basskisser wrote:
K Smith wrote in message news:buioos$i68o1$1@ID-

Wind is solar energy, it's the product of the sun heating air.


A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".


In that case you'll now post what causes the rest??? Even the migration
of the various entire systems from the west to the east is directly
related to the sun.

Anyway if you think otherwise I for one will read your explanation with
interest.

K


Sure thing, ask and you shall receive. That above statement about
migration of various entire systems is pure rubbish. Ever hear of the
Coriolis Force? Guess not, huh? Anyway: Wind is the product of the
movement of air. Air has a certain density and surrounds the earth for
a layer of approximately 64km in altitude. Air exerts a downward
pressure, which is referred to as atmospheric pressure. The pressure
on the earth's surface is one atmosphere, or one "bar", at sea level
(mean absolute sea level/masl). Air pressure is measured with a
barometer.


As the Earth rotates on its axis, gravity forces this relatively
"heavy" air near the Earth's surface to spin round with it. However,
the air higher up is less affected. The difference between the speed
at which air moves close to the surface and the speed of air higher up
forms vortexes or whirlpools. This mixing causes variations in air
speed, and, consequently, "wind" is generated at the earth's surface


Dear dear dear I shouldn't bother; but will of course:-)

You've totally misunderstood the effect, the air doesn't get "dragged"
along by the earths rotation it's part of the earth.

The effect is when air is rotating vertically & horizontally at the
same time, (it rises as a direct result of the sun's heat, then it cools
& sinks in a cooler part of the earth, that direct route from say the
equator to the poles appears to be deflected to the west because the
earth rotates underneath. The atmosphere at exteme altitudes does
migrate generally in a westerly direction at about 25 mph, but this is
well above "surface weather"

Please stop & think a few moments, if your understanding be right then
most ground level weather systems would approach from the east?? yes???
If you want to argue you'll need to address this sooner or later so do
it now.

They don't; systems mostly approach from the west, why?? because the
sun is heating the air always to the east making it rise, the colder air
& entire systems at "ground level" move into that space.

So the apparent direction of some winds (the trades mostly) appear to
be deflected to the west (S become SE'ly & N becomes NE'ly), however the
driving force for the wind itself is the sun heating air somewhere else.

Sorry atl man, but at least you tried & that takes more guts than the
liar Harry has.



K

K Smith wrote:

Dear dear dear I shouldn't bother; but will of course:-)

You've totally misunderstood the effect, the air doesn't get "dragged"
along by the earths rotation it's part of the earth.

Bull****.

The surface of the Earth exerts a frictional drag on the air blowing
just above it. This friction can act to change the wind's direction and
slow it down -- keeping it from blowing as fast as the wind aloft. A
difference in terrain conditions directly affects how much friction is
exerted. For example, a calm ocean surface is pretty smooth, so the wind
blowing over it does not move up, down, and around any features. By
contrast, hills and forests force the wind to slow down and/or change
direction much more.


The effect is when air is rotating vertically & horizontally at the
same time, (it rises as a direct result of the sun's heat, then it cools
& sinks in a cooler part of the earth,

The effect of what? Try writing in standard English. Are you referring
to the Coriolis effect? If so, there are a million accurate descriptions
of that around, so there is no need for you to find one and rewrite it
into your usual non-parsing nonsense.



that direct route from say the
equator to the poles appears to be deflected to the west because the
earth rotates underneath. The atmosphere at exteme altitudes does
migrate generally in a westerly direction at about 25 mph, but this is
well above "surface weather"

Good grief...just lift the stuff, don't try to rewrite it, eh? You can't
write.


Sorry atl man, but at least you tried & that takes more guts than the
liar Harry has.



K

Can't leave it alone, eh, butch?

Let me put it in terms you will surely understand.

Anyone who has even social intercourse with you is at risk of
contracting a disease. You are the loser's loser, Karen.

You ought to be taken out and hung for the cold-blooded murder of the
English tongue. Did you even complete the 8th grade?







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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
K Smith wrote:

Dear dear dear I shouldn't bother; but will of course:-)

You've totally misunderstood the effect, the air doesn't get "dragged"
along by the earths rotation it's part of the earth.

Bull****.

The surface of the Earth exerts a frictional drag on the air blowing
just above it. This friction can act to change the wind's direction and
slow it down -- keeping it from blowing as fast as the wind aloft. A
difference in terrain conditions directly affects how much friction is
exerted. For example, a calm ocean surface is pretty smooth, so the wind
blowing over it does not move up, down, and around any features. By
contrast, hills and forests force the wind to slow down and/or change
direction much more.


The effect is when air is rotating vertically & horizontally at the
same time, (it rises as a direct result of the sun's heat, then it cools
& sinks in a cooler part of the earth,

The effect of what? Try writing in standard English. Are you referring
to the Coriolis effect? If so, there are a million accurate descriptions
of that around, so there is no need for you to find one and rewrite it
into your usual non-parsing nonsense.



that direct route from say the
equator to the poles appears to be deflected to the west because the
earth rotates underneath. The atmosphere at exteme altitudes does
migrate generally in a westerly direction at about 25 mph, but this is
well above "surface weather"

Good grief...just lift the stuff, don't try to rewrite it, eh? You can't
write.


Sorry atl man, but at least you tried & that takes more guts than the
liar Harry has.



K

Can't leave it alone, eh, butch?

Let me put it in terms you will surely understand.

Anyone who has even social intercourse with you is at risk of
contracting a disease. You are the loser's loser, Karen.

You ought to be taken out and hung for the cold-blooded murder of the
English tongue. Did you even complete the 8th grade?







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Email sent to is never read.

After a million years, the air is moving at the same speed as the earth.
All the inertia. solar is probably 99.9% of the wind cause. The differences
in surface features will redirect the winds, but mostly solar. One of the
hypothesis of the Woolly Mammoth die off, was a small meteor strike and a
wobble of the earth. The resulting several hundred mile an hour winds with
shade, caused a huge wind chill, flash freezing the mammoths. They are
found popping out of glaciers with subtropical flowers in their teeth and
undigested food in the gut. They are large enough that unless there was
massive chilling the stomachs would have finished digesting the food.

On 20 Jan 2004 06:45:28 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 19 Jan 2004 04:24:26 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

K Smith wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:04:11 GMT, wrote:



If they can make a car go 70mph with an electric motor, why not an
electric motor asist for large yachts,(50-60 ft) run off batteries
that are charged off a solar array situated on the canopy.

Seems like any assist would be worth while considering large yachts go
thru 1000's of gallons of fuel.

If you want a yacht assist that runs off of solar power, the cheapest,
best tried and true method is called sails.

I thought sails used wind.


Wind is solar energy, it's the product of the sun heating air.

A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".

And the rest is from your mouth.

Typical response from the village idiot. Do you disagree with my
statement that a very small percentage of the wind is a product of the
sun heating air, or are you just being childish?

Your statement that a very small percentage of wind is a product of the
sun's heat is wrong. I can see this is going to become another oil and
trailer thread. lol

Steve

On 20 Jan 2004 06:43:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

K Smith wrote in message news:buioos$i68o1$1@ID-
Wind is solar energy, it's the product of the sun heating air.


A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".


In that case you'll now post what causes the rest??? Even the migration
of the various entire systems from the west to the east is directly
related to the sun.

Anyway if you think otherwise I for one will read your explanation with
interest.

K

Sure thing, ask and you shall receive. That above statement about
migration of various entire systems is pure rubbish. Ever hear of the
Coriolis Force? Guess not, huh? Anyway: Wind is the product of the

Apparently you have no idea of what the coriolis force is. Hint: in
order for it to have any effect at all, the air must already be moving.
I.e., the coriolis force has nothing to do with generating wind. But it
does affect the direction which the wind moves.

As the Earth rotates on its axis, gravity forces this relatively
"heavy" air near the Earth's surface to spin round with it. However,
the air higher up is less affected. The difference between the speed
at which air moves close to the surface and the speed of air higher up
forms vortexes or whirlpools. This mixing causes variations in air
speed, and, consequently, "wind" is generated at the earth's surface

Could you be thinking of frictional drag which slows down air close to
the surface? Again, for friction to have an effect, the air must
already be moving. The effect you're describing above accounts for only
a tiny fraction of surface wind, which is what powers sailboats. In
fact, without the spatial unequalness of the sun's heating, you wouldn't
be able to feel any wind at all.

You really should do just a tiny bit of research. If you did, you'd
discover that the sun is the driving force that generates the pressure
differentials which cause wind.

If you want, I'll give you a few links to read:

http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_causes_wind.htm
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/85/
A lot of good links to info he
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/reso...cs/wworks0.htm
and a pretty good explanation of the forces acting on moving air:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7n.html

If you want more, there's plenty available both on the web and in the
library. I suggest you try learning something for a change.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 20 Jan 2004 06:43:42 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

K Smith wrote in message news:buioos$i68o1$1@ID-
Wind is solar energy, it's the product of the sun heating air.


A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".


In that case you'll now post what causes the rest??? Even the migration
of the various entire systems from the west to the east is directly
related to the sun.

Anyway if you think otherwise I for one will read your explanation with
interest.

K

Sure thing, ask and you shall receive. That above statement about
migration of various entire systems is pure rubbish. Ever hear of the
Coriolis Force? Guess not, huh? Anyway: Wind is the product of the

Apparently you have no idea of what the coriolis force is. Hint: in
order for it to have any effect at all, the air must already be moving.
I.e., the coriolis force has nothing to do with generating wind. But it
does affect the direction which the wind moves.


Hehehe. I pointed out last night that our heroin addict from Oz, Karen
Smith, had no understanding of this issue and in fact had misunderstood
the text she had lifted and rewritten in her own awful style.




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K Smith wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:
K Smith wrote in message news:buioos$i68o1$1@ID-

Wind is solar energy, it's the product of the sun heating air.


A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".


In that case you'll now post what causes the rest??? Even the migration
of the various entire systems from the west to the east is directly
related to the sun.

Anyway if you think otherwise I for one will read your explanation with
interest.

K


Sure thing, ask and you shall receive. That above statement about
migration of various entire systems is pure rubbish. Ever hear of the
Coriolis Force? Guess not, huh? Anyway: Wind is the product of the
movement of air. Air has a certain density and surrounds the earth for
a layer of approximately 64km in altitude. Air exerts a downward
pressure, which is referred to as atmospheric pressure. The pressure
on the earth's surface is one atmosphere, or one "bar", at sea level
(mean absolute sea level/masl). Air pressure is measured with a
barometer.


As the Earth rotates on its axis, gravity forces this relatively
"heavy" air near the Earth's surface to spin round with it. However,
the air higher up is less affected. The difference between the speed
at which air moves close to the surface and the speed of air higher up
forms vortexes or whirlpools. This mixing causes variations in air
speed, and, consequently, "wind" is generated at the earth's surface


Dear dear dear I shouldn't bother; but will of course:-)

You've totally misunderstood the effect, the air doesn't get "dragged"
along by the earths rotation it's part of the earth.

The effect is when air is rotating vertically & horizontally at the
same time, (it rises as a direct result of the sun's heat, then it cools
& sinks in a cooler part of the earth, that direct route from say the
equator to the poles appears to be deflected to the west because the
earth rotates underneath. The atmosphere at exteme altitudes does
migrate generally in a westerly direction at about 25 mph, but this is
well above "surface weather"

Please stop & think a few moments, if your understanding be right then
most ground level weather systems would approach from the east?? yes???
If you want to argue you'll need to address this sooner or later so do
it now.

They don't; systems mostly approach from the west, why?? because the
sun is heating the air always to the east making it rise, the colder air
& entire systems at "ground level" move into that space.

So the apparent direction of some winds (the trades mostly) appear to
be deflected to the west (S become SE'ly & N becomes NE'ly), however the
driving force for the wind itself is the sun heating air somewhere else.

Sorry atl man, but at least you tried & that takes more guts than the
liar Harry has.



K

Pure rubbish from you!!! You need to do a little research, as opposed
to just running your ignorant mouth. The FACT remains, and is valid.
Do some studying, then get back to me.

DSK wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:


A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".

Really? Where does the rest of it come from?

DSK

It comes from inertia, the rotation pull of the earth's surface.

basskisser wrote:

It comes from inertia, the rotation pull of the earth's surface.

That's not what they said in Met 101.

The Coriolis effect is what influences the *direction* of wind & movement of weather
fronts, but the energy comes from the Sun.

Type "What causes wind?" in Google and see. Or save a few moments of your valuable time
and read this.

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/85/

Regards
Doug King

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 20 Jan 2004 06:45:28 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 19 Jan 2004 04:24:26 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

K Smith wrote in message ...
basskisser wrote:
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:04:11 GMT, wrote:



If they can make a car go 70mph with an electric motor, why not an
electric motor asist for large yachts,(50-60 ft) run off batteries
that are charged off a solar array situated on the canopy.

Seems like any assist would be worth while considering large yachts go
thru 1000's of gallons of fuel.

If you want a yacht assist that runs off of solar power, the cheapest,
best tried and true method is called sails.

I thought sails used wind.


Wind is solar energy, it's the product of the sun heating air.

A very small percentage of the wind on the planet is a "product of the
sun heating air".

And the rest is from your mouth.

Typical response from the village idiot. Do you disagree with my
statement that a very small percentage of the wind is a product of the
sun heating air, or are you just being childish?

Your statement that a very small percentage of wind is a product of the
sun's heat is wrong. I can see this is going to become another oil and
trailer thread. lol

Steve

No, it's not. You are stupid. The thing is this, you'll make your own
definition of what a "very small percentage" is, and that will be your
whole basis of argument. The simple fact is, and will always be, that
the sun's heat is a MINOR contributer to the earth's wind. MINOR,
twit, understand?