KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/6/05 1:57 PM:


Michael Daly wrote:
On 4-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Then again, one of the justifications put forward for banning
homosexual
sodomy is that such acts are dangerous to the public health. The
AIDS
epidemic among homosexuals lent credence to this justification in
the eyes
of those who make the laws.

The AIDS epidemic is overwhelmingly among heterosexuals. Any
reasonable
source for AIDS statistics will point that out. Blaming
homosexuals
for AIDS is nothing but the bias of the ignorant.

Anti-sodomy laws are based
in the same legal theory as laws which proscribe sexual activity
between
adults and children.

The big difference is consent - adults can consent to behavior,
children are assumed to not be able to. Any law that assumes
that adults are not able to consent removes responsibility from
adults and puts it in the hands of the law. Hardly a description
of a free country.

(such as pedophilia or rape) then you implicitly agree that
the state has the power to decide WHICH sexual behavior it wishes
to
control.

Pedophilia or rape do not involve consent. Behavior that does
should
not
be controled by the state.

Mike

Just in passing, do you drive on the right side, or the left side
of
the street in Canada? TnT

We don't have cars yet, Tinkerntom. Geezus. Our countries are
attached. Why
is Canada such a big mystery?

The state controls all kinds of behavior, some of which is not
intrinsiclally good or bad, some which is definitely questionable. It
does not have to be a matter of legal consent, but for social order,
and the protection of life and property. Whether which side of the road
the State determines a driver should drive on, or whether certain
behavior is aceptable or not. TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/6/05 9:49 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/6/05 1:57 PM:


Michael Daly wrote:
On 4-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Then again, one of the justifications put forward for banning
homosexual
sodomy is that such acts are dangerous to the public health. The
AIDS
epidemic among homosexuals lent credence to this justification in
the eyes
of those who make the laws.

The AIDS epidemic is overwhelmingly among heterosexuals. Any
reasonable
source for AIDS statistics will point that out. Blaming
homosexuals
for AIDS is nothing but the bias of the ignorant.

Anti-sodomy laws are based
in the same legal theory as laws which proscribe sexual activity
between
adults and children.

The big difference is consent - adults can consent to behavior,
children are assumed to not be able to. Any law that assumes
that adults are not able to consent removes responsibility from
adults and puts it in the hands of the law. Hardly a description
of a free country.

(such as pedophilia or rape) then you implicitly agree that
the state has the power to decide WHICH sexual behavior it wishes
to
control.

Pedophilia or rape do not involve consent. Behavior that does
should
not
be controled by the state.

Mike

Just in passing, do you drive on the right side, or the left side
of
the street in Canada? TnT

We don't have cars yet, Tinkerntom. Geezus. Our countries are
attached. Why
is Canada such a big mystery?

The state controls all kinds of behavior, some of which is not
intrinsiclally good or bad, some which is definitely questionable. It
does not have to be a matter of legal consent, but for social order,
and the protection of life and property. Whether which side of the road
the State determines a driver should drive on, or whether certain
behavior is aceptable or not. TnT

Holy crap, I think you've advanced from reefer to LSD. What are you trippin
on dude?

On 6-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

The state controls all kinds of behavior, some of which is not
intrinsiclally good or bad, some which is definitely questionable. It
does not have to be a matter of legal consent, but for social order,
and the protection of life and property. Whether which side of the road
the State determines a driver should drive on, or whether certain
behavior is aceptable or not. TnT

Agreed. However, there's a big difference between driving like an
idiot (no consent on the part of other drivers) and having sex with your
partner.

Americans seem to welcome Big Brother in their bedrooms. Other countries
prefer privacy. Your choice.

Mike