Gee, must be Clinton's fault... yeah, that's the ticket!



John H wrote:
And you actually blame said closures on Bush?

Of course not, poor baby. He's been so worried about terrorism, and busy
making up nicknames for his new Cabinet, how could we expect him to
actually do anything about the economy?

Especially when so many people like yourself will swallow all sort of
bull**** about how they haven't really lost a million jobs.

It's remarkable... you seem to expect to be taken seriously, and yet you
have no intention whatever holding Bush & Cheney accountable for anything.

Try this on your Descartes: The President is either responsible, or he's
irresponsible.

DSK

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:24:09 -0500, DSK wrote:

Gee, must be Clinton's fault... yeah, that's the ticket!



John H wrote:
And you actually blame said closures on Bush?

Of course not, poor baby. He's been so worried about terrorism, and busy
making up nicknames for his new Cabinet, how could we expect him to
actually do anything about the economy?

Especially when so many people like yourself will swallow all sort of
bull**** about how they haven't really lost a million jobs.

It's remarkable... you seem to expect to be taken seriously, and yet you
have no intention whatever holding Bush & Cheney accountable for anything.

Try this on your Descartes: The President is either responsible, or he's
irresponsible.

DSK

*I* expect to be taken seriously? Where the hell did that come from?

Yesterday France passed the 10% unemployment mark. Ours is what, 5.6%?

"Germany, the world's third largest economy, now has over five million
unemployed, the highest level since the economic chaos of 1933. Expected
economic growth of 1.6 percent this year is not expected to improve labor
markets significantly." (CNN.com, Feb 15)

Our growth rate was 3.8% last quarter.
(http://www.globalinsight.com/Perspec...Detail1703.htm)

In fact, the article at the referenced site is worth a read.

Do some reading about the French and German economies, where your heros Chirac
and Shroeder reign supreme, and *then* come back and whine about Bush!


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:24:09 -0500, DSK wrote:

Gee, must be Clinton's fault... yeah, that's the ticket!



John H wrote:
And you actually blame said closures on Bush?

Of course not, poor baby. He's been so worried about terrorism, and busy
making up nicknames for his new Cabinet, how could we expect him to
actually do anything about the economy?

Especially when so many people like yourself will swallow all sort of
bull**** about how they haven't really lost a million jobs.

It's remarkable... you seem to expect to be taken seriously, and yet you
have no intention whatever holding Bush & Cheney accountable for anything.

Try this on your Descartes: The President is either responsible, or he's
irresponsible.

DSK

*I* expect to be taken seriously? Where the hell did that come from?

Yesterday France passed the 10% unemployment mark. Ours is what, 5.6%?

"Germany, the world's third largest economy, now has over five million
unemployed, the highest level since the economic chaos of 1933. Expected
economic growth of 1.6 percent this year is not expected to improve labor
markets significantly." (CNN.com, Feb 15)

Our growth rate was 3.8% last quarter.
(http://www.globalinsight.com/Perspec...Detail1703.htm)

In fact, the article at the referenced site is worth a read.

Do some reading about the French and German economies, where your heros
Chirac
and Shroeder reign supreme, and *then* come back and whine about Bush!


John H


Some additional proof for DSK:

===========================================
Saturday, February 26, 2005

Jeannine Aversa

Associated Press

Washington- The economy clocked in at a 3.8 percent pace in the final
quarter of 2004 - faster than initially thought - and is now cruising at
that speed or better. That could be good news for jobless people hoping for
companies to increase hiring.

In the newest reading on the economy's fitness, the gross domestic product
exceeded a previous estimate of a 3.1 percent annual growth rate for the
October- to-December quarter, the Commerce Department reported Friday. GDP
measures the value of all goods and services produced within the United
States.

The improvement reflected more robust spending by businesses on capital
equipment and on inventories of goods. The trade deficit also was less of a
drag on fourth-quarter growth than initially thought.

Although economic growth in the final quarter of last year was a bit slower
than the third quarters' 4 percent, the performance was still solid.

"We are now at a comfortable cruising altitude," said Lynn Reaser, chief
economist at Banc of America Capital Management. "What is significant is
that all parts of the economy were pulling their own weight."

In other news, sales of previously owned homes slipped 0.1 percent in
January from the previous month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.80
million units, the National Association of Realtors reported. Even with the
dip, sales remained healthy, analysts said.

Also Friday, Bloomberg News reported that 7 million fewer previously owned
single-family houses were sold in the last 16 years than the National
Association of Realtors initially estimated, according to the group's
revised figures.

Resales since 1989 were 10 percent lower per year on average than previously
estimated, the association said in Washington on Friday.

The Realtors issued the revisions after comparing its estimates with results
from the 2000 Census. Single-family home resales last year were still a
record 5.96 million compared with a previous estimate of 6.68 million, the
group said.

On Wall Street, the GDP report lifted stocks. The Dow Jones industrials rose
92.81 points to 10,841.60, the best close since Dec. 28. For the week, the
Dow rose 0.52 percent.

For the current January-to- March quarter, the economy is expected to grow
at a rate of around 4 percent, some economists project.

Analysts are hoping that with the economy moving ahead at a good pace,
companies will feel more inclined to step up hiring in upcoming months.
Economists predict the nation's payrolls will expand by a sizable 225,000 in
February, which would be up from January's 146,000 gain. The government
releases the February employment report next week.

"With decent momentum entering the New Year, we should soon be generating
the kind of job growth that will make the expansion feel like good times,"
said Bill Cheney, chief economist at John Hancock Financial Services.

John H wrote:
*I* expect to be taken seriously? Where the hell did that come from?

Do you not expect to be taken seriously?

OK then, I'll consider you just another retardo clown cheering
brainlessly for Bush & Cheney.



Yesterday France passed the 10% unemployment mark. Ours is what, 5.6%?

How is that relevant? Is France part of the non-unionized South?


Do some reading about the French and German economies, where your heros Chirac
and Shroeder reign supreme, and *then* come back and whine about Bush!


Who said that Chirac & Schroeder were any heroes of mine? Let's have a
bit less straw man and a bit more answering up.

Is the best thing you can say about Bush that he's not as bad as the French?

DSK

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:43:33 -0500, DSK wrote:

John H wrote:
*I* expect to be taken seriously? Where the hell did that come from?

Do you not expect to be taken seriously?

OK then, I'll consider you just another retardo clown cheering
brainlessly for Bush & Cheney.



Yesterday France passed the 10% unemployment mark. Ours is what, 5.6%?

How is that relevant? Is France part of the non-unionized South?


Do some reading about the French and German economies, where your heros Chirac
and Shroeder reign supreme, and *then* come back and whine about Bush!


Who said that Chirac & Schroeder were any heroes of mine? Let's have a
bit less straw man and a bit more answering up.

Is the best thing you can say about Bush that he's not as bad as the French?

DSK

Can you show me a leader who has done *more*?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Is the best thing you can say about Bush that he's not as bad as the French?



John H wrote:
Can you show me a leader who has done *more*?


Easily... any U.S. President, including George Bush Sr. has done more...
OK maybe not William Henry Harrison...

President Bush has taken more vacations than any other three Presidents
put together. He's accomplished less in office than any. What little he
has accomplished has been done by either bypassing Congress, which is
conrolled by his same party, or outright lying (such as the Iraq invasion).

Now, do this sudden change of topic mean that you're conceding the point
that unions couldn't have had much influence on the plant closings
throughout the South? Maybe you're willing to agree that the Bush
economy sucks, especially for working class people?

But maybe you'd prefer to back out of any serious discussion, and be
just another brain-dead Bush-Cheney cheerleader.

DSK

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:33:49 -0500, DSK wrote:

Is the best thing you can say about Bush that he's not as bad as the French?



John H wrote:
Can you show me a leader who has done *more*?


Easily... any U.S. President, including George Bush Sr. has done more...
OK maybe not William Henry Harrison...

President Bush has taken more vacations than any other three Presidents
put together. He's accomplished less in office than any. What little he
has accomplished has been done by either bypassing Congress, which is
conrolled by his same party, or outright lying (such as the Iraq invasion).

Now, do this sudden change of topic mean that you're conceding the point
that unions couldn't have had much influence on the plant closings
throughout the South? Maybe you're willing to agree that the Bush
economy sucks, especially for working class people?

But maybe you'd prefer to back out of any serious discussion, and be
just another brain-dead Bush-Cheney cheerleader.

DSK

You are, of course, referring to 'past' leaders. I'm not.

I will agree that the Chirac and Shroeder economies suck, but not ours.

I believe my last response to you, after your personal attack (Krause-like) was:

And you actually blame said closures on Bush? And North Carolina was even one of
those damn red states! So all those people lost their jobs because of Bush, and
all those people voted for that demon.

Damn, no wonder they lost their jobs.



John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H wrote:
You are, of course, referring to 'past' leaders. I'm not.

I was also referring to U.S. Presidents. Is that somehow unfair?

It would be very easy to find many current national leaders who have
accomplished more for their countries than President Bush, starting with
Tony Blair. I'd nominate Juan Carlos of Spain too, but he has the
advantage of being a real-live sure-enough king.



I will agree that the Chirac and Shroeder economies suck, but not ours.


So you don't think the increase in personal bankruptcies, the net loss
of jobs, the loss of manufacturing, the flat stock market, etc etc are
real? Or do you think they somehow don't affect the economy? For the
past 2 years the only growth sector has been new home construction, and
that's been fueled by record low interest rates that were a trend from
long before Bush gained office. Needless to say, that sector is slowing
down now...


I believe my last response to you, after your personal attack (Krause-like) was:

And you actually blame said closures on Bush? And North Carolina was even one of
those damn red states! So all those people lost their jobs because of Bush, and
all those people voted for that demon.

Damn, no wonder they lost their jobs.


I already answered all that. You seem to keep veering away to side
issues, or is it your tiny attention span?

Bush has done nothing to help the situation with regard to plant
closings. Why should he, his campaign contributors are all profting
big-time from it. So what if the average family is getting squeezed, all
they do is vote, and they're easy to fool... much like yourself...

DSK