A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 1-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Well, given that there are many examples of the various manifestations of
God in the Bible,

Hey dickhead - you still insist on ignoring what I wrote in favour of
your bizarre interpretations. I said "no manifestations of God _as_God_"

Since you obviously don't get to define how God manifests himself, God does,
your statement is non sequitur.

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On 2-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Since you obviously don't get to define how God manifests himself, God does,

I'm making no such definitions. God can manifest mimself in any way He
chooses. However, there is no documentation in the Bible of God
manifesting Himself in any way that is deemed to be Himself. All
manifestations are as something else - a man, a burning bush, etc.

You don't get it, you never will.

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:
On 2-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Since you obviously don't get to define how God manifests himself,
God does,

I'm making no such definitions. God can manifest mimself in any way
He
chooses. However, there is no documentation in the Bible of God
manifesting Himself in any way that is deemed to be Himself. All
manifestations are as something else - a man, a burning bush, etc.

You don't get it, you never will.

Mike

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would you know
that it is God that did this? TnT

On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would you know
that it is God that did this

If He was in the form of a person, I wouldn't know. If it was something
that could punch me in the nose but didn't look like a person or any
other common critter, I'd be suspicious. However, I don't know that
"God" would be my first guess.

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would you
know
that it is God that did this

If He was in the form of a person, I wouldn't know. If it was
something
that could punch me in the nose but didn't look like a person or any
other common critter, I'd be suspicious. However, I don't know that
"God" would be my first guess.

Mike

Fair enough, I agree that if He punched you in the nose, I suspect you
would be within the bounds of reason if God was not your first guess.
Do you have any thoughts or guesses about what God would do if He
confronted you face to face, if not punch you in the nose? TnT

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Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would you
know
that it is God that did this

If He was in the form of a person, I wouldn't know. If it was
something
that could punch me in the nose but didn't look like a person or any
other common critter, I'd be suspicious. However, I don't know that
"God" would be my first guess.

Mike

Fair enough, I agree that if He punched you in the nose, I suspect you
would be within the bounds of reason if God was not your first guess.
Do you have any thoughts or guesses about what God would do if He
confronted you face to face, if not punch you in the nose? TnT

He'd say: "How the hell could you talk about god with Tinkerntom for this
long! I was reading the thread and my head started to hurt so much I tried
to kill myself, but as you know, I'm an omnipotent spirit, to such an extent
that I can't even do myself in!"

KMAN wrote:
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Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would
you
know
that it is God that did this

If He was in the form of a person, I wouldn't know. If it was
something
that could punch me in the nose but didn't look like a person or
any
other common critter, I'd be suspicious. However, I don't know
that
"God" would be my first guess.

Mike

Fair enough, I agree that if He punched you in the nose, I suspect
you
would be within the bounds of reason if God was not your first
guess.
Do you have any thoughts or guesses about what God would do if He
confronted you face to face, if not punch you in the nose? TnT

He'd say: "How the hell could you talk about god with Tinkerntom for
this
long! I was reading the thread and my head started to hurt so much I
tried
to kill myself, but as you know, I'm an omnipotent spirit, to such an
extent
that I can't even do myself in!"

I can see that lake of fire now, Kman on one side, and rick on the
other, yelling at each other. Liarman!!!!! Scumbag!!!!! And it goes on
forever and ever and ever! Now that would be hell for the rest of us!
TnT

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 2-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Since you obviously don't get to define how God manifests himself, God does,

I'm making no such definitions. God can manifest mimself in any way He
chooses. However, there is no documentation in the Bible of God
manifesting Himself in any way that is deemed to be Himself.

Really? How, exactly, does the Bible "deem" how God manifests himself as
himself? Any cites which describe the "true manifestation" of God? Wouldn't
a biblical constraint on how God may manifest himself as "himself" be rather
limiting to, well, God? Why would God so restrict himself?

He wouldn't.

You are merely trying to impose an artificial limitation on the "legitimate"
manifestations of God as "himself" in order to tautologically support your
unsupportable argument.

All
manifestations are as something else - a man, a burning bush, etc.

Well, since God is omnipotent and omnipresent (according to dogma), it would
seem to me that God can "be" anything he wants. In fact, he can (and indeed
is by many definitions) be EVERYTHING at once if he wants. He is, after all,
without limitation by definition. Thus, if he "manifests" himself as a man,
or a burning bush, he is manifesting himself as himself.

You don't get it, you never will.

No, quite clearly, you don't get it. It is possible, however, that you
someday will.


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Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

On 4-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

How, exactly, does the Bible "deem" how God manifests himself as
himself?

How about if it _says_ so. Try reading the Bible - it does describe
these things. And nowhere does it say "this is what God looks like".

Thus, if he "manifests" himself as a man,
or a burning bush, he is manifesting himself as himself.

Once again, you prefer playing with words instead of addressing
the issue directly. If he manifests himself as a man, we cannot
tell it is God. That is exactly my point. We need a manifestation
that we can clearly identify as God and the Bible offers nothing
to help that.

Mike

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 4-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

How, exactly, does the Bible "deem" how God manifests himself as
himself?

How about if it _says_ so. Try reading the Bible - it does describe
these things. And nowhere does it say "this is what God looks like".

And does it have to say "this is what God looks like" in order for God to
decide to look like something else? What makes you think that God is
constrained by the words in a book?


Thus, if he "manifests" himself as a man,
or a burning bush, he is manifesting himself as himself.

Once again, you prefer playing with words instead of addressing
the issue directly. If he manifests himself as a man, we cannot
tell it is God. That is exactly my point.

Which is pretty much no point at all.

We need a manifestation
that we can clearly identify as God and the Bible offers nothing
to help that.

What you "need" and what God decides to provide are often two different
things. Do you think you have the authority to compel God to restrict God's
manifestations to appearances that you approve of? How hubric.


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Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser