On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:51:04 -0500, wrote:

Hi,

I'm considering buying a houseboat with a steel bottom. New steel
was put on 4 years ago, and treated with coal tar epoxy, supposedly.
I was told that the coal tar treatment will last for a long time. Can
anyone tell me if the coal tar treatment is really good for a long time,
like 30 years or something? If it is, then why doesn't everyone use
it? It it's not, then how long is it good for, what to do, and when, in
the future?

Thanks for any help!
David

All my marinas (that I own) will do this work. I warrenty my coating
for 20 years.

coal tar epoxy is unhealthy, 1970s type coating with all sorts of problems.
Use instead modern coal tar equivalents that don't use coal tar as an epoxy
additive


paul oman
progressive epoxy polymers





Steve Lusardi wrote:

Yes, that is common practise. Keep in mind that epoxy paints work well if
not exposed to sunlight. Very poor UV protection.
Steve

"rhys" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:50:56 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

Condensation on the
inside is a whole different matter. There the best protection is urethane
foam above the water line and tar below.

Wish more people did that. I've seen steel hulls with everything below
the cabin sole foamed in, and it seems to essentially trap moisture
and makes a nice damp sponge...with predictable results.

Can you coal tar the entire interior hull and then foam waterline to
hull joint? In other words, will ureathane foam stick to tarred steel?
And is there any benefit to this?

R.




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i agree with steve that u should pay attention to the inside.
1. for the steel vessel, if the do the full blasting prior to painting,
then the result is superior. dont forget the most important thing-
blasting. after blasting u should paint the marine primer then
undercoat and then coal tar expoxy and then to avoid marine growth, u
should have the antifouling painted.
2. Usually boat owner will dock their vessel 2 to 3 years for
inspection of the underwater hull and do some repair that have to be
done during docking like inspection/repair of the seawater intake valve
or strainer. u cant repair this item when the vessel is in the water.
3. coal tar expoxy in my experience is a very good paint and though
there are many new paint at the market now but for me, if the price is
reasonable, u still can use this paint.
4. if your vessel is stationary there, not moving very often where u
will not scratch your underwater hull by those floating wood or
rubbish, then the coal tar expoxy will last for many years but i am not
sure it will last 30 years. if u do the blasting and follow the paint
scheme, then the underwater hull really may last for many years.
5. In my country many boat owners like to use coal tar because it is
cheaper then other new paint system.
hope this will help.

On 27 Feb 2005 07:32:34 -0800, "kese" wrote:

4. if your vessel is stationary there, not moving very often where u
will not scratch your underwater hull by those floating wood or
rubbish, then the coal tar expoxy will last for many years but i am not
sure it will last 30 years. if u do the blasting and follow the paint
scheme, then the underwater hull really may last for many years.
5. In my country many boat owners like to use coal tar because it is
cheaper then other new paint system.
hope this will help.

Yes, it does. I am not so concerned with the exterior of the hull, as
that is accessible and visible. I am concerned with buying a used
steel boat, and on the durability of coal tar epoxy as an interior
steel hull barrier coating. I have seen a few steel boats now in my
travels, and they are either pristine inside and maybe have a couple
of chips and rust weeps on the deck or topsides, or they are
acceptable on the exterior and absolute masses of rust and "orange
foam" on the inside.

I am persuaded that ureathane foam on hull interiors below the
waterline and in the bilges and surrounding tankage is a terrible
idea, because it can trap water low and you can't see the damage being
done by the dampness that never gets out of the bilges.

Preparation of the interior seems to be the key. I've seen 25 year old
steel boats with pristine coal tar epoxy bilges and carefully coated
structural elements that look factory new. Of course, seldom accessed
areas of GRP boats can go decades and look new with just a cursory
vinegar wipeout every so often.

But steel seems either/or: either it was coated correctly when built,
or it's heading for the scrapyard in a dozen years.

R.