"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

I only regret that Skipper is no longer around to post how he has been
there and done that on the Sea of Cortez in his highly modified
Bayliner ......
--
Sometimes I wonder if one of the righties here is really Skipper in
disguise.
If we had another poster from Derby , Kansas we could ask him to investigate
whether Skipper is still with us.

K. Smith wrote:
otnmbrd wrote:

Sheesh, took me 5 minutes to delete the "Krause Diatribe".

snipped a whole bunch more

So assuming you took the time to read this now go back & look at the
pics, notice that all the really big waves have no reference other than
the wave & deck??? it's just how it looks, note how any of the pics with
some seascape in them give a more realistic effect as to the wave
heights, & even then sometime people have pics of small boats in not
even mild conditions but the illusion is that the waves are huge.

1. Normally a glass of "Coke" or clinometer will move to a greater
degree than the ship/boat. In the case of a clinometer, if you read a 40
deg roll, at sea, divide that in half to get a closer actual roll angle.

2. On a ship, especially one with the HE of this one, in daylight
conditions, as used in those shots, you generally will always have a
good reference to horizontal by the ability of seeing the horizon .....
it's what helps a person's inner ear to keep them standing vertical when
the ship is rolling beneath them ..... take away that visual ability,
and they will bounce off bulkheads.

3. Take a look at the first picture. The foc'sle, at rest, in a loaded
condition, sits @25' above the water. The foremast is @30' tall. The
ship is starting back from a heavy port roll and beginning to recover
from a downward pitch.
For these reasons, the implication that this wave is 100' high, to me,
is incorrect. By rolling the ship (mentally) back about 20 deg and
following the line of the swell ahead, you can get a better idea of it's
height..... again, I'd say @60 +/-.
It's interesting to note that there is no water on deck. This, coupled
with the fact that this wave blew out a porthole which is about 20+ feet
above the main deck, and the engine was only running at full ahead
maneuvering, leads me to think that they had been running fairly BG
comfortably and this was a "freak wave".

4. Second picture .... seas, 30'-40' range.

otn

Smith wrote:


Here we go again; I suppose it's better than goulds usual deceptive
spam, although it's his same old same old deceptions:-).

*******************

You would apologize for that remark if you had any class. I posted a
link to some interesting photos, making no representation of any kind
except that the photos were where I said they would be. How the hell is
that a "deception"? From any perspective?

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:36:12 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

If we had another poster from Derby , Kansas we could ask him to investigate
whether Skipper is still with us.

============================

I have trace routed a few posters who sounded a bit like classic
Skipper but none pointed back to KS. It's possible he moved or got an
internet service that doesn't trace back to Derby.

The really ambitious could check his Derby telephone listing and see
if its still active.

The really ambitious could check his Derby telephone listing and see
if its still active.


**************************

No listing for Dave in Derby.

Dave worked for Boeing, in Wichita.

When I last saw him here in Seattle, several years ago now, he was
talking about retiring and moving to Puget Sound country. His wife had
family up this way.

Many will remember that he took quite a beating, (probably well
deserved) from all sides, just prior to disappearing into the ethernet.
He went out with some small amount of class, however. No long good-byes
or last minute diatribes- he just disappeared.

Instead of checking the phone directory, maybe somebody should check
the obits. Sad thought, but possible.

otnmbrd wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

otnmbrd wrote:


Sheesh, took me 5 minutes to delete the "Krause Diatribe"

Yep I know exactly what you mean, the socialist union grub can lie &
lie & lie, what's really amazing is that some a stupid enough to believe
him!!!!:-)

..

snipped a whole bunch more

That's Ok with me.


So assuming you took the time to read this now go back & look at
the pics, notice that all the really big waves have no reference other
than the wave & deck??? it's just how it looks, note how any of the
pics with some seascape in them give a more realistic effect as to the
wave heights, & even then sometime people have pics of small boats in
not even mild conditions but the illusion is that the waves are huge.


1. Normally a glass of "Coke" or clinometer will move to a greater
degree than the ship/boat. In the case of a clinometer, if you read a 40
deg roll, at sea, divide that in half to get a closer actual roll angle.

You've missed the point completely, lets try again??? You do understand
that gravity that your ear senses, is just acceleration??? So when a
boat pitches bow down, the deck relative to the horizon is is now
inclined down at the bow & up at the stern. If you were standing on the
deck with your eyes closed all you'd feel was the slight drop in gravity
at the bow (accelerating away from your feet) & the slight increase at
the stern (accelerating towards your feet) You would have no clue as to
what angle the deck was at, save you open your eyes & can see a clear
horizon.


2. On a ship, especially one with the HE of this one, in daylight
conditions, as used in those shots, you generally will always have a
good reference to horizontal by the ability of seeing the horizon .....
it's what helps a person's inner ear to keep them standing vertical when
the ship is rolling beneath them ..... take away that visual ability,
and they will bounce off bulkheads.

Again when the boat "rolls" it is actually accelerating up down etc as
the wave effects it with no external reference of what is true
horizontal you'll never know, an inclinometer won't help because it
reacts to the various acceleration just the same as your ear does.


3. Take a look at the first picture. The foc'sle, at rest, in a loaded
condition, sits @25' above the water. The foremast is @30' tall. The
ship is starting back from a heavy port roll and beginning to recover
from a downward pitch.
For these reasons, the implication that this wave is 100' high, to me,
is incorrect. By rolling the ship (mentally) back about 20 deg and
following the line of the swell ahead, you can get a better idea of it's
height..... again, I'd say @60 +/-.

Well you can believe as you wish but where is the reference?? The fact
water is getting on deck means nothing whatsoever as to wave height,
it's just a function of the boats motion in a fluid. Note in pic one
it's taken to confirm a belief, but not seascape even so it means nothing.

It's interesting to note that there is no water on deck. This, coupled
with the fact that this wave blew out a porthole which is about 20+ feet
above the main deck, and the engine was only running at full ahead
maneuvering, leads me to think that they had been running fairly BG
comfortably and this was a "freak wave".

The old blown porthole story so what???

4. Second picture .... seas, 30'-40' range.

Same boat in the same sea state but you've dropped the waves by half,
just a bit of seascape crept into the pic, if you saw a wide angle with
lots of seascape you'd get closer to the reality a steady say 20 with
the occasion wave atop a swell giving you the 30.

It seems even you accept this is nothing more than a very bumpy day &
most of the action is being caused by the boat itself rolling pitching &
ploughing along.



otn


K

he's your diatribe Krause lie of the day:-)


Of course the big question with Krause's lies is just how does he
come up with these absurd BS stories?? After all it's clear he has no
education nor even basic intelligence, well here's an example;


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.



Notwithstanding it's just more of his racist based abuse of others
he sees as lesser people because of their address, the interesting part
is the endless lies he throws in about the non existent "young bride" lie.

Well look where he got the idea of the "corporate jet" lie; guess
what??? Good ol' Ullico spends genuine unionists money on a corporate
jet!!! & as with all their type they squabble over who gets the most of
other peoples' money!!!


ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. & Construction Trades
Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for the losses.
Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for not
selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.



Remember this is hard working in the main, ordinary honest
unionists' money they're ****ing away then fighting over the leftovers???

wrote:
Smith wrote:


Here we go again; I suppose it's better than goulds usual deceptive
spam, although it's his same old same old deceptions:-).

*******************

You would apologize for that remark if you had any class. I posted a
link to some interesting photos, making no representation of any kind
except that the photos were where I said they would be. How the hell is
that a "deception"? From any perspective?


You are just a deceptive used car salesman who comes here for no other
reason than to deliver spam.

You do your usual crap & well I call you for what you are a person with
no morals nor conscience, sure you're better than Krause but a turd in a
drain is better than him so don't take that as a compliment.

So when are you delivering your next load of NG spam?? complete with
false claims about any manner of detail, fuel usage?? construction
quality?? No you're just another failed marketer living your life on BS
as you always have.

& no don't even waste your time I'll call you as I see you anytime I like.

K


Of course the big question with Krause's lies is just how does he
come up with these absurd BS stories?? After all it's clear he has no
education nor even basic intelligence, well here's an example;


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.



Notwithstanding it's just more of his racist based abuse of others
he sees as lesser people because of their address, the interesting part
is the endless lies he throws in about the non existent "young bride" lie.

Well look where he got the idea of the "corporate jet" lie; guess
what??? Good ol' Ullico spends genuine unionists money on a corporate
jet!!! & as with all their type they squabble over who gets the most of
other peoples' money!!!


ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. & Construction Trades
Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for the losses.
Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for not
selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.



Remember this is hard working in the main, ordinary honest
unionists' money they're ****ing away then fighting over the leftovers???

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The last I recall of Skipper here, he claimed to have sold his Bayliner
to a lawyer. Seemed fitting. Also, I sent him a few emails since, and
none have bounced back.


Maybe we should get all the posters to throw in $50.00 and send someone
there to investigate. I've got time on my hands and would volunteer. :-)

K. Smith wrote:

You've missed the point completely, lets try again???

A. No, I didn't.
B. I disagree
C. Not worth a long-winded argument .... especially if I have to waste
time downloading your "Krause Diatribes".


Again when the boat "rolls" it is actually accelerating up down etc
as the wave effects it with no external reference of what is true
horizontal you'll never know, an inclinometer won't help because it
reacts to the various acceleration just the same as your ear does.

Again, I disagree.

Well you can believe as you wish but where is the reference?? The
fact water is getting on deck means nothing whatsoever as to wave
height, it's just a function of the boats motion in a fluid. Note in pic
one it's taken to confirm a belief, but not seascape even so it means
nothing.

Disagree ...

The old blown porthole story so what???

If you knew the ship and this particular porthole (one of two in that
lounge), you'd understand.



4. Second picture .... seas, 30'-40' range.


Same boat in the same sea state but you've dropped the waves by
half, just a bit of seascape crept into the pic, if you saw a wide angle
with lots of seascape you'd get closer to the reality a steady say 20
with the occasion wave atop a swell giving you the 30.

Same ship, different day, different set of conditions.
Have you considered that your powers of observation may not be all that
good?

It seems even you accept this is nothing more than a very bumpy day
& most of the action is being caused by the boat itself rolling pitching
& ploughing along.

LOL I consider these pictures to show a frequent set of conditions on
the "TAPS" trade route, where all of the action is caused by the ship's
normal motion.

otn ..... deleted the crap which came after this, without reading.
Thanks for wasting my time.

On 9 Mar 2005 21:49:50 -0800, wrote:

Instead of checking the phone directory, maybe somebody should check
the obits. Sad thought, but possible.

==============================

Yes, unfortunately. He was having health issues with his knees as I
recall just prior to disappearing. I was under the impression that
you kept in touch.

He was a disagreeable old coot in many ways but obviously loved boats
and boating which gave him something in common with most of us. If he
has succumbed to health issues, it is too bad he never realized his
dream of doing some serious cruising. It would have been interesting
to see how that changed his perspective on some issues.