"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I
am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Same here, and I'm a lot closer to collecting than you are. If Bush &
Cheney were seriously interested in reforming or fixing Social Security
(instead of their plan being a subterfuge to harvest campaign
contributions from Wall St), they'd offer that option.



They can't. That's the fundamental flaw of the system. We're not
putting
money away for our retirement. We're paying for the retirement of those
who
are now retired.




Those who are now retired made it possible for you.


No, we have a "Trust Fund" of money. It is a "lock box" of money.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Fits wrote:

Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......AND
'proceeds'...........a 2% return on the stolen money....and chuck wants
to
call it proceeds? He is really giving the current "king" a run for
his
money.

***************

Today's standard: "Socialism is OK when it directly benefits me. I will
justify my suck on the government teat by pointing out that I was
forced, through taxation, to contribute to the government
during my working years and that because I am special I now deserve to
get my money back. Socialism in not OK when it benefits somebody else.
The only good Socialist is a dead socialist, but hands off the
socialist who signs the monthly check for my little piece of the
socialist security system, please."


Actually it is a -0.3% return on your SS contributions.



And if it is so good, why is Congress exempt?

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

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Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism... while
complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists ought to
be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.



Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect.


I buy personal disability insurance for that kind of thing.


If the truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also
collect.


That's why my life policy is for.


And I'll bet you have less coverage, and pay more than SS.

Max SS for 1995 is $1939/month -- indexed to cost of living. Go price
an annuity that will give you that, then price life insurance that will
give you the cost of the annuity.

Then do the same for disability, and add the 2 -- unless you can find a
policy that covers both.

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
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Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism...
while complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists
ought to be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.



Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect.


I buy personal disability insurance for that kind of thing.


If the truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also
collect.


That's why my life policy is for.


And I'll bet you have less coverage, and pay more than SS.

Max SS for 1995 is $1939/month -- indexed to cost of living

My policy is $8400/month, tax-free, payable to age 65, and also indexed to
cost of living.

It ain't cheap, but I know it will be there when I need it. And I don't
have to worry about the government monkeying around with it and paying me a
few cents on the dollar because they mismanaged it.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
Fits wrote:

Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......AND
'proceeds'...........a 2% return on the stolen money....and chuck wants
to
call it proceeds? He is really giving the current "king" a run for
his
money.

***************

Today's standard: "Socialism is OK when it directly benefits me. I will
justify my suck on the government teat by pointing out that I was
forced, through taxation, to contribute to the government
during my working years and that because I am special I now deserve to
get my money back. Socialism in not OK when it benefits somebody else.
The only good Socialist is a dead socialist, but hands off the
socialist who signs the monthly check for my little piece of the
socialist security system, please."


Actually it is a -0.3% return on your SS contributions.

The warped liebral mindset........................getting your own stolen
money back is accepting 'socialism'

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism...
while complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists
ought to be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect.

I buy personal disability insurance for that kind of thing.

Remember, jim is from the "the guvmint has to do it for you, you are to dumb
to take care of yourself" liebral mindset.


If the truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also
collect.

That's why my life policy is for.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Fits wrote:

Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......AND
'proceeds'...........a 2% return on the stolen money....and chuck wants
to
call it proceeds? He is really giving the current "king" a run for
his
money.

***************

Today's standard: "Socialism is OK when it directly benefits me. I will
justify my suck on the government teat by pointing out that I was
forced, through taxation, to contribute to the government
during my working years and that because I am special I now deserve to
get my money back. Socialism in not OK when it benefits somebody else.
The only good Socialist is a dead socialist, but hands off the
socialist who signs the monthly check for my little piece of the
socialist security system, please."


Actually it is a -0.3% return on your SS contributions.

The warped liebral mindset........................getting your own stolen
money back is accepting 'socialism'


....and a tax write-off is a subsidy.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim," wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
. net...


Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at
gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism...
while complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists
ought to be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I
am exempt from paying FICA today.



Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect.


I buy personal disability insurance for that kind of thing.


If the truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also
collect.


That's why my life policy is for.


And I'll bet you have less coverage, and pay more than SS.

Max SS for 1995 is $1939/month -- indexed to cost of living

My policy is $8400/month, tax-free, payable to age 65, and also indexed to
cost of living.

It ain't cheap, but I know it will be there when I need it. And I don't
have to worry about the government monkeying around with it and paying me
a few cents on the dollar because they mismanaged it.

Yes, and that contract is a guarantee......unlike the SS which is at the
whim of the guvmint.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Fits wrote:

Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......AND
'proceeds'...........a 2% return on the stolen money....and chuck wants
to
call it proceeds? He is really giving the current "king" a run for
his
money.

***************

Today's standard: "Socialism is OK when it directly benefits me. I will
justify my suck on the government teat by pointing out that I was
forced, through taxation, to contribute to the government
during my working years and that because I am special I now deserve to
get my money back. Socialism in not OK when it benefits somebody else.
The only good Socialist is a dead socialist, but hands off the
socialist who signs the monthly check for my little piece of the
socialist security system, please."


Actually it is a -0.3% return on your SS contributions.

The warped liebral mindset........................getting your own stolen
money back is accepting 'socialism'


...and a tax write-off is a subsidy.

And your primary residence is not a investment.

NOYB wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
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Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism...
while complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists
ought to be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.



Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect.


I buy personal disability insurance for that kind of thing.



If the truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also
collect.


That's why my life policy is for.



And I'll bet you have less coverage, and pay more than SS.

Max SS for 1995 is $1939/month -- indexed to cost of living


My policy is $8400/month, tax-free, payable to age 65, and also indexed to
cost of living.

It ain't cheap, but I know it will be there when I need it. And I don't
have to worry about the government monkeying around with it and paying me a
few cents on the dollar because they mismanaged it.






May I ask who is your policy with, and what is the cost (compared to SS)