BCITORGB wrote:
Tink says:
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Religion by its nature, tends to find alot of comfort in the
Status Quo, and the political right, has said that it to is
interested
in the same.
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Hmmmm... are you sure that's correct? JC was hardly an advocate for
the
status quo (and what about those Latin American Catholic priests who
bucked the pope and the entire Catholic bureaucracy?).

But, OK, for the sake of this discussion, we'll go with your premise.

Ok, but see that I said "tend", some times they go off and do something
totally unexpected, which makes them very difficult political
bedfellows to endure for long, as I said, don't look for logic!

Tink says:
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Jimmy Carter. He was held up as
the next best thing to the Messiah, he was "born-again." Well he left
office in disgrace, and was a terrible embarassment to the religious,
for political reasons.
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How was he an embarassment. I would think that his current charitable
work would be a credit to any regigious group.

Granted, he has gone out and redeemed his image, but when he left
office, the religious were embarrassed. I do not know what truly
motivates him, so I don't know whether they would be embarassed now. He
could just be interested in building his legacy, which is self serving,
and not really philantrophic, and certainly not Christian! He seems to
me to relish the camera and spotlight to much to convince me that there
are not ulterior motives.

Tink says:
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Then came Reagan, who again, was born-again, and the friend of the
religious right.
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Do you believe that about Reagan? About being born-again, I mean. I
suspect he was more of a political opportunist who used religion to
befriend the religious right.

I did not again personally know Reagan to make any sort of specific
judgement, though as a politician, I suspect that there was some
political opportunism going on as with Carter.


Tink:
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But now Bill was a "born again christian", and we all
remember where that got us, basically today.
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Do you believe that about Clinton? About being born-again, I mean. I
suspect he was more of a political opportunist who used religion to
get
votes in the South

Ditto!

Tink says:
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The fact that certain apparently rabid Christians are on board the
Lollypop, means absolutely nothing about what you can assume about
their faith, and that they even believe the part about "God Loves
you."
Usually that is just some cosmetic they put on just before they run
over you, run off with your wife, run off with your money, and likely
all three! And certainly do not expect them to correlate any further
what else they say they believe religiously and what they say they
believe politically. Don't be so naiive to think logic has anything
to
do with it, or that being a true Christian has anything to do with it
either.
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Tink, I think you've made a very cogent argument. Perhaps you're
right.

I'll stew on that for a bit.

Cheers,
frtzw906

Don't burn the stew! TnT