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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:27:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Not the heavy seas debate again. NNNNOOOOO!!!!!! :) Later, Tom ======================== Yeah, we all know those pictures were faked by Harry K in his bath tub right? |
BG Careful now, For all you know, "I" could have taken those pictures.
otn "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:27:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not the heavy seas debate again. NNNNOOOOO!!!!!! :) Later, Tom ======================== Yeah, we all know those pictures were faked by Harry K in his bath tub right? |
otnmbrd wrote:
BG Careful now, For all you know, "I" could have taken those pictures. otn "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:27:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not the heavy seas debate again. NNNNOOOOO!!!!!! :) Later, Tom ======================== Yeah, we all know those pictures were faked by Harry K in his bath tub right? Here we go again; I suppose it's better than goulds usual deceptive spam, although it's his same old same old deceptions:-). So forget the "scary" pics where there is no horizon because they're classic of how the not too bright get deluded in the first place. Not that the simpletons will understand that the boat is pitching & rolling "into" the wave. Concentrate on the pics where there is at least some background seascape & remember even they are deceptive because save you have an actual visible horizon as a reference all bets & wild club bar BS is off. Wouldn't be a 30 ft wave in the lot of them & as anyone who has actually been to sea knows the harder it blows after a certain point the flatter the wind waves get, as for swell yes a large ship driven with 10s of thousands of HP can dive down & under it's huge mass plough through a swell but so what?? unless you can see the horizon you will have no means of knowing the size of the wave. Even the wave rider buoys which combine a wind wave upon a swell don't come up with school boy stories like this. Anyway believe what you will, gee some here "believe" Krause &/or Gould:-) Which reminds me here's your Krause lie of the day:-) K The Krause lie of the day??? The liar Krause works for Ullico the union Co that tries to take money from honest hard working unionists then direct it to "union" decided projects, so this lie is him admitting how a union organisation was actually funding a political campaign, illegal?? you ask, yeah me too but hey we know how much he hates Bush. Ullico has a history in this also as you'll see in subsequent Krause lies. I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates. Is this just another Krause lie??? well probably like all the others:-) but imagine if it's actually true???? Knowing that he has no "business" of his own just as he has no boat of his own, but he works for Ullico which is supposed to be a not for profit looking out for genuine unionists????? We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Clearly if there is any truth to this then it's the pay & conditions Krause gets from his employer Ullico & probably socialists being socialists they pay all the employees the same!!! So here we have hard working unionists being levied by their unions, who give the money to the likes of Ullico who then pay their uneducated lying staff such as Krause as per his own claims in his own words above, this is sad in the extreme. If you are in a union better start asking questions big time it's your retirement they're ****ing against the wall, by paying themselves; Even some in the NG found this lie over the top & said so; Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Even after that!!! not our lying Krause he just continues with the previous line that his employer is putting big bucks into a political campaign, how so??? they're a not for profit with tax concessions to boot!!! it's illegal!!! send in the Feds!!! simple as that & remember all you unionists it's "your" money they're spending without your knowledge much less permission on "their" political campaign!!! So lying Krause continues & adds even more insight into what happens to "your" money when it goes to the unions:-); Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. In this case I suggest Krause just admits it's another of his lies before any of his little socialist mates get nailed???? |
K. Smith wrote: otnmbrd wrote: BG Careful now, For all you know, "I" could have taken those pictures. I see that YOU haven't gotten on board with JimH's pitch for a more civil, no name-calling, no lying about others rec.boats. |
Haven't made too many trips on that ship's normal route, I'd guess (North
Pacific)? Couple of things to help you judge the wave heights .... The ship is 201m LOA with a height of eye for the bridge of @ 24m. Having a horizon can be a great help, but so can, using the ship's dimensions. otn BTW, that's a 50,000 ton tanker with only 11,500 SHP "K. Smith" wrote in message ... otnmbrd wrote: BG Careful now, For all you know, "I" could have taken those pictures. otn "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:27:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not the heavy seas debate again. NNNNOOOOO!!!!!! :) Later, Tom ======================== Yeah, we all know those pictures were faked by Harry K in his bath tub right? Here we go again; I suppose it's better than goulds usual deceptive spam, although it's his same old same old deceptions:-). So forget the "scary" pics where there is no horizon because they're classic of how the not too bright get deluded in the first place. Not that the simpletons will understand that the boat is pitching & rolling "into" the wave. Concentrate on the pics where there is at least some background seascape & remember even they are deceptive because save you have an actual visible horizon as a reference all bets & wild club bar BS is off. Wouldn't be a 30 ft wave in the lot of them & as anyone who has actually been to sea knows the harder it blows after a certain point the flatter the wind waves get, as for swell yes a large ship driven with 10s of thousands of HP can dive down & under it's huge mass plough through a swell but so what?? unless you can see the horizon you will have no means of knowing the size of the wave. Even the wave rider buoys which combine a wind wave upon a swell don't come up with school boy stories like this. Anyway believe what you will, gee some here "believe" Krause &/or Gould:-) Which reminds me here's your Krause lie of the day:-) K The Krause lie of the day??? The liar Krause works for Ullico the union Co that tries to take money from honest hard working unionists then direct it to "union" decided projects, so this lie is him admitting how a union organisation was actually funding a political campaign, illegal?? you ask, yeah me too but hey we know how much he hates Bush. Ullico has a history in this also as you'll see in subsequent Krause lies. I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates. Is this just another Krause lie??? well probably like all the others:-) but imagine if it's actually true???? Knowing that he has no "business" of his own just as he has no boat of his own, but he works for Ullico which is supposed to be a not for profit looking out for genuine unionists????? We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Clearly if there is any truth to this then it's the pay & conditions Krause gets from his employer Ullico & probably socialists being socialists they pay all the employees the same!!! So here we have hard working unionists being levied by their unions, who give the money to the likes of Ullico who then pay their uneducated lying staff such as Krause as per his own claims in his own words above, this is sad in the extreme. If you are in a union better start asking questions big time it's your retirement they're ****ing against the wall, by paying themselves; Even some in the NG found this lie over the top & said so; Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Even after that!!! not our lying Krause he just continues with the previous line that his employer is putting big bucks into a political campaign, how so??? they're a not for profit with tax concessions to boot!!! it's illegal!!! send in the Feds!!! simple as that & remember all you unionists it's "your" money they're spending without your knowledge much less permission on "their" political campaign!!! So lying Krause continues & adds even more insight into what happens to "your" money when it goes to the unions:-); Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. In this case I suggest Krause just admits it's another of his lies before any of his little socialist mates get nailed???? |
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:04:27 GMT, "otnmbrd"
wrote: Couple of things to help you judge the wave heights .... The ship is 201m LOA with a height of eye for the bridge of @ 24m. Having a horizon can be a great help, but so can, using the ship's dimensions. ================ So assuming the pictures have not been doctored, how high would you estimate the waves? |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:04:27 GMT, "otnmbrd" wrote: Couple of things to help you judge the wave heights .... The ship is 201m LOA with a height of eye for the bridge of @ 24m. Having a horizon can be a great help, but so can, using the ship's dimensions. ================ So assuming the pictures have not been doctored, how high would you estimate the waves? I have no doubt that those first three pictures have not been doctored. My guess from what I see would be 60'+/- .... I think the 100' is high since I think the ship has just finished a large roll to port at the time of the picture. otn |
otnmbrd wrote:
Haven't made too many trips on that ship's normal route, I'd guess (North Pacific)? Couple of things to help you judge the wave heights .... The ship is 201m LOA with a height of eye for the bridge of @ 24m. Having a horizon can be a great help, but so can, using the ship's dimensions. otn BTW, that's a 50,000 ton tanker with only 11,500 SHP Ok firstly I'm not suggesting the pics are "doctored" nor that you or other observers are liars like Krause; so I'll try once more as I have many times over the years. (i) Once you are on a boat or a plane you have no real idea where vertical or horizontal are anymore, this is because you are so used to & designed to sense these things from a solid base line. (ii) This is not an illusion it's a real thing because your sense of what's up down or across is from your ear & your ear is a simple fluid bubble level. (iii) Next time you are flying or on your boat big or small, take the time to set say a half full bottle of coke on the dash or deck & watch how much the fluid level seems to move relative to your perceived motion of the boat i.e. it will seem to you that the boat's motion should be sloshing the fluid level everywhere but you'll see it's very very restrained, so much so that you'll think coke (or water or tea) is as thick as heavy oil. Another good example are those little heeling indicators on yachts, they always seem very docile at sea but they're not when you play with them tied in the marina. (iv) Similarly but the other way round, next time you're on a plane making it's turn on final & it's banked well over, take a look at your test bottle & you'll see the fluid level is "exactly" level (assuming your pilot is mixing the ailerons with the rudder properly) The explanation is simple in that the boat or the plane are not just accelerating in one direction & as Albert said gravity is just acceleration. It's not an optical illusion or anything like that, it's just a fact of life that once you're on something that can accelerate in at least 2 directions at once you'll totally loose the ability to know what's vertical & what's horizontal. (v) As big as some ships are they still roll around & pitch around lots & yes like all boats they do both at the same time. (vi) Once you are on the boat, even when you have an horizon to see it's almost impossible to accurately estimate the height of waves. Because as the boat say rolls towards a swell you as an observer don't know this indeed you don't even know you're not look horizontally out at the wave but you are in fact looking down into the water & "seeing" it all as up a wall of water. (v) That's why I suggested you look for the pics with some seascape & any of those give a more realistic "picture" however again you will have no idea if the camera is pointing up down sideways or other & a spirit level on it wouldn't help at all. A seriously technical gyro might but that doesn't apply here. (vi) To those that have actually been to sea in small boats I can best describe this as the what happens when you're busy below, usually in the galley:-) & the boat is tramping along in a brisk following sea. The person in the galley busy looking at what they're doing has no real impression it's particularly rough nor that the boat's motion is any more than usual in open water, the crew up on deck, with a reasonable view of the seascape & the horizon can see that's it's a bit bumpy but nothing more than is expected for the breeze (remember from a small boat your horizon is rarely much more than 3-4 miles away, so the boat's motion readily translates optically into lots of movement) Ok so now their lunch & drinky poos are ready & as the galley slave comes up the companionway, hooly dooly there's this absolutely huge wave gathering up behind the boat & it's looks truly huge, so steep it seems to be defying gravity & is surely about to poop us!!! Hang on campers !!!, but then it just seems to muffle away & go under the boat, with not much more than a slap on the transom. The reason is that after being without a real visual reference of movement for a while (the horizon) if you come up the companionway at the wrong time, when the boat has just had a crest go under it , the boat is stern down on the back of the passing wave & along way ahead of the next advancing wave, however having no reference for where up or down is the galley slave "sees" out the stern down into the trough & then up to the next crest as all being up. So the wave looks enormous & exceedingly steep. (vii) Big ships the effect is even more marked because they are huge you get used to not having an external reference in any weather, the horizon is a long ways off depending on your height above the water & the boats motion is very slow compared to a small craft. So assuming you took the time to read this now go back & look at the pics, notice that all the really big waves have no reference other than the wave & deck??? it's just how it looks, note how any of the pics with some seascape in them give a more realistic effect as to the wave heights, & even then sometime people have pics of small boats in not even mild conditions but the illusion is that the waves are huge. I's also point out that even on a seemingly dead flat day most big ships being driven at speed into even a slight swell will develop a slow pitching motion that ever once & a while will be in sync with the swell timing so the boat will be coming down as the swell goes up & the wave breaks over the bow. This doesn't mean in any manner that the wave was a high as the bow when the boat is tied to the wharf. So that's the story & I guess I've earnt my Krause lie of the day:-) K So just getting back to the Hatt 43 lie:-) What happened was at least 2 of the NG people lived near where he "claimed" he did & said they'd settle if he owned a Hatt 43 or not by simply calling around & taking a look:-) After all his usual abuse & fained "privacy" concerns it was starting to look like his lying hide was about to be hung out to dry:-) This would be more than his ego could even contemplate, so in his desperation not to be caught red handed (again:-)) he then lied again; which despite it being totally unbelievable it allowed his damaged mind to think he was still the big man his lies had created:-) Doubt save to organise employment wrecking union strokes he's never even been to Florida but he desperately needed to get away from the lie mansion & the lie Hatt 43:-) We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... otnmbrd wrote: BG Careful now, For all you know, "I" could have taken those pictures. otn "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:27:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Not the heavy seas debate again. NNNNOOOOO!!!!!! :) Later, Tom ======================== Yeah, we all know those pictures were faked by Harry K in his bath tub right? Here we go again; I suppose it's better than goulds usual deceptive spam, although it's his same old same old deceptions:-). So forget the "scary" pics where there is no horizon because they're classic of how the not too bright get deluded in the first place. Not that the simpletons will understand that the boat is pitching & rolling "into" the wave. Concentrate on the pics where there is at least some background seascape & remember even they are deceptive because save you have an actual visible horizon as a reference all bets & wild club bar BS is off. Wouldn't be a 30 ft wave in the lot of them & as anyone who has actually been to sea knows the harder it blows after a certain point the flatter the wind waves get, as for swell yes a large ship driven with 10s of thousands of HP can dive down & under it's huge mass plough through a swell but so what?? unless you can see the horizon you will have no means of knowing the size of the wave. Even the wave rider buoys which combine a wind wave upon a swell don't come up with school boy stories like this. Anyway believe what you will, gee some here "believe" Krause &/or Gould:-) Which reminds me here's your Krause lie of the day:-) K The Krause lie of the day??? The liar Krause works for Ullico the union Co that tries to take money from honest hard working unionists then direct it to "union" decided projects, so this lie is him admitting how a union organisation was actually funding a political campaign, illegal?? you ask, yeah me too but hey we know how much he hates Bush. Ullico has a history in this also as you'll see in subsequent Krause lies. I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates. Is this just another Krause lie??? well probably like all the others:-) but imagine if it's actually true???? Knowing that he has no "business" of his own just as he has no boat of his own, but he works for Ullico which is supposed to be a not for profit looking out for genuine unionists????? We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Clearly if there is any truth to this then it's the pay & conditions Krause gets from his employer Ullico & probably socialists being socialists they pay all the employees the same!!! So here we have hard working unionists being levied by their unions, who give the money to the likes of Ullico who then pay their uneducated lying staff such as Krause as per his own claims in his own words above, this is sad in the extreme. If you are in a union better start asking questions big time it's your retirement they're ****ing against the wall, by paying themselves; Even some in the NG found this lie over the top & said so; Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Even after that!!! not our lying Krause he just continues with the previous line that his employer is putting big bucks into a political campaign, how so??? they're a not for profit with tax concessions to boot!!! it's illegal!!! send in the Feds!!! simple as that & remember all you unionists it's "your" money they're spending without your knowledge much less permission on "their" political campaign!!! So lying Krause continues & adds even more insight into what happens to "your" money when it goes to the unions:-); Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. In this case I suggest Krause just admits it's another of his lies before any of his little socialist mates get nailed???? |
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