John H wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:15 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


JimH wrote:


How absolutely hilarious. Bill Moyers complaining about what he considers
biased news staions.

I guess he forgot he was senior news analyst for CBS and PBS news.

Sour grapes. The guy is just ****ed that we no longer have to depend on the
3 TV networks for our news on the tube.



To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth" Seems to fit several in this newsgroup.


There are several in this newsgroup who like to see both sides of a story and
reach their own conclusions.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortble, sometimes it's pleasant.


I work out at the local YMCA 3x/week on the sweat and suffer machines
(heart condition). They have maybe 10 TV sets mounted so you can see
them (unless you're at too much an angel). You can listen through
earphones to any of the channels. I usually watch the women and listen
to CNN or CNBC. Except a couple of days they had Faux in place of CNN.
I'm listening and thinking what the hell happened to CNN -- this
sounds like a Republican add. Turns out that in a way it was.

Blindfold me, and play all the major news networks -- betcha I can pick
out Faux. I won't claim to be able to ID any others.

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:32:19 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:15 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


JimH wrote:


How absolutely hilarious. Bill Moyers complaining about what he considers
biased news staions.

I guess he forgot he was senior news analyst for CBS and PBS news.

Sour grapes. The guy is just ****ed that we no longer have to depend on the
3 TV networks for our news on the tube.



To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth" Seems to fit several in this newsgroup.


There are several in this newsgroup who like to see both sides of a story and
reach their own conclusions.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortble, sometimes it's pleasant.


I work out at the local YMCA 3x/week on the sweat and suffer machines
(heart condition). They have maybe 10 TV sets mounted so you can see
them (unless you're at too much an angel). You can listen through
earphones to any of the channels. I usually watch the women and listen
to CNN or CNBC. Except a couple of days they had Faux in place of CNN.
I'm listening and thinking what the hell happened to CNN -- this
sounds like a Republican add. Turns out that in a way it was.

Blindfold me, and play all the major news networks -- betcha I can pick
out Faux. I won't claim to be able to ID any others.

Compared to CNN, NBC, CBS, et al, *any* fair and balanced presentation would
seem like a Republican ad! That's my point.

John H wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:32:19 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:15 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



JimH wrote:



How absolutely hilarious. Bill Moyers complaining about what he considers
biased news staions.

I guess he forgot he was senior news analyst for CBS and PBS news.

Sour grapes. The guy is just ****ed that we no longer have to depend on the
3 TV networks for our news on the tube.



To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth" Seems to fit several in this newsgroup.


There are several in this newsgroup who like to see both sides of a story and
reach their own conclusions.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortble, sometimes it's pleasant.


I work out at the local YMCA 3x/week on the sweat and suffer machines
(heart condition). They have maybe 10 TV sets mounted so you can see
them (unless you're at too much an angel). You can listen through
earphones to any of the channels. I usually watch the women and listen
to CNN or CNBC. Except a couple of days they had Faux in place of CNN.
I'm listening and thinking what the hell happened to CNN -- this
sounds like a Republican add. Turns out that in a way it was.

Blindfold me, and play all the major news networks -- betcha I can pick
out Faux. I won't claim to be able to ID any others.


Compared to CNN, NBC, CBS, et al, *any* fair and balanced presentation would
seem like a Republican ad! That's my point.


GOD! I almost ruined my keyboard when I read that. Fox chants "Fair and
Balanced" about every 5 minutes -- but saying so doesn't make it real.

To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth"

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:33:13 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:32:19 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:15 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



JimH wrote:



How absolutely hilarious. Bill Moyers complaining about what he considers
biased news staions.

I guess he forgot he was senior news analyst for CBS and PBS news.

Sour grapes. The guy is just ****ed that we no longer have to depend on the
3 TV networks for our news on the tube.



To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth" Seems to fit several in this newsgroup.


There are several in this newsgroup who like to see both sides of a story and
reach their own conclusions.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortble, sometimes it's pleasant.


I work out at the local YMCA 3x/week on the sweat and suffer machines
(heart condition). They have maybe 10 TV sets mounted so you can see
them (unless you're at too much an angel). You can listen through
earphones to any of the channels. I usually watch the women and listen
to CNN or CNBC. Except a couple of days they had Faux in place of CNN.
I'm listening and thinking what the hell happened to CNN -- this
sounds like a Republican add. Turns out that in a way it was.

Blindfold me, and play all the major news networks -- betcha I can pick
out Faux. I won't claim to be able to ID any others.


Compared to CNN, NBC, CBS, et al, *any* fair and balanced presentation would
seem like a Republican ad! That's my point.


GOD! I almost ruined my keyboard when I read that. Fox chants "Fair and
Balanced" about every 5 minutes -- but saying so doesn't make it real.

To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth"

If you are comfortable with your choice of major media outlets, stick with it.

The truth is both comfortable, at times, and uncomfortable, at times. With Fox,
you'll get both sides. With your choices, you won't. Simple.

John H

Jimcomma, apparently you missed this. Well worth the read.

Most enlightening! Perhaps some of the Fox News bashers should start tuning into
Fox News' Special Report. Then they'd get to see *both* sides of a story.




Jeffrey Milyo ) (Department of Economics, University of
Missouri-Columbia)
Tim Groseclose (Department of Political Science, UCLA)
Abstract

In this paper we estimate ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) scores for major
media outlets such as the New York Times, USA Today, Fox News’ Special Report,
and all three network television news shows. Our estimates allow us to answer
such questions as “Is the average article in the New York Times more liberal
than the average speech by Tom Daschle?” or “Is the average story on Fox News
more conservative than the average speech by Bill Frist?” To compute our
measure, we count the times that a media outlet cites various think tanks and
other policy groups. We compare this with the times that members of Congress
cite the same groups in their speeches on the floor of the House and Senate. By
comparing the citation patterns we construct an ADA score. As a simplified
example, imagine that there were only two think tanks, and suppose that the New
York Times cited the first think tank twice as often as the second. Our method
asks: What is the typical ADA score of members of Congress who exhibit the same
frequency (2:1) in their speeches? This is the score that we would assign to the
New York Times. Our results show a strong liberal bias. All of the news outlets
except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times received a score to the
left of the average member of Congress. Consistent with many conservative
critics, CBS Evening News and the New York Times received a score far left of
center. Outlets such as USA Today, NPR’s Morning Edition, NBC’s Nightly News and
ABC’s World News Tonight were moderately left. The most centrist outlets (but
still left-leaning) by our measure were the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, CNN’s
NewsNight with Aaron Brown, and ABC’s Good Morning America. Fox News’ Special
Report, while right of center, was closer to the center than any of the three
major networks’ evening news broadcasts. All of our findings refer strictly to
the news stories of the outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews,
and letters to the editor from our sample.

For more info, see the actual study at:

http://www.missouri.edu/~econwww/Wor...0501_milyo.pdf


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H wrote:
Jimcomma, apparently you missed this. Well worth the read.

Most enlightening! Perhaps some of the Fox News bashers should start tuning into
Fox News' Special Report. Then they'd get to see *both* sides of a story.




Jeffrey Milyo ) (Department of Economics, University of
Missouri-Columbia)
Tim Groseclose (Department of Political Science, UCLA)
Abstract

In this paper we estimate ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) scores for major
media outlets such as the New York Times, USA Today, Fox News’ Special Report,
and all three network television news shows. Our estimates allow us to answer
such questions as “Is the average article in the New York Times more liberal
than the average speech by Tom Daschle?” or “Is the average story on Fox News
more conservative than the average speech by Bill Frist?” To compute our
measure, we count the times that a media outlet cites various think tanks and
other policy groups. We compare this with the times that members of Congress
cite the same groups in their speeches on the floor of the House and Senate. By
comparing the citation patterns we construct an ADA score. As a simplified
example, imagine that there were only two think tanks, and suppose that the New
York Times cited the first think tank twice as often as the second. Our method
asks: What is the typical ADA score of members of Congress who exhibit the same
frequency (2:1) in their speeches? This is the score that we would assign to the
New York Times. Our results show a strong liberal bias. All of the news outlets
except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times received a score to the
left of the average member of Congress. Consistent with many conservative
critics, CBS Evening News and the New York Times received a score far left of
center. Outlets such as USA Today, NPR’s Morning Edition, NBC’s Nightly News and
ABC’s World News Tonight were moderately left. The most centrist outlets (but
still left-leaning) by our measure were the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, CNN’s
NewsNight with Aaron Brown, and ABC’s Good Morning America. Fox News’ Special
Report, while right of center, was closer to the center than any of the three
major networks’ evening news broadcasts. All of our findings refer strictly to
the news stories of the outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews,
and letters to the editor from our sample.

For more info, see the actual study at:

http://www.missouri.edu/~econwww/Wor...0501_milyo.pdf


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Wish I could cut and paste from this report. as just one example It
says that only 8% of Washington reporters voted for Bush

Question arises -- HOW DO THEY KNOW who voted for who? If the numbers
are correct (which I doubt) It MIGHT be because the Washington reporters
get a closer look at Bush than the average American.

While U of Mo has a good reputation as a good school for journalism, I
really have my doubts about this report -- one of the writers is an
economist even.

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:21:13 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:
Jimcomma, apparently you missed this. Well worth the read.

Most enlightening! Perhaps some of the Fox News bashers should start tuning into
Fox News' Special Report. Then they'd get to see *both* sides of a story.




Jeffrey Milyo ) (Department of Economics, University of
Missouri-Columbia)
Tim Groseclose (Department of Political Science, UCLA)
Abstract

In this paper we estimate ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) scores for major
media outlets such as the New York Times, USA Today, Fox News’ Special Report,
and all three network television news shows. Our estimates allow us to answer
such questions as “Is the average article in the New York Times more liberal
than the average speech by Tom Daschle?” or “Is the average story on Fox News
more conservative than the average speech by Bill Frist?” To compute our
measure, we count the times that a media outlet cites various think tanks and
other policy groups. We compare this with the times that members of Congress
cite the same groups in their speeches on the floor of the House and Senate. By
comparing the citation patterns we construct an ADA score. As a simplified
example, imagine that there were only two think tanks, and suppose that the New
York Times cited the first think tank twice as often as the second. Our method
asks: What is the typical ADA score of members of Congress who exhibit the same
frequency (2:1) in their speeches? This is the score that we would assign to the
New York Times. Our results show a strong liberal bias. All of the news outlets
except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times received a score to the
left of the average member of Congress. Consistent with many conservative
critics, CBS Evening News and the New York Times received a score far left of
center. Outlets such as USA Today, NPR’s Morning Edition, NBC’s Nightly News and
ABC’s World News Tonight were moderately left. The most centrist outlets (but
still left-leaning) by our measure were the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, CNN’s
NewsNight with Aaron Brown, and ABC’s Good Morning America. Fox News’ Special
Report, while right of center, was closer to the center than any of the three
major networks’ evening news broadcasts. All of our findings refer strictly to
the news stories of the outlets. That is, we omitted editorials, book reviews,
and letters to the editor from our sample.

For more info, see the actual study at:

http://www.missouri.edu/~econwww/Wor...0501_milyo.pdf


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Wish I could cut and paste from this report. as just one example It
says that only 8% of Washington reporters voted for Bush

Question arises -- HOW DO THEY KNOW who voted for who? If the numbers
are correct (which I doubt) It MIGHT be because the Washington reporters
get a closer look at Bush than the average American.

While U of Mo has a good reputation as a good school for journalism, I
really have my doubts about this report -- one of the writers is an
economist even.

Maybe they asked, "For whom did you vote?"

Economists can't do math?

Are you implying you haven't heard about this report in the major media news
reports you watch?

John H wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:33:13 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:


On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:32:19 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



John H wrote:


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:15 GMT, "Jim," wrote:




JimH wrote:




How absolutely hilarious. Bill Moyers complaining about what he considers
biased news staions.

I guess he forgot he was senior news analyst for CBS and PBS news.

Sour grapes. The guy is just ****ed that we no longer have to depend on the
3 TV networks for our news on the tube.



To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth" Seems to fit several in this newsgroup.


There are several in this newsgroup who like to see both sides of a story and
reach their own conclusions.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortble, sometimes it's pleasant.


I work out at the local YMCA 3x/week on the sweat and suffer machines
(heart condition). They have maybe 10 TV sets mounted so you can see
them (unless you're at too much an angel). You can listen through
earphones to any of the channels. I usually watch the women and listen
to CNN or CNBC. Except a couple of days they had Faux in place of CNN.
I'm listening and thinking what the hell happened to CNN -- this
sounds like a Republican add. Turns out that in a way it was.

Blindfold me, and play all the major news networks -- betcha I can pick
out Faux. I won't claim to be able to ID any others.


Compared to CNN, NBC, CBS, et al, *any* fair and balanced presentation would
seem like a Republican ad! That's my point.



GOD! I almost ruined my keyboard when I read that. Fox chants "Fair and
Balanced" about every 5 minutes -- but saying so doesn't make it real.

To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth"


If you are comfortable with your choice of major media outlets, stick with it.

The truth is both comfortable, at times, and uncomfortable, at times. With Fox,
you'll get both sides. With your choices, you won't. Simple.

John H

Yep FAux wing of the GOP -- "Fair and Balanced" -- Like I said i almost
ruined my keyboard. Luckily I had just set down my coffee cup

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:55:56 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:33:13 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:


On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:32:19 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



John H wrote:


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:15 GMT, "Jim," wrote:




JimH wrote:




How absolutely hilarious. Bill Moyers complaining about what he considers
biased news staions.

I guess he forgot he was senior news analyst for CBS and PBS news.

Sour grapes. The guy is just ****ed that we no longer have to depend on the
3 TV networks for our news on the tube.



To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth" Seems to fit several in this newsgroup.


There are several in this newsgroup who like to see both sides of a story and
reach their own conclusions.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortble, sometimes it's pleasant.


I work out at the local YMCA 3x/week on the sweat and suffer machines
(heart condition). They have maybe 10 TV sets mounted so you can see
them (unless you're at too much an angel). You can listen through
earphones to any of the channels. I usually watch the women and listen
to CNN or CNBC. Except a couple of days they had Faux in place of CNN.
I'm listening and thinking what the hell happened to CNN -- this
sounds like a Republican add. Turns out that in a way it was.

Blindfold me, and play all the major news networks -- betcha I can pick
out Faux. I won't claim to be able to ID any others.


Compared to CNN, NBC, CBS, et al, *any* fair and balanced presentation would
seem like a Republican ad! That's my point.



GOD! I almost ruined my keyboard when I read that. Fox chants "Fair and
Balanced" about every 5 minutes -- but saying so doesn't make it real.

To quote Moyers

"There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the
uncomfortable truth"


If you are comfortable with your choice of major media outlets, stick with it.

The truth is both comfortable, at times, and uncomfortable, at times. With Fox,
you'll get both sides. With your choices, you won't. Simple.

John H

Yep FAux wing of the GOP -- "Fair and Balanced" -- Like I said i almost
ruined my keyboard. Luckily I had just set down my coffee cup

Stick with whatever provides you comfort, Jimcomma.