Fixing the NG
 

Since so many people here wish to impart partisan political influence, I
think the only thing to do is let them.

Therefore........ from this moment on I'll be looking at the originating OT
posts to see if they come from the DNC or the GOP lackeys. I'm counting
hijacking an on topic thread to make it political as "originating" an OT
thread.

And I'll be voting for the party in November that originates the FEWER OT
posts. :p

Since so many here wish to sway hearts and minds - perhaps if enough people
lined up with me, it would make them think.

-W

Fixing the NG
 

I always enjoy the "get over it" attitude that prevails among
some of the more annoying OT posters. A little OT is expected
and welcome on any subject, but the inmates are running
the asylum these days and seem to rejoice
in crapping on the sidewalk right in front of you.

The regulars can deal with it but the problem is:

It turns off the usenet button pushers who might otherwise check in
to see what's happening and then make a quick exit because of
the OT stench.

Clams,

I always enjoy your tales of inline Mercs. It almost makes me wish I owned
one.

db


"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:b9WMb.44637$na.37052@attbi_s04...
Since so many people here wish to impart partisan political influence, I
think the only thing to do is let them.

Therefore........ from this moment on I'll be looking at the originating
OT
posts to see if they come from the DNC or the GOP lackeys. I'm counting
hijacking an on topic thread to make it political as "originating" an OT
thread.

And I'll be voting for the party in November that originates the FEWER OT
posts. :p

Since so many here wish to sway hearts and minds - perhaps if enough
people
lined up with me, it would make them think.

-W

Fixing the NG
 

"Clams Canino" wrote
I'll be voting for the party in November
that originates the FEWER OT posts.

I'm in.

And speaking of thread-jacking, anybody have any advice on replacing the
bellowseses on a Merc 165 pre-alpha drive?

Fixing the NG
 

What is the problem with OT comments? Sometime the group skews off onto more
interesting topics. That is what the newsgroups are all about




"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
"Clams Canino" wrote
I'll be voting for the party in November
that originates the FEWER OT posts.

I'm in.

And speaking of thread-jacking, anybody have any advice on replacing the
bellowseses on a Merc 165 pre-alpha drive?

Fixing the NG
 

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:40:49 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote:

What is the problem with OT comments? Sometime the group skews off onto more
interesting topics. That is what the newsgroups are all about

================================================== =======

The "problem" is with the signal to noise ratio. During the winter
months, and especially in an election year, the noise peaks a lot and
meaningful discussion of any kind becomes difficult to find.

Fixing the NG
 

No its not.

Usenet is just like a newspaper (maybe that's why they call the software a
"news reader"). It has sections (groups) that should remain on-topic. You
wouldn't want to read about who won the boat races in the business section
in our news paper...and you shouldn't have to read about politics in
rec.boats.

Those who claim that this (politics and war) is what boaters talk about at
sea or on the docks are misdirected. Usenet is not setup that way, and it is
not the intention of Usenet to be used that way.

-

It's just about going fast...that's all...

http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/
" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
What is the problem with OT comments? Sometime the group skews off onto
more
interesting topics. That is what the newsgroups are all about

Fixing the NG
 

" Tuuk" wrote
What is the problem with OT comments?

So you don't know anything about bellowses then?

Fixing the NG
 

So what your saying is that this newsgroup should stick to boating stories
or discussions ONLY.

Tell me something, when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and hear the table
beside you talking about something other than boats, are you going to
suggest to them that that type of conversation is not welcome there ? I
guess the obvious is due,,, if you dont like the posts that do not relate to
boating, dont read them. Do you have a fee or maximum you are being charged
by your server as to the number of postings you download ? I mean, I only
see maybe 5 or 10 posts per day on this group, sometimes more, some times
less. I can understand your point should this group get flooded with
postings.
No, what your trying to do is censorship, dont do that here, or dont do that
there. I dont need anyone telling me what to say, when to say it, how to say
it, when to have coffee break , when to ****, when to speak, when to do
anything. Maybe you need someone to hold your hand but give the rest of use
more credit.






"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
What is the problem with OT comments?

So you don't know anything about bellowses then?

Fixing the NG
 

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:45:43 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

And I'll be voting for the party in November that originates the FEWER OT
posts. :p

ROTFL!!!!

I'm in. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

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Hey, Tuuk, you're obviously too ignorant to know what newsgroups are
supposed to be like. Time was when a person could have their account
cancelled by their ISP for making OT posts within the big-8 hierarchy.

But here's some free speech for you: you are a stupid, cocklicking piece of
****. You talk like a queer. You are queer, aren't you? Answer the
question, you stupid little whore.

Need someone to hold your hand now, you stupid piece of ****? Post your
name and address here, bigmouth. You stupid little cocksucker.



On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, " Tuuk" wrote:


So what your saying is that this newsgroup should stick to boating stories
or discussions ONLY.

Tell me something, when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and hear the table
beside you talking about something other than boats, are you going to
suggest to them that that type of conversation is not welcome there ? I
guess the obvious is due,,, if you dont like the posts that do not relate to
boating, dont read them. Do you have a fee or maximum you are being charged
by your server as to the number of postings you download ? I mean, I only
see maybe 5 or 10 posts per day on this group, sometimes more, some times
less. I can understand your point should this group get flooded with
postings.
No, what your trying to do is censorship, dont do that here, or dont do that
there. I dont need anyone telling me what to say, when to say it, how to say
it, when to have coffee break , when to ****, when to speak, when to do
anything. Maybe you need someone to hold your hand but give the rest of use
more credit.

Fixing the NG
 

There's a difference between "healthy discussion" and what's been going on
here as of late, which is both sides propagandizing - like the election
really hinged on *this* newsgroup, LOL.

No one is listening, everybody is just screaming "your guy sucks, my guy
rocks". This isn't healthy OT stuff, it mindless politikking in the breeze.
That's the difference.

-W

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
So what your saying is that this newsgroup should stick to boating stories
or discussions ONLY.

Tell me something, when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and hear the table
beside you talking about something other than boats, are you going to
suggest to them that that type of conversation is not welcome there ? I
guess the obvious is due,,, if you dont like the posts that do not relate
to
boating, dont read them. Do you have a fee or maximum you are being
charged
by your server as to the number of postings you download ? I mean, I only
see maybe 5 or 10 posts per day on this group, sometimes more, some times
less. I can understand your point should this group get flooded with
postings.
No, what your trying to do is censorship, dont do that here, or dont do
that
there. I dont need anyone telling me what to say, when to say it, how to
say
it, when to have coffee break , when to ****, when to speak, when to do
anything. Maybe you need someone to hold your hand but give the rest of
use
more credit.






"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
What is the problem with OT comments?

So you don't know anything about bellowses then?

Fixing the NG
 

Ya but it is too easy for someone today to simply ignore what they want.
Does your software have an ignore function or screen function? Killfile? If
someone on here keeps posting rubbish that you cannot stand to look at,
simply killfile them.




"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:hZ%Mb.47439$na.37330@attbi_s04...

There's a difference between "healthy discussion" and what's been going on
here as of late, which is both sides propagandizing - like the election
really hinged on *this* newsgroup, LOL.

No one is listening, everybody is just screaming "your guy sucks, my guy
rocks". This isn't healthy OT stuff, it mindless politikking in the
breeze.
That's the difference.

-W

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
So what your saying is that this newsgroup should stick to boating
stories
or discussions ONLY.

Tell me something, when you sail your yacht over to another marina or
boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and hear the table
beside you talking about something other than boats, are you going to
suggest to them that that type of conversation is not welcome there ? I
guess the obvious is due,,, if you dont like the posts that do not
relate
to
boating, dont read them. Do you have a fee or maximum you are being
charged
by your server as to the number of postings you download ? I mean, I
only
see maybe 5 or 10 posts per day on this group, sometimes more, some
times
less. I can understand your point should this group get flooded with
postings.
No, what your trying to do is censorship, dont do that here, or dont do
that
there. I dont need anyone telling me what to say, when to say it, how to
say
it, when to have coffee break , when to ****, when to speak, when to do
anything. Maybe you need someone to hold your hand but give the rest of
use
more credit.






"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
What is the problem with OT comments?

So you don't know anything about bellowses then?

Fixing the NG
 

Rude behavior is still rude behavior.

If the wanna influence the election - I say let's help them. :p

-W (keeping score)

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Ya but it is too easy for someone today to simply ignore what they want.
Does your software have an ignore function or screen function? Killfile?
If
someone on here keeps posting rubbish that you cannot stand to look at,
simply killfile them.




"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:hZ%Mb.47439$na.37330@attbi_s04...

There's a difference between "healthy discussion" and what's been going
on
here as of late, which is both sides propagandizing - like the election
really hinged on *this* newsgroup, LOL.

No one is listening, everybody is just screaming "your guy sucks, my guy
rocks". This isn't healthy OT stuff, it mindless politikking in the
breeze.
That's the difference.

-W

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
So what your saying is that this newsgroup should stick to boating
stories
or discussions ONLY.

Tell me something, when you sail your yacht over to another marina or
boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and hear the
table
beside you talking about something other than boats, are you going to
suggest to them that that type of conversation is not welcome there ?
I
guess the obvious is due,,, if you dont like the posts that do not
relate
to
boating, dont read them. Do you have a fee or maximum you are being
charged
by your server as to the number of postings you download ? I mean, I
only
see maybe 5 or 10 posts per day on this group, sometimes more, some
times
less. I can understand your point should this group get flooded with
postings.
No, what your trying to do is censorship, dont do that here, or dont
do
that
there. I dont need anyone telling me what to say, when to say it, how
to
say
it, when to have coffee break , when to ****, when to speak, when to
do
anything. Maybe you need someone to hold your hand but give the rest
of
use
more credit.






"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
What is the problem with OT comments?

So you don't know anything about bellowses then?

Fixing the NG
 

While your intentions are sincere I doubt that a matter of a couple of
hundred votes is going to have any impact on the election.

Chuck Gould offered a nice solution to the problem. Read it in the thread
"Starting a new newsgroup".

I will be interested to see if everyone agrees on his solution, especially
those Chuck names in his post. As I said, I am in, but will bow once the
agreement is breached by one of the "Dirty 7", as well as the likes of doug
kanter, Dave Hall, bb, JohnH, ignoramus and basskisser. ;-)


"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:b9WMb.44637$na.37052@attbi_s04...
Since so many people here wish to impart partisan political influence, I
think the only thing to do is let them.

Therefore........ from this moment on I'll be looking at the originating
OT
posts to see if they come from the DNC or the GOP lackeys. I'm counting
hijacking an on topic thread to make it political as "originating" an OT
thread.

And I'll be voting for the party in November that originates the FEWER OT
posts. :p

Since so many here wish to sway hearts and minds - perhaps if enough
people
lined up with me, it would make them think.

-W

Fixing the NG
 

Chuck Gould offered a nice solution to the problem. Read it in the thread
"Starting a new newsgroup".

I will be interested to see if everyone agrees on his solution, especially
those Chuck names in his post. As I said, I am in, but will bow once the
agreement is breached by one of the "Dirty 7", as well as the likes of doug
kanter, Dave Hall, bb, JohnH, ignoramus and basskisser. ;-)


JohnH? Why him? From what I've read in his posts, he comes across as one of
the good guys.

I like Chuck's idea and emailed him off NG about it. This NG is seriously
dwindling in membership because of the nasty comments and constant OT threads
(which can't really be avoided, since it's winter and our boats are all
winterized for the season).

.....just my humble opinion. Take it for whatever it's worth.

Butch Ammon

Fixing the NG
 

"Butch Ammon" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould offered a nice solution to the problem. Read it in the
thread
"Starting a new newsgroup".

I will be interested to see if everyone agrees on his solution,
especially
those Chuck names in his post. As I said, I am in, but will bow once the
agreement is breached by one of the "Dirty 7", as well as the likes of
doug
kanter, Dave Hall, bb, JohnH, ignoramus and basskisser. ;-)


JohnH? Why him? From what I've read in his posts, he comes across as one
of
the good guys.

I like Chuck's idea and emailed him off NG about it. This NG is seriously
dwindling in membership because of the nasty comments and constant OT
threads
(which can't really be avoided, since it's winter and our boats are all
winterized for the season).

....just my humble opinion. Take it for whatever it's worth.

Butch Ammon

I agree with what you say about John. Although well mannered in his
replies he does involve himself in quite a number of OT posts. The purpose
of the agreement is to curtail the OT posts.

Perhaps the final solution is that the OT posts stop entirely or are brought
to an acceptable level.

I applaud Chuck for being honest in his post and his assessment of his
contribution to those posts. ;-)

Fixing the NG
 

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
So what your saying is that this newsgroup should stick to boating stories
or discussions ONLY.

Tell me something, when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and hear the table
beside you talking about something other than boats, are you going to
suggest to them that that type of conversation is not welcome there ? I
guess the obvious is due,,, if you dont like the posts that do not relate
to
boating, dont read them. Do you have a fee or maximum you are being
charged
by your server as to the number of postings you download ? I mean, I only
see maybe 5 or 10 posts per day on this group, sometimes more, some times
less. I can understand your point should this group get flooded with
postings.

If I want to talk politics, or any other subject I will find a group that
pertains to that subject.
I would bet that if there was less crap here we would see more posts from
new people. Now they pop in, see what a bunch of nuts hang around here and
leave.

I don't mind a little OT once in a while, but this "rec.boats.politics" has
gotten WAY out of hand. It takes me longer to mark posts "ignore" than it
does to read the pertainant posts! I am trying to decide if it worth my time
to even check the group. If I feel that way, and I have been hanging around
since June of 2001, what will a potential group newby think??
Greg

Fixing the NG
 

Jim-- wrote:
While your intentions are sincere I doubt that a matter of a couple of
hundred votes is going to have any impact on the election.

Chuck Gould offered a nice solution to the problem. Read it in the thread
"Starting a new newsgroup".

I will be interested to see if everyone agrees on his solution, especially
those Chuck names in his post. As I said, I am in, but will bow once the
agreement is breached by one of the "Dirty 7", as well as the likes of doug
kanter, Dave Hall, bb, JohnH, ignoramus and basskisser. ;-)

I'm NOT "in". Those that have been here long enough will recall when
the spamming OMC dealers were raging, a "truce" was offered for one month.

All we had to do was not be abusive & just say what technical things we
needed to say. I signed up & as soon as I had, the others just continued
& indeed made things even worse for me over the month it took to serve
out what I said I'd do. I was determined to honour the undertaking.

So don't kid yourself Jim, Harry the liar & his cohorts are scum & will
just take advantage of anything they can to continue the abusive OT
behaviour, & forget trying to pretend alice in wonderland style, that
he'll improve if other stop, as I know you already know he just gets
worse!!!

I intend defending myself & what I say, I've seen the great results
your current great president has had on the war against terror:-) so
think appeasement is for liars & cowards; or the french of course:-)


K



"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:b9WMb.44637$na.37052@attbi_s04...

Since so many people here wish to impart partisan political influence, I
think the only thing to do is let them.

Therefore........ from this moment on I'll be looking at the originating

OT

posts to see if they come from the DNC or the GOP lackeys. I'm counting
hijacking an on topic thread to make it political as "originating" an OT
thread.

And I'll be voting for the party in November that originates the FEWER OT
posts. :p

Since so many here wish to sway hearts and minds - perhaps if enough

people

lined up with me, it would make them think.

-W

Fixing the NG
 

K Smith wrote in message ...
Jim-- wrote:
While your intentions are sincere I doubt that a matter of a couple of
hundred votes is going to have any impact on the election.

Chuck Gould offered a nice solution to the problem. Read it in the thread
"Starting a new newsgroup".

I will be interested to see if everyone agrees on his solution, especially
those Chuck names in his post. As I said, I am in, but will bow once the
agreement is breached by one of the "Dirty 7", as well as the likes of doug
kanter, Dave Hall, bb, JohnH, ignoramus and basskisser. ;-)

I'm NOT "in". Those that have been here long enough will recall when
the spamming OMC dealers were raging, a "truce" was offered for one month.

All we had to do was not be abusive & just say what technical things we
needed to say. I signed up & as soon as I had, the others just continued
& indeed made things even worse for me over the month it took to serve
out what I said I'd do. I was determined to honour the undertaking.

So don't kid yourself Jim, Harry the liar & his cohorts are scum & will
just take advantage of anything they can to continue the abusive OT
behaviour, & forget trying to pretend alice in wonderland style, that
he'll improve if other stop, as I know you already know he just gets
worse!!!

I intend defending myself & what I say, I've seen the great results
your current great president has had on the war against terror:-) so
think appeasement is for liars & cowards; or the french of course:-)


As a conservative's conservative who does vote in the United States, I
think your behavior on this forum does our cause great harm. You
constant refer to those who disagree with you as scum, liars and worse
and that sort of intemperate behavior does nothing to sway the
undecided.

Frankly, while I disagree with almost every political statement your
friend Harry Krause posts here, it is your behavior I find
disagreeable. You keep reposting hundreds of lines of your spin on
statements he has posted, you claim they are all lies, and yet you
offer no real proof of anything.

Are you having serious problems in your personal life that you must
attack others so viciously?

I admit I am a little over the edge in my conservative political
beliefs, but knowing that I poke a little fun mostly at myself and
sometimes at others, but always with a smile.

You aren't smiling.

Fixing the NG
 

In article ,
says...

I intend defending myself & what I say,

About things which you know little or nothing...

Fixing the NG
 

In article ,
says...

As a conservative's conservative who does vote in the United States

You are unique. If truly a conservative, you're among a handful I've
witnessed with the ability (and propensity) to be self deprecating.

I honestly thought you were left of center based on your (very
entertaining) posts and thought awareness of self was an exclusively
left thing.

Clearly, I was wrong.

Unless you're yanking our rodes.

jps

Fixing the NG
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

I intend defending myself & what I say,

About things which you know little or nothing...

Why do you continue with the one line insults?

Fixing the NG
 

jps,
What do you think about ignoring the OT posts and seeing if we can get a NG
that is more related to boating? I can tell you enjoy baiting those you
disagree politically, but there are a ton of NG you can have heated
political discussions. It would be interesting to see what people talked
about if we stopped talking politics.


"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

As a conservative's conservative who does vote in the United States

You are unique. If truly a conservative, you're among a handful I've
witnessed with the ability (and propensity) to be self deprecating.

I honestly thought you were left of center based on your (very
entertaining) posts and thought awareness of self was an exclusively
left thing.

Clearly, I was wrong.

Unless you're yanking our rodes.

jps

Fixing the NG
 

The reason jps uses one line insults is because that is what most people do
in rec.boats. They have a chance to have a lively discussion and some
people get a thrill out of making someone else look foolish, in reality when
you are wrestling with a pig everyone gets dirty and the pig enjoys it.

If the NG is going to change, each individual is going to have to decide he
is going to ignore those things that are destroying this NG.

I read in one of Chuck's posts that you sold your boat, is that true?

If so what did you have and why did you sell it?


"Jim--" wrote in message
...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

I intend defending myself & what I say,

About things which you know little or nothing...

Why do you continue with the one line insults?

Fixing the NG
 

"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:7kfNb.49753$Rc4.199978@attbi_s54...
The reason jps uses one line insults is because that is what most people
do
in rec.boats. They have a chance to have a lively discussion and some
people get a thrill out of making someone else look foolish, in reality
when
you are wrestling with a pig everyone gets dirty and the pig enjoys it.

If the NG is going to change, each individual is going to have to decide
he
is going to ignore those things that are destroying this NG.

I read in one of Chuck's posts that you sold your boat, is that true?

If so what did you have and why did you sell it?

Yes, we sold it. We had been in boating for over 25 years. The boat was
sold for 2 reasons:

1. My wife is suffering from a debilitating neurological disorder in her
legs making it difficult to walk. Walking down the ramp to the boat, then
getting into the boat was becoming increasingly difficult for her.

2. Our son and daughter started to show little interest in the boat.
Instead of spending weekends on the boat with us they would rather be with
their friends.

When both kids are out of college (hopefully 7 years from now) we plan to
purchase a house on the water. We will then get back into boating, probably
going with something smaller...perhaps a 27 footer. This, of course,
assumes that my wife's medical condition does not continue to deteriorate.

Thanks for asking. ;-)

Fixing the NG
 

In article _ffNb.52177$nt4.83960@attbi_s51, says...
jps,
What do you think about ignoring the OT posts and seeing if we can get a NG
that is more related to boating? I can tell you enjoy baiting those you
disagree politically, but there are a ton of NG you can have heated
political discussions. It would be interesting to see what people talked
about if we stopped talking politics.

I'll make you a deal. You reveal all your sigs for the last three years
I'll stop OT posting for a month.

jps

Fixing the NG
 

jps,
I am not suggesting anyone leave the group, I just thought Chuck's
suggestion was a good one. If you enjoy the theme and tone of the we
currently have, then there is no reason to change.

Have a good day.


"jps" wrote in message
...
In article _ffNb.52177$nt4.83960@attbi_s51, says...
jps,
What do you think about ignoring the OT posts and seeing if we can get a
NG
that is more related to boating? I can tell you enjoy baiting those you
disagree politically, but there are a ton of NG you can have heated
political discussions. It would be interesting to see what people
talked
about if we stopped talking politics.

I'll make you a deal. You reveal all your sigs for the last three years
I'll stop OT posting for a month.

jps

Fixing the NG
 

In article pMiNb.54056$nt4.84393@attbi_s51, says...

I'll make you a deal. You reveal all your sigs for the last three years
I'll stop OT posting for a month.

jps


jps,
I am not suggesting anyone leave the group, I just thought Chuck's
suggestion was a good one. If you enjoy the theme and tone of the we
currently have, then there is no reason to change.


I didn't say leave. I said that I'd stop posting off-topic for a month
if you agree to list all your sigs over the last three years.

Fixing the NG
 

jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...

As a conservative's conservative who does vote in the United States

You are unique. If truly a conservative, you're among a handful I've
witnessed with the ability (and propensity) to be self deprecating.

I honestly thought you were left of center based on your (very
entertaining) posts and thought awareness of self was an exclusively
left thing.

Clearly, I was wrong.

Unless you're yanking our rodes.

jps

No, I'm a conservative, but apparently not a 21st Century Republican
Conservative. I voted for Bush the last time out. It was difficult for
me because I didn';t trust him much and I didn't think he was overly
smart. I would have preferred McCain. I have a lot of problems with
the way Bush has turned out, especially in his budget-busting and in
his foreign policy but he also makes me nervous with his expanion of
police powers. No true conservative wants to see police powers
expanded in the kind of democracy we have had until now. Frankly I
just don't trust Bush.

I don't know what I will do this fall. Hold my nose and vote for Bush
or not vote for president or, gasp, vote for the democrat, if he turns
out to be a reasonable middle of the road type? I wish a true thinking
conservative would enter the races, but Bush surely has the GOP
nomination.

Maybe we need viable third and fourth parties.

Fixing the NG
 

In article ,
says...
jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...

As a conservative's conservative who does vote in the United States

You are unique. If truly a conservative, you're among a handful I've
witnessed with the ability (and propensity) to be self deprecating.

I honestly thought you were left of center based on your (very
entertaining) posts and thought awareness of self was an exclusively
left thing.

Clearly, I was wrong.

Unless you're yanking our rodes.

jps

No, I'm a conservative, but apparently not a 21st Century Republican
Conservative. I voted for Bush the last time out. It was difficult for
me because I didn';t trust him much and I didn't think he was overly
smart. I would have preferred McCain. I have a lot of problems with
the way Bush has turned out, especially in his budget-busting and in
his foreign policy but he also makes me nervous with his expanion of
police powers. No true conservative wants to see police powers
expanded in the kind of democracy we have had until now. Frankly I
just don't trust Bush.

I don't know what I will do this fall. Hold my nose and vote for Bush
or not vote for president or, gasp, vote for the democrat, if he turns
out to be a reasonable middle of the road type? I wish a true thinking
conservative would enter the races, but Bush surely has the GOP
nomination.

Maybe we need viable third and fourth parties.

The Greens just ain't gonna do it. Karl Rove and Grover Norquist want
to make it a one party system.

If I were you I'd consider Dean. He's been painted as a "liberal" but
he sure seems a hell of a lot more conservative than liberal to me.

If you're a fiscal conservative and a social moderate-to-liberal, Dean
may fit your bill. But, you did describe yourself as a conservative's
conservative...that could mean you're also a social conservative which,
based on your writing, doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps what you were
saying is that you're a *real* conservative, the type that existed prior
to the term being co-opted by a group of cynical liars who wear the
moniker but embody none of the principles. If *conservative* still had
it's dictionary definition, I'd certainly consider myself conservative
in many regards.

I'm with you on McCain. If I had the choice of another wimpy Dem and
McCain, I may "hold my nose" and vote for the guy who'd run an
administration based on policy, not on politics. The group in there now
make the previous administration look like pikers when it comes to
deceit.

I do believe, on the whole, Clinton had the country's best interests in
mind. This Bush group just couldn't give a **** for anything but
business and staying in power.

jps

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:45:20 -0800, Mad Dog Dave wrote:


Maybe we need viable third and fourth parties.

Precisely why I was disappointed Perot whimped out. I didn't necessarily
think he would make a good President, but the message to *both* the
Democrats and Republicans, that they weren't doing their job, would have
been enough.

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jps wrote in message .. .
In article ,
says...
jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...

As a conservative's conservative who does vote in the United States

You are unique. If truly a conservative, you're among a handful I've
witnessed with the ability (and propensity) to be self deprecating.

I honestly thought you were left of center based on your (very
entertaining) posts and thought awareness of self was an exclusively
left thing.

Clearly, I was wrong.

Unless you're yanking our rodes.

jps

No, I'm a conservative, but apparently not a 21st Century Republican
Conservative. I voted for Bush the last time out. It was difficult for
me because I didn';t trust him much and I didn't think he was overly
smart. I would have preferred McCain. I have a lot of problems with
the way Bush has turned out, especially in his budget-busting and in
his foreign policy but he also makes me nervous with his expanion of
police powers. No true conservative wants to see police powers
expanded in the kind of democracy we have had until now. Frankly I
just don't trust Bush.

I don't know what I will do this fall. Hold my nose and vote for Bush
or not vote for president or, gasp, vote for the democrat, if he turns
out to be a reasonable middle of the road type? I wish a true thinking
conservative would enter the races, but Bush surely has the GOP
nomination.

Maybe we need viable third and fourth parties.

The Greens just ain't gonna do it. Karl Rove and Grover Norquist want
to make it a one party system.

I understand that. I wasn't thinking of the greens, although as a true
conservative, I am an environmentalist. The really funny thing about
most of today's conservatives is that they have not a clue about what
true conservatism means. It has almost nothing to do with right-wing
politics.

As another example, a true conservative is outraged at the intrusion
of church into state.


If I were you I'd consider Dean. He's been painted as a "liberal" but
he sure seems a hell of a lot more conservative than liberal to me.

He might be ok but I just don't know a whole lot about him. I am
attracted to the fact that he is a doctor because that assures a
certain level of smarts.




If you're a fiscal conservative and a social moderate-to-liberal, Dean
may fit your bill. But, you did describe yourself as a conservative's
conservative...that could mean you're also a social conservative which,
based on your writing, doesn't seem to fit.

As a true conservative, I oppose the government peeking into people's
bedrooms. I oppose attempts to infringe upon free speech. I also
oppose running up the federal deficit the way it has been done the
last two years while at the same time cutting the taxes necessary to
pay our country's bills.




I do believe, on the whole, Clinton had the country's best interests in
mind. This Bush group just couldn't give a **** for anything but
business and staying in power.

jps

In the balance Clinton was a middle of the roader. I wish he would
have kept his pants zipped.

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" Tuuk" wrote
when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and
hear the table beside you talking about something other
than boats, are you going to suggest to them that that
type of conversation is not welcome there ?

Of course not, but let's make the analogy a little more applicable to what's
happening in this group. Suppose you go to your marina or clubhouse and find
that some of the members have set up soap boxes at numerous locations and
have taken to loudly declaring their political affiliations and decrying
their opponents throughout the day and night. And while they're at it, they
regularly bring in stacks of newspaper clippings and tracts representing
their favorite causes, and they've taken it upon themselves to "educate" you
by stapling them to every available surface. Would you find this to be
acceptable behavior? Would asking them to tone it down a few notches be
censorship?

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just fix it!

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Not the same, incompatible.
Ignore them if they bother you, you can killfile someone who continually
upsets you, therefore you will only receive posts directly related to
boating.





"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and
hear the table beside you talking about something other
than boats, are you going to suggest to them that that
type of conversation is not welcome there ?

Of course not, but let's make the analogy a little more applicable to
what's
happening in this group. Suppose you go to your marina or clubhouse and
find
that some of the members have set up soap boxes at numerous locations and
have taken to loudly declaring their political affiliations and decrying
their opponents throughout the day and night. And while they're at it,
they
regularly bring in stacks of newspaper clippings and tracts representing
their favorite causes, and they've taken it upon themselves to "educate"
you
by stapling them to every available surface. Would you find this to be
acceptable behavior? Would asking them to tone it down a few notches be
censorship?

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"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message ...
" Tuuk" wrote
when you sail your yacht over to another marina or boat
club, park it, go into the clubhouse for a few drinks and
hear the table beside you talking about something other
than boats, are you going to suggest to them that that
type of conversation is not welcome there ?

Of course not, but let's make the analogy a little more applicable to what's
happening in this group. Suppose you go to your marina or clubhouse and find
that some of the members have set up soap boxes at numerous locations and
have taken to loudly declaring their political affiliations and decrying
their opponents throughout the day and night. And while they're at it, they
regularly bring in stacks of newspaper clippings and tracts representing
their favorite causes, and they've taken it upon themselves to "educate" you
by stapling them to every available surface. Would you find this to be
acceptable behavior? Would asking them to tone it down a few notches be
censorship?


What really boggles me is my constant taking of the bait. Harry, is a
liar, JPS and Basskisser are sock puppets, to Gould's defence he
probably knows no better but unfortunately has proven that he is
willing to take things out of context and be outright intellectually
dishonest in defence of his agenda, Kanter might be as bright as Gould
but still driven by political agenda, and here I am, with all my
quirks, trying to have an honest debate in a room where there is no
accounting for what you say, ego and political agenda outweigh truth?
I guess I may need therapy as some other wannabe suggested, but for
now, I am just going to the other corner of the room with the boaters,
and relax, get ready for what should be a great season for boating
related industry. Good luck, and to those of you who boat, see you on
the river.

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Mad Dog Dave wrote:

Aside from Miss Smith's constantly repeating every post of Harry
Krause and calling it a lie, I see no evidence of lying.


Nothing like fresh meat in the newsgroup. Stick around sonny.

-- Charlie


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" Tuuk" wrote
Not the same, incompatible.

What you're saying essentially is that the standards of decorum and common
courtesy that we all accept in our face to face interactions with others are
not applicable in rec.boats. Why is that? Because you can get away with it?

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Clams,

A truly novel idea and please do keep us posted on the tally/results. I
personally do not get to sit a read most of the posts, but at least those
who do, have lately been pre-fixing the "OT" in the subject. I just ignore
those completely.

As to killfiles, I do not use them. Some of those same lackeys do post and
hold normal boating related threads, for awhile anyways.

For me, I plan to use the new boat more often. Being in SW Florida we never
have to winterize our boats, although sometimes I do have to put on the LL
Bean fleece for the run. Cabbage Key is ALWAYS open for business, especially
when the fish ain't biting!

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:b9WMb.44637$na.37052@attbi_s04...
Since so many people here wish to impart partisan political influence, I
think the only thing to do is let them.

Therefore........ from this moment on I'll be looking at the originating
OT
posts to see if they come from the DNC or the GOP lackeys. I'm counting
hijacking an on topic thread to make it political as "originating" an OT
thread.

And I'll be voting for the party in November that originates the FEWER OT
posts. :p

Since so many here wish to sway hearts and minds - perhaps if enough
people
lined up with me, it would make them think.

-W