On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, jps wrote:


You are an extremist. More selectivity along with a clear campaign led
by consumer advocates might really help our current situation.

well, we have to keep in mind that you are an asshole


I'm really curious

yes, that's what all you bisexuals say

if a large enough percentage of people would in fact
pay a little more for an American made product if that differentiation
were made evident.

No I don't buy a lot of junk. I already have a house full selected by
the spouse. I have no desire to fill the boat too.

But I still don't buy importado unless I can't find a patriate product.
Sometimes, I have to bite the bullet.

Capt. Frank

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:39:13 GMT, "Capt. Frank Hopkins"
wrote:


On to Best Buys, I reached for an RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
video camera, and lo and behold, it was made in Korea. So, I ended up
going home with out buying anything.

You see, my own way of protesting is not to buy foreign made products.




You must not own very much.........


Dave

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
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"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
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Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Absolutely! Very good points!

Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a decent
camera here since the early 1950s.

Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:09:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:26:50 -0800, jps wrote:


Yeah, let's do a total boycott of all foreign goods! Enjoy your
walk...'cause you will not find an automobile made in the U.S. from
parts
made only in the U.S. While you're at it, you better sew your own
shoes...'cause I doubt you'll find a pair made in the U.S. from
materials
made only in the U.S.

You are an extremist. More selectivity along with a clear campaign led
by consumer advocates might really help our current situation.

I'm really curious if a large enough percentage of people would in fact
pay a little more for an American made product if that differentiation
were made evident.


Assuming that the American made product was not made by a union worker
who's under qualified for the job, and who's management can't fire
him. And if that worker was not on the rag about their favorite sports
team losing the night before, and adopting the "Hey, I'm not going to
buy this thing" attitude and other equally "creative" ways to get out
of putting in a full day's worth of QUALITY work for their overly
inflated wages. And if the cost difference was marginal, then I might
consider it.

Dave

My friend Bob must be a sick man. He's a union butcher. He works 10 hour
days because he loves dealing with the public at the store I shop in. But,
he's probably the only union employee in the known universe who's like that.
Right, Dave?

Use your head Doug. Union membership is MANDATORY in many businesses
(Gee, I wonder why?). Not all union members take advantage of the
system to slack off. But that does not negate the fact that a great
many do. Union rules are made to benefit those who don't aspire to be
the very best that they can be. In other words they are protectionist,
and foster an attitude of mediocrity. Not a good atmosphere if you
are trying to make a quality built product.
I worked with many of these people and had to deal with these policies
and attitudes when I had my first full time job in a factory, and was
a card carrying member of the UAW.

Dave

On 15 Jan 2004 06:19:25 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 14 Jan 2004 08:18:00 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Mars Needs Dim Republicans
Dubya dons a shiny spacesuit, dreams of spending billions to meet
little green men. The nation cringes

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, January 14, 2004

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Oh right like this is exactly what we need.


Gee, his partisan bias and lack of vision isn't too glaringly
apparent is it?


Another whining liberal.......


Dave

Do you think that, with the largest deficit we've EVER had, thanks to
BushCo, that we need MORE debt?

Get a clue. We've always had debt. Deficit spending is what allows us
to do things now, with the promise of paying later. Economists pretty
much agree that if it were not for the concept of credit, most of our
economy would be in the toilet.

Besides, as the economy improves, the investment gains will erase much
of that debt.

It's not the boogie-man you guys on the left make it out to be.

Dave

Get a clue. We've always had debt. Deficit spending is what allows us
to do things now, with the promise of paying later. Economists pretty
much agree that if it were not for the concept of credit, most of our
economy would be in the toilet.

Besides, as the economy improves, the investment gains will erase much
of that debt.

It's not the boogie-man you guys on the left make it out to be.

Dave


Size matters, Dave. Also timing matters, too.

--
Marty S.
Baltimore, MD USA


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On 15 Jan 2004 06:19:25 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Dave Hall wrote in message
. ..
On 14 Jan 2004 08:18:00 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Mars Needs Dim Republicans
Dubya dons a shiny spacesuit, dreams of spending billions to meet
little green men. The nation cringes

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, January 14, 2004


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Oh right like this is exactly what we need.


Gee, his partisan bias and lack of vision isn't too glaringly
apparent is it?


Another whining liberal.......


Dave

Do you think that, with the largest deficit we've EVER had, thanks to
BushCo, that we need MORE debt?

Get a clue. We've always had debt. Deficit spending is what allows us
to do things now, with the promise of paying later. Economists pretty
much agree that if it were not for the concept of credit, most of our
economy would be in the toilet.

Besides, as the economy improves, the investment gains will erase much
of that debt.

It's not the boogie-man you guys on the left make it out to be.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


My friend Bob must be a sick man. He's a union butcher. He works 10 hour
days because he loves dealing with the public at the store I shop in.
But,
he's probably the only union employee in the known universe who's like
that.
Right, Dave?


Use your head Doug. Union membership is MANDATORY in many businesses
(Gee, I wonder why?). Not all union members take advantage of the
system to slack off.

Good. I just wanted to be sure you understood that. I thought maybe you were
making another one of your exquisitely stupid absolute statements.


But that does not negate the fact that a great
many do. Union rules are made to benefit those who don't aspire to be
the very best that they can be.

All union rules? Do you know why they came to exist initially?


In other words they are protectionist,
and foster an attitude of mediocrity.

All union rules are protectionist? What about rules regarding safety and
working conditions? Be careful here, Dave. Your response may make you a
target for "ad puer" (not "ad hominem") remarks.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...
Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't
think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF
the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Absolutely! Very good points!

Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a
decent
camera here since the early 1950s.

Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras.

Like I said..... :-)

They're a great company. I use lots of their film and chemicals. But, with
the exception of joint projects with Nikon, and specialty items made for the
government, they haven't had decent optics in almost 50 years.

Unfortunately that is true. Kodak optics are not the best. They use a
lot of plastic lens technology, which is adequate for throw away
cameras, but not too good for the semi professional quality I am looking
for. This is probably a good reason for Kodak being the overall #3 loser
in stock prices last year. I suppose, I shall have to keep the old
Roliflex a few more years if I can still find 120 film. I have the same
problem with super-8 movie film. Still, I wish I could find a good
quality, USA built, video camera. There just don't seem to be any at all.

Maybe a few of us in this group should get together and make a new
american manufacturing company. We could build high quality widgets, and
people will pay for quality! Investor Call!

Capt. Frank

Doug Kanter wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message

link.net...

Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't

think

that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF

the

parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Absolutely! Very good points!

Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a

decent

camera here since the early 1950s.

Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras.


Like I said..... :-)

They're a great company. I use lots of their film and chemicals. But, with
the exception of joint projects with Nikon, and specialty items made for the
government, they haven't had decent optics in almost 50 years.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:05:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .


My friend Bob must be a sick man. He's a union butcher. He works 10 hour
days because he loves dealing with the public at the store I shop in.
But,
he's probably the only union employee in the known universe who's like
that.
Right, Dave?


Use your head Doug. Union membership is MANDATORY in many businesses
(Gee, I wonder why?). Not all union members take advantage of the
system to slack off.

Good. I just wanted to be sure you understood that. I thought maybe you were
making another one of your exquisitely stupid absolute statements.

I've told you before, I don't deal in absolutes. Far too few of them
can be proven either one way or another.



But that does not negate the fact that a great
many do. Union rules are made to benefit those who don't aspire to be
the very best that they can be.

All union rules?

Who said anything about *all* rules? There you go again assuming an
absolute and then attributing the claim to me.


Do you know why they came to exist initially?

Sure, and most of those reasons are long gone.




In other words they are protectionist,
and foster an attitude of mediocrity.

All union rules are protectionist?

There you go again. Can't you contemplate an issue without going to
absolute extremes?


What about rules regarding safety and
working conditions?

What about them? They are no better than those mandated by OSHA.


Dave