problem, whats "'murcan"? Though I might be able
to figure that one out as well. :-)

As to any appropriate reponse, to her request: Lead on! TnT


BCITORGB March 18th 05 08:17 PM

Tink:
===============
As to any appropriate reponse, to her request: Lead on! TnT
==================

Well, just for starters, don't call her a "******", OK?

How about: "Look 'ere luv, I fancies you."

But I really should leave recommendations re an appropriate response to
"sod off" to any Brits in the group.

You see, that's what Canucks are good at; translating for Brits and
Yanks.

Kinda reminds me of watching "The Full Monty" with a bunch of Yanks in
the theater. One of my favorite bits was when the supervisor was trying
to get the choreography right and, finally, exasperated, he suggested
that it was just "like Sheffield United playing the offside trap".
Immediately, the guys in the flick got it, and most of the audience in
Vancouver (find me a kid that doesn't play soccer in Vancouver...) got
it. Most Yanks in the crowd; well, let's just say they didn't know what
others around them were laughing about.

WOW! How's that for OT?

frtzw906

frtzw906


Tinkerntom March 18th 05 08:55 PM


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink:
===============
As to any appropriate reponse, to her request: Lead on! TnT
==================

Well, just for starters, don't call her a "******", OK?

How about: "Look 'ere luv, I fancies you."

But I really should leave recommendations re an appropriate response

to
"sod off" to any Brits in the group.

You see, that's what Canucks are good at; translating for Brits and
Yanks.

Kinda reminds me of watching "The Full Monty" with a bunch of Yanks

in
the theater. One of my favorite bits was when the supervisor was

trying
to get the choreography right and, finally, exasperated, he suggested
that it was just "like Sheffield United playing the offside trap".
Immediately, the guys in the flick got it, and most of the audience

in
Vancouver (find me a kid that doesn't play soccer in Vancouver...)

got
it. Most Yanks in the crowd; well, let's just say they didn't know

what
others around them were laughing about.

WOW! How's that for OT?

frtzw906

frtzw906


No disrespect meant at all, she is definitely a sweet heart, and by
lead on I was allowing her to show me the civilised way of being nice.
I probably need all the help I can get! Though to call her "luv, and I
fancies you", could get me in hot water with my true luv whom I surely
do fancy. No offense Melissa, but I get to live with her, and you are
just a another sweet sireen out there in this sea of fog horns. TnT


Tinkerntom March 18th 05 09:00 PM


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink:
===============
As to any appropriate reponse, to her request: Lead on! TnT
==================

Well, just for starters, don't call her a "******", OK?

How about: "Look 'ere luv, I fancies you."

But I really should leave recommendations re an appropriate response

to
"sod off" to any Brits in the group.

You see, that's what Canucks are good at; translating for Brits and
Yanks.

Kinda reminds me of watching "The Full Monty" with a bunch of Yanks

in
the theater. One of my favorite bits was when the supervisor was

trying
to get the choreography right and, finally, exasperated, he suggested
that it was just "like Sheffield United playing the offside trap".
Immediately, the guys in the flick got it, and most of the audience

in
Vancouver (find me a kid that doesn't play soccer in Vancouver...)

got
it. Most Yanks in the crowd; well, let's just say they didn't know

what
others around them were laughing about.

WOW! How's that for OT?

frtzw906

frtzw906


BTW, I could find you a bunch of kids who don't play soccer in
Vancouver!

I never did understand the game, and I saw it played in Mexico. The
kids in town play it on the street, dodging the cars without stopping
the game. The drivers appear to be part of the game as well. Now if
they could just figure out how to put this on TV, they would have
something.

So translate your "offside trap" for this yank! TnT


BCITORGB March 18th 05 10:08 PM

Tink thinks:
==========
Now if they could just figure out how to put this on TV, they would
have
something.
===========

Tink, I reckon that on r.b.p., one of the last things you'd want to
discuss is soccer on TV. Suffice to say: it IS on TV and enjoyed
immensely (by the rest of the world). Oh, and BTW, "they DO have
something."

As to the offside trap, we'll leave that to another forum or, very
simply: it's like a moving hockey blue line, defined by the last
defender (actually, as a field hockey coach - a game which has no
offside - I find soccer offside rather stupid).

I know that was really OT, but then I felt less guilty when I noted
that this thread is "about scotty". Suddenly I feel like a discussion
of soccer, hockey, etc is quite "onside" GRIN

cheers,
frtzw906


KMAN March 18th 05 11:30 PM


"Melissa" wrote in message
...
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Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!


Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa


You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around
the bend"...



Tinkerntom March 19th 05 06:44 AM


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!


Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I

do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa


You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already

"around
the bend"...


OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT


KMAN March 19th 05 06:54 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I

do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa


You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already

"around
the bend"...


OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT


I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.


Tinkerntom March 19th 05 07:03 AM


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink thinks:
==========
Now if they could just figure out how to put this on TV, they would
have
something.
===========

Tink, I reckon that on r.b.p., one of the last things you'd want to
discuss is soccer on TV. Suffice to say: it IS on TV and enjoyed
immensely (by the rest of the world). Oh, and BTW, "they DO have
something."

As to the offside trap, we'll leave that to another forum or, very
simply: it's like a moving hockey blue line, defined by the last
defender (actually, as a field hockey coach - a game which has no
offside - I find soccer offside rather stupid).

I know that was really OT, but then I felt less guilty when I noted
that this thread is "about scotty". Suddenly I feel like a discussion
of soccer, hockey, etc is quite "onside" GRIN

cheers,
frtzw906


Frtzw, to get back on topic, since your back on this thread, I wanted
to check and see if you ever got a chance to check out those two
previous links that I found. I know that you have been dealing with
important stuff, Kayak rack, et all, but just a reminder of something
to take a look at when you get a chance. I also came across this
interesting statement, that I wanted to share with you.

"Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the
rights or even the salvation of one group over against another. Gender
or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to
determine the believer's status within a congregation. Against a
masculine God, then, a feminine God is promoted by some, while for
others Christian faith is defined or denied by sexual orientation. In
the recent political campaign in America, some conservative Republican
believers went so far as to argue that Christian faith and support for
Democratic candidates were mutually exclusive! Paul would have no part
of such a divisive debate, except to remind all believers that in Jesus
Christ many different people have one faith in common (compare Col
3:11; Gal 3:28)."

This came out of a commentary published by Inter-Varsity Press, which
is a fairly conservative group, but demonstrates an openminded approach
for the nonessentials of the Christian Faith, and was in context of our
previous discussion. TnT


Tinkerntom March 19th 05 07:14 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in message
...
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Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former,

even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was

definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so

I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I

only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful"

way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's

already
"around
the bend"...


OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT


I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.


I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt


KMAN March 19th 05 07:29 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former,

even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was

definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so

I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I

only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful"

way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's

already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT


I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.


I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt


We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)


Tinkerntom March 19th 05 08:17 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former,

even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was

definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood,

so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I

only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful"

way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's

already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.


I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt


We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is

starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)


Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT


BCITORGB March 19th 05 05:36 PM

Melissa:
==========
Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect
==========

I rather thought it might be "for effect", so, in the spirit of an
"over the top" translation, I gave it the most extreme translation.

What isn't clear, however, is how someone on the Wet Coast comes up
with something as unAmerican (nonAmerican?) as "sod off". That isn't
part of the typical American vernacular is it?

Cheers,
Wilf


BCITORGB March 19th 05 05:42 PM

Tink asks for comment on:
=============
"Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the
rights or even the salvation of one group over against another. Gender
or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to
determine the believer's status within a congregation.
==============

Tink, I read over those links and found them mildly interesting. I
found them somewhat lacking in credibility insofar as the author thinks
that "W" and his cabinet are not "Christian" enough. Nonetheless, I
found some of his general thesis plausible: that too many of these
groups are lead around by the nose. For example, the citation you give
above illustrates the point. I'm thinking (but who am I?) that with all
the crap happening around the globe, your god has better things to
worry about that a couple of guys (gals) holding hands.

frtzw906


Tinkerntom March 19th 05 07:22 PM


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink asks for comment on:
=============
"Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the
rights or even the salvation of one group over against another.

Gender
or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to
determine the believer's status within a congregation.
==============

Tink, I read over those links and found them mildly interesting. I
found them somewhat lacking in credibility insofar as the author

thinks
that "W" and his cabinet are not "Christian" enough. Nonetheless, I
found some of his general thesis plausible: that too many of these
groups are lead around by the nose. For example, the citation you

give
above illustrates the point. I'm thinking (but who am I?) that with

all
the crap happening around the globe, your god has better things to
worry about that a couple of guys (gals) holding hands.

frtzw906


I realize that the links may lack credibility from your perspective,
though I included them to show that all is not smooth sailing in the
religious conservative camp. The news media oftentimes talks about the
conservative Christian agenda as a monolithic structure,
unquestioningly endorsing the political right. Fact is it is not
monolithic, and it is definitely fractured, if not coming apart at the
seams. This may be a dirty little secret that the political right does
not want to be made known for some strange reason.

There are essentials, and non-essential elements of the Christian
Faith, so much of the cat-fightin' is over non-essentials. Usually to
the ignoring and being ignorant of the essentials. The essentials in
our Christian Life being Faith, Love, and Joy. You are correct, I did
not see anything in that list about who's holding whose hand. That may
explain the lack of the Big Three in supposed Christian's lives.

I like to check out the faces of the audiences of the TV religious
programs. Usually you find dour faces, which convinces me that I don't
need whatever the preacher is "selling", and I would rather be out
paddling! TnT


Tinkerntom March 19th 05 07:24 PM


Melissa wrote:
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Hi Wilf,

On 19 Mar 2005 09:36:24 -0800, you wrote:

I rather thought it might be "for effect", so, in the spirit of an
"over the top" translation, I gave it the most extreme translation.


What isn't clear, however, is how someone on the Wet Coast comes up
with something as unAmerican (nonAmerican?) as "sod off". That
isn't part of the typical American vernacular is it?


When it comes to vocabulary, I guess I can be a bit of an
indiscriminate "sponge", or "lint collector", or something like that.
Squeeze or shake me and who knows what might pop out?! :-) I've been
to a lot of places, and I've spent a great deal of time in the
company of non-US friends and acquaintances (sometimes living with
them for extended periods), and I read a lot of books, etc., so I
guess I've picked up bits and pieces of local vernacular here and
there, and so "mixing and matching" is usually fairly unconscious on
my part. Other times, I'll specifically choose one type of word or
phrase, regardless of origin, for a very particular reason. It can
be useful to have at one's disposal several things to choose from,
no? (though even when it comes to shoes, I'm still no Imelda
Marcos!). ;-)

Just be sure to stop me if I begin "speaking in tongues", as that
might really muck up the works! ;-)

- --
Melissa

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Who squeezed you for even that last to pop out? :) TnT


KMAN March 20th 05 05:54 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood,

so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt


We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is

starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)


Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT


Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why
I made it?


KMAN March 20th 05 06:01 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:22 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink asks for comment on:
=============
"Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the
rights or even the salvation of one group over against another.

Gender
or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to
determine the believer's status within a congregation.
==============

Tink, I read over those links and found them mildly interesting. I
found them somewhat lacking in credibility insofar as the author

thinks
that "W" and his cabinet are not "Christian" enough. Nonetheless, I
found some of his general thesis plausible: that too many of these
groups are lead around by the nose. For example, the citation you

give
above illustrates the point. I'm thinking (but who am I?) that with

all
the crap happening around the globe, your god has better things to
worry about that a couple of guys (gals) holding hands.

frtzw906


I realize that the links may lack credibility from your perspective,
though I included them to show that all is not smooth sailing in the
religious conservative camp. The news media oftentimes talks about the
conservative Christian agenda as a monolithic structure,
unquestioningly endorsing the political right. Fact is it is not
monolithic, and it is definitely fractured, if not coming apart at the
seams. This may be a dirty little secret that the political right does
not want to be made known for some strange reason.


Well Tinkerntom, they wouldn't want it to become known because they'd like
to keep running the US of A and whether it is commies, socialists, liberals,
gays, or gay liberal commies, a lot of people on the right would rather be
in bed with Hitler himself than "one of those."

There are essentials, and non-essential elements of the Christian
Faith, so much of the cat-fightin' is over non-essentials. Usually to
the ignoring and being ignorant of the essentials. The essentials in
our Christian Life being Faith, Love, and Joy.


What do you think are essentials to the those who are not Christian?

You are correct, I did
not see anything in that list about who's holding whose hand. That may
explain the lack of the Big Three in supposed Christian's lives.

I like to check out the faces of the audiences of the TV religious
programs. Usually you find dour faces, which convinces me that I don't
need whatever the preacher is "selling", and I would rather be out
paddling! TnT


They usually look like they are on drugs. Which makes sense, because you
know a religious belief system is working when its followers are not under
their own power and control.


Tinkerntom March 20th 05 07:03 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article

,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in

message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be

as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed

"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect,

I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood,

so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a

"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is

starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)


Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with

what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big

words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT


Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa

reference...and why
I made it?


The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than
camplete accurracy now and then. I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks
spelling errors, and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the
RBP. TnT


KMAN March 20th 05 08:14 AM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article

,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in

message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be

as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed

"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect,

I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a

"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with

what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big

words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT


Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa

reference...and why
I made it?


The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than
camplete accurracy now and then.


Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks
spelling errors


If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man


Humble too!

because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.


Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato?

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the
RBP. TnT


Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.


Tinkerntom March 20th 05 09:30 AM


KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article

,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article

,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in

message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be

as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed

"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the

former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for

effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily

misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides,

I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a

"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with

what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big

words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa

reference...and why
I made it?


The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make

sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss

than
camplete accurracy now and then.


Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.


I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar

wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of

a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't

figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other

folks
spelling errors


If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling

abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of

your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might

be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.


Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they

would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man


Humble too!


I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think

that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.


Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of

potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as

the
RBP. TnT


Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.


Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT


Tinkerntom March 20th 05 09:38 AM


Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article ,

Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article

,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article

,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in
message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can

be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat

annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the

former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for

effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily

misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.

Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,

he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he

is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do

with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make

sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss

than
camplete accurracy now and then.


Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.


I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar

wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because

of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't

figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other

folks
spelling errors


If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling

abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts

of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might

be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.


Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they

would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man


Humble too!


I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians

running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media

loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think

that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.


Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of

potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the

serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about

Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as

the
RBP. TnT


Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.


Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues

with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming

the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is

critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as

I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the

other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the

edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are

mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about

your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you

are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT


Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on patato,
laughing! TnT


KMAN March 20th 05 08:10 PM

in article , Tinkerntom
at
wrote on 3/20/05 4:30 AM:

snip

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica.


Billy Bob was hardly the first president to mess around. If George W isn't,
it's probably only because he is so incredibly unappealing.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as

the
RBP. TnT


Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.


Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting.


It wasn't a flame, Tinkerntom. Your are getting quite wound up on this
angle, when clearly if you look back over our umpteen questions, you can't
make a case that I pick on your spelling. Had ANYONE made that particular
spelling error, I could not have resisted a reference to the potatoe
incident.

If it is critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.


Again, you are getting wound up over nothing.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful
manner.


I wasn't discussing an issue. I was having fun with a reference to the
potatoe incident.

I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I
do a few others.


Tinkerntom, by all means if you feel that you need to ignore me, go ahead,
by why you would chose to do so on the basis of the potatoe joke will surely
be a huge mystery.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.


I don't think I even have a dictionary here, perhaps a scrabble dictionary
somewhere. I don't use particular big words very often Tinkerntom.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT


What are we talking about here? The potatoe spelling?



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