Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Or are you saying that it is in fact impossible, based on the
separation of the spiritual realm, and the world where we now
dwell,
and that we are just blowing smoke if we claim such an event has
ever,

It's fairly simple, in fact. The page you linked to is interesting,
as
it demonstrates my point. There is no description of God there.

There is the ambiguous reference to making man in His likeness and
image,
but, as I was taught in grade school, that _may_ only be a reference
to
our mental capacities and ability to choose, not that our physical
form
is the same. No direct reference in the Bible indicates that we have
the same general physical form. Those that are said to have seen God
did not describe Him.

If we are to try to prove God's existence in the physical world, we
have to be aware of His presence in the physical world as a physical
being. The Bible does not offer any evidence of what to expect.
Nor does it show that He is always around in physical form but,
rather,
suggests that He chooses to reveal Himself only on occasion. Since
we don't know what to look for noe when to look, we are at a serious
disadvantage.

The spiritual world cannot be touched or felt. We have no device to
detect it. People who claim to be in touch with the spiritual
world (spiritualists) are considered frauds. Belief in spiritualism,
within the Roman Catholic Church for example, is wrong. This is
not the same thing as getting in touch with the spiritual world by,
say, praying. That, however, is a one-way street. Any possible
results of praying are covered under the vague "mysterious ways"
and cannot be used reliably as an experimental result.

If you want to move into another religion and discuss worldly gods,
then the situation changes. However, the Judeo-Christian God is
presented in the Bible and that's what we have to work with.


On 2/20, you said, "I have _never_ said that God does not exist. I
have never said that belief in God is a sign of a lack of
intelligence."

Does this mean that you do believe in God?

And is this God the same God that you are referring to now the same
God, as mentioned and quoted in this statement, "the Judeo-Christian
God is presented in the Bible and that's what we have to work with"?

Please excuse the nitpicking right now, for this is very interesting
and thought provoking, but I am wanting to be certain that I understand
what you are saying, and what your basis is for these statements.

I am wanting also to clarify that you are not talking about some other
religion and their gods, which would have no logical connection to the
present conversation of the Judeo-Christian God and whether He has
appeared as God in this past or present world. I don't think you are
making any such reference, but I would like to be absolutely sure, so
that it would not confuse the converstion and flow of logic as the
discussion progresses.




or will ever occur?

I cannot claim to know the future. I leave that to fools like
weiser.

Mike

I also do not know the future, but I do look forward to continuing this
converstion in the future. You made a number of points that I will look
forward to understanding more clearly. TnT