Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:

Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?

Good question.

I can't think of is Ocean Master, but that's not a true walkaround.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:15:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:


Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?


Good question.

I can't think of is Ocean Master, but that's not a true walkaround.

By "walkaround," I'm guessing the original poster means a fishing boat
with a narrow cabin you can walkaround without being up adjacent to the
gunnels.

You need a walkway 15"-18" wide to really be able to "walkaround."
That's close to three feet of walkway for both sides. You'd end up with
a damned narrow and mostly unusable cabin.

But the idea is great. One of the few things I don't like about my
Parker is the hike from the cockpit to the bow along the gunnels. Scary
walk on a rough day.

BTW, when I asked the Parker factory why it dropped diesels from its
larger boats, I was told that the increase in hp available from
outboards obviated the necessity for fuel-oil burners. Dunno about
that...I'd prefer my Parker with a nice 350 hp diesel straight
shaft...if it had a keel. I have no use for I/O's in salt water.

The real reason is cost - a diesel is at least an additional $10/15K
above and beyond the cost of a outboard.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:15:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:


Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?


Good question.

I can't think of is Ocean Master, but that's not a true walkaround.

By "walkaround," I'm guessing the original poster means a fishing boat
with a narrow cabin you can walkaround without being up adjacent to the
gunnels.

You need a walkway 15"-18" wide to really be able to "walkaround."
That's close to three feet of walkway for both sides. You'd end up with
a damned narrow and mostly unusable cabin.

But the idea is great. One of the few things I don't like about my
Parker is the hike from the cockpit to the bow along the gunnels. Scary
walk on a rough day.

BTW, when I asked the Parker factory why it dropped diesels from its
larger boats, I was told that the increase in hp available from
outboards obviated the necessity for fuel-oil burners. Dunno about
that...I'd prefer my Parker with a nice 350 hp diesel straight
shaft...if it had a keel. I have no use for I/O's in salt water.

Peter,

FYI, I wouldn't trust anything Krause has to say about boats. He is a proven
liar in this group, and known as a fake. He has been caught many times
plagiarizing photos and text. If he's not spewing lies, he's posting OT, or
insulting someone who disagrees with him. He contributes nothing worthwhile
to the group, and it has been proven he doesn't even own a boat, let alone a
Parker.

I'm not saying the information he gave you is wrong...he sometimes does a
cut-n-paste from somewhere on the web, to "prove" he knows something about
boats...but he usually gets caught doing that as well.

He's just a jealous, pathetic troll here...your best bet is to kill file
him, and be done with it.

Welcome to the group, and take care.

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:

Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?


Try some of these: True World Marine (Good Go). Jones Bros, Judge
Yachts, Albin. There are more.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:52:08 -0500, Sir Spamalot
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:

Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?

Try some of these: True World Marine (Good Go). Jones Bros, Judge
Yachts, Albin. There are more.

Albin makes a walkaround? Jones is mostly Center Consoles.

I had forgot about True World - I got a look at one last fall and was
pretty impressed with it. The hulls look just like the old Master
Marine CC that the Moonies used to chase tuna.

One hell of a good riding boat.

Later,

Tom

"Peter Guitzmyer" wrote in message
...
Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?

True World.

Maybe Shamrock? I know they do diesels but not sure if they have a
walk-around model.
Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?

Harry Krause wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:


Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?



Good question.

I can't think of is Ocean Master, but that's not a true walkaround.

Later,

Tom



By "walkaround," I'm guessing the original poster means a fishing boat
with a narrow cabin you can walkaround without being up adjacent to the
gunnels.

You need a walkway 15"-18" wide to really be able to "walkaround."
That's close to three feet of walkway for both sides. You'd end up with
a damned narrow and mostly unusable cabin.

But the idea is great. One of the few things I don't like about my
Parker is the hike from the cockpit to the bow along the gunnels. Scary
walk on a rough day.

BTW, when I asked the Parker factory why it dropped diesels from its
larger boats, I was told that the increase in hp available from
outboards obviated the necessity for fuel-oil burners. Dunno about
that...I'd prefer my Parker with a nice 350 hp diesel straight
shaft...if it had a keel. I have no use for I/O's in salt water.

Of course the Parker is just another lie like all his previous fantasy
boats. He goes to extraordinary lengths to try to be believed including
the endless references to the "my" parker, it's not his, none for the
boats he's ever claimed as his are "his".

Here's your Krause lie for the day:-) Yes no trouble at all you're
welcome;-)


So here's just some of the sewerage he's posted about yet "another"
boat he claims to own the fabled "Lobster boat". He's just full of it he
really is, it's a tad long but you need to see the trouble he goes to
try to be believed.

He just a lying union fund mail room employee or in normal speak a sad
bludger. The lying idiot magazine dreams then trawls the net to make up
stories.



Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm
especially
interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of
experience with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed
getting a Cat 3208TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of
commercial fishermen I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out.

Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys
I've been talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially
the 3208, and in recent years some have moved to Volvos.
These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat similar to what
we're doing.

No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built.

Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a
real soft ride, offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head
(with standup shower enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the
architect did try to convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like.
More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that
brings up a mental image for you.

She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam.
The hull buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines.
The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According
to the hull builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve
a WOT of about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single
diesel of about 420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too.
We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big
headsea at a pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside.
Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and
stimulating experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with
a custom boat

It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval
architect. He does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I
believe he's also done designs for Carolina Classic.

Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine
choices for the new boat.

On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement:

QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine
gear ratio of 1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22
shaft. Too much engine.

QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained cruise of 2100
rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money.

6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1
gear ratio, 24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft.

Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative."

Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is
only a little
more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I
want is a 30 mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also
figured the boat at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the
smart thing to do.
Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design.

The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel
and it is a built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It
backs down beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam
sea than the semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep
vee fishing boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I
believe it is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity.
Amazing, for a boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No
chines. Just splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I
wanted.

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:33 -0800, Peter Guitzmyer
wrote:


Who makes non-commercial diesel walkaround fishing boats in the
25-30ft range?





Good question.

I can't think of is Ocean Master, but that's not a true walkaround.

Later,

Tom



By "walkaround," I'm guessing the original poster means a fishing
boat with a narrow cabin you can walkaround without being up adjacent
to the gunnels.

You need a walkway 15"-18" wide to really be able to "walkaround."
That's close to three feet of walkway for both sides. You'd end up
with a damned narrow and mostly unusable cabin.

But the idea is great. One of the few things I don't like about my
Parker is the hike from the cockpit to the bow along the gunnels.
Scary walk on a rough day.

BTW, when I asked the Parker factory why it dropped diesels from its
larger boats, I was told that the increase in hp available from
outboards obviated the necessity for fuel-oil burners. Dunno about
that...I'd prefer my Parker with a nice 350 hp diesel straight
shaft...if it had a keel. I have no use for I/O's in salt water.



Of course the Parker is just another lie like all his previous
fantasy boats. He goes to extraordinary lengths to try to be believed
including the endless references to the "my" parker, it's not his,
none for the boats he's ever claimed as his are "his".



Be a good girlie, Karen, and go take a few more tokes on your billy-bong.

Damn better put your lie for the day back in:-) seems not only can't
you work a kill file you endlessly delete your own lies:-)

K


Here's your Krause lie for the day:-) Yes no trouble at all you're welcome;-)


So here's just some of the sewerage he's posted about yet "another" boat he claims to own the fabled "Lobster boat". He's just full of it he really is, it's a tad long but you need to see the trouble he goes to try to be believed.

He just a lying union fund mail room employee or in normal speak a sad bludger. The lying idiot magazine dreams then trawls the net to make up stories.



Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm
especially
interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of
experience with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed
getting a Cat 3208TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of
commercial fishermen I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out.

Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys
I've been talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially
the 3208, and in recent years some have moved to Volvos.
These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat similar to what
we're doing.

No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built.

Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a
real soft ride, offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head
(with standup shower enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the
architect did try to convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like.
More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that
brings up a mental image for you.

She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam.
The hull buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines.
The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According
to the hull builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve
a WOT of about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single
diesel of about 420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too.
We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big
headsea at a pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside.
Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and
stimulating experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with
a custom boat

It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval architect. He does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I believe he's also done designs for Carolina Classic.

Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine
choices for the new boat.

On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement:

QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine
gear ratio of 1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22
shaft. Too much engine.

QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained cruise of 2100
rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money.

6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1
gear ratio, 24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft.

Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative."


Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is only a little

more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I
want is a 30 mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also
figured the boat at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the
smart thing to do.
Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design.

The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel
and it is a built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It
backs down beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam
sea than the semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep
vee fishing boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I
believe it is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity.
Amazing, for a boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No
chines. Just splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I
wanted.