Tink:
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So if you take all your artwork, and noble projects, and ideas, and go
out to the local landfill and decorate it so that it looks nicer, like
Cristo in Central Park. Invite in all the media, and take pictures and
write stories. Maybe get some sort of metal from congress for your
contribution to mankind. 100 years from now, shoot 30 years from now
for most of us, and it will just be a landfill.
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Like I said, you haven't a clue. My legacy lives in so many ways, some
of which are material. Most importantly, through my interactions with
my fellow humans shall I be known (WOW! real biblical ring to that, eh?
GRIN). And, if I do a good job through my interactions with fellow
beings, I'll still be around (the essence of what I teach, anyway) for
decades to come. What more could one ask for? [Why do I think you'll
tell me?]

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink:
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So if you take all your artwork, and noble projects, and ideas, and
go
out to the local landfill and decorate it so that it looks nicer,
like
Cristo in Central Park. Invite in all the media, and take pictures
and
write stories. Maybe get some sort of metal from congress for your
contribution to mankind. 100 years from now, shoot 30 years from now
for most of us, and it will just be a landfill.
=============

Like I said, you haven't a clue. My legacy lives in so many ways,
some
of which are material. Most importantly, through my interactions with
my fellow humans shall I be known (WOW! real biblical ring to that,
eh?
GRIN). And, if I do a good job through my interactions with fellow
beings, I'll still be around (the essence of what I teach, anyway)
for
decades to come. What more could one ask for? [Why do I think you'll
tell me?]

frtzw906

So clue me in to this legacy that will live. I have gotten to know you
a little, and I expect that you have been holding some cards close to
your chest. Show me your hand, I call you! TnT

Tink challenges:
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So clue me in to this legacy that will live. I have gotten to know you
a little, and I expect that you have been holding some cards close to
your chest. Show me your hand, I call you! TnT
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Tink, my interactions with fellow humans are vast. Let me give you
insight into non-work related stuff. I coach 4 different teams: 1
soccer and 3 field hockey (2 girls & one womens). If, a decade or two
from now, one of my players, perhaps coaching a team of her own, passes
on something that I taught or models some behavior, that's awesome. I
can't ask for more.

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink challenges:
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So clue me in to this legacy that will live. I have gotten to know
you
a little, and I expect that you have been holding some cards close to
your chest. Show me your hand, I call you! TnT
===============

Tink, my interactions with fellow humans are vast. Let me give you
insight into non-work related stuff. I coach 4 different teams: 1
soccer and 3 field hockey (2 girls & one womens). If, a decade or two
from now, one of my players, perhaps coaching a team of her own,
passes
on something that I taught or models some behavior, that's awesome. I
can't ask for more.

frtzw906

You mention non-working, indicating that there is work related as well,
can you high-light. I am trying to get a general total idea of what you
as a representative Secular Humanist, finds as an acceptable expression
of Secular Humanism. What you participate in that would be defining
activities.

You mention the coaching, which is good, but hardly defining of SH.
There are many who coach and would probably make no such claims. Are
you involved in any identifiable groups that allow you to illuminate
others with your understandind directly, not indirectly?

Can you voice a personal philosophy that you typically would share with
someone if they are interested. Not KMAN's list which was instructive,
though not helpful in determing personal involvement and commitment!

It is easy to say I belive such and such, which is what so many
supposed Christians do, but when pressed, really have no idea of what
they really believe. They just make the claim because they have learned
the religious language, and try to get you off their bank by answering
what they think you want to hear.

Basically I am saying, I am giving you opportunity to proselytize me
with what you believe. Convince me of the wisdom of your way! TnT

Tink asks:
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Basically I am saying, I am giving you opportunity to proselytize me
with what you believe. Convince me of the wisdom of your way!
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What can I say, Tink, except that I found KMAN's list more than
adequate.

As to the other stuff, you may recall that you made some innane comment
about whatever I do ending up on a scrap heap (I can't recall your
exact words, but that pretty-much sums it up). And I explained to you
that whatever I do likely will NOT end up on a scrap heap but, would,
rather, live long past my physical demise. This legacy (for lack of a
better word right now) constitutes my after-life. I'm content with
that. That gves me a warm fuzzy feeling right now.

By way of example, I was up at the field hockey clubhouse last night.
In one of the meetings for novice coaches, I saw 6 girls/young women
who I had coached earlier in their careers. They may well have their
own motives for wanting to coach, but I also know them well enough to
know that by modelling behavior, I influenced them (and I know for a
fact they'll use many of the coaching drills and tactics I used). So,
already a "legacy". Now, if these young ladies have a similar impact on
their players, isn't that one hell of an "after-life" even before I'm
gone. That, Tink, is what an after-life means to me -- making
differences in peoples' lives that they'll not soon forget.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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Tink asks:
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Basically I am saying, I am giving you opportunity to proselytize me
with what you believe. Convince me of the wisdom of your way!
=============

What can I say, Tink, except that I found KMAN's list more than
adequate.

As to the other stuff, you may recall that you made some innane comment
about whatever I do ending up on a scrap heap (I can't recall your
exact words, but that pretty-much sums it up). And I explained to you
that whatever I do likely will NOT end up on a scrap heap but, would,
rather, live long past my physical demise. This legacy (for lack of a
better word right now) constitutes my after-life. I'm content with
that. That gves me a warm fuzzy feeling right now.

By way of example, I was up at the field hockey clubhouse last night.
In one of the meetings for novice coaches, I saw 6 girls/young women
who I had coached earlier in their careers. They may well have their
own motives for wanting to coach, but I also know them well enough to
know that by modelling behavior, I influenced them (and I know for a
fact they'll use many of the coaching drills and tactics I used). So,
already a "legacy". Now, if these young ladies have a similar impact on
their players, isn't that one hell of an "after-life" even before I'm
gone. That, Tink, is what an after-life means to me -- making
differences in peoples' lives that they'll not soon forget.

frtzw906

Right on brother!

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink asks:
==============
Basically I am saying, I am giving you opportunity to proselytize me
with what you believe. Convince me of the wisdom of your way!
=============

What can I say, Tink, except that I found KMAN's list more than
adequate.

As to the other stuff, you may recall that you made some innane
comment
about whatever I do ending up on a scrap heap (I can't recall your
exact words, but that pretty-much sums it up). And I explained to you
that whatever I do likely will NOT end up on a scrap heap but, would,
rather, live long past my physical demise. This legacy (for lack of a
better word right now) constitutes my after-life. I'm content with
that. That gves me a warm fuzzy feeling right now.

By way of example, I was up at the field hockey clubhouse last night.
In one of the meetings for novice coaches, I saw 6 girls/young women
who I had coached earlier in their careers. They may well have their
own motives for wanting to coach, but I also know them well enough to
know that by modelling behavior, I influenced them (and I know for a
fact they'll use many of the coaching drills and tactics I used). So,
already a "legacy". Now, if these young ladies have a similar impact
on
their players, isn't that one hell of an "after-life" even before I'm
gone. That, Tink, is what an after-life means to me -- making
differences in peoples' lives that they'll not soon forget.

frtzw906

frtzw, I want you to know that I expect that you are a very nice man,
that we could have a great time paddling or playing chess together. We
could probably enjoy a good conversation over some beer and pretzels.
If my stomping through your memorial gardens seemed unceremonius, and
agregious, and upset you, I apologize. However it was not pointless. I
desired to upset you. If my little rant could upset you, then you must
now add that to your memorial garden. Maybe that you have been attacked
by a rabid Christian should read well on your memorial headstone, or
maybe that you let him get under your skin for being rude! No, that
would not read as well!

That we have had an interesting conversation should also be noted in
your memorial, that you are a nice guy, that you have dedicated your
life to educating young people in sportsmanship, drills and tactics.
That someone 20, 30, or 40 years from now will speak highly of you,
will be your lasting legacy.

I look forward to continuing our converstion, for I am learning alot of
new and wonderful things, That may be on your legacy stone as well!

I did come across some interesting web articles that I wanted to share
with you about the religious right, and conservative politics. I think
you will find them interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/5s3h6

http://tinyurl.com/62d7v


It seems that all is not as it appears in Shangri-la! TnT