in article et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 10:44 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
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in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 9:12 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
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snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as
usual.
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ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun shack
on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they killed
1000s of people every year"
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Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the derision
it
deserves.

Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make. Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.
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No, it was not. The only thing 'exposed' was you continued
ignorance on any subject you seem to reply to.





I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
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No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no rights
to
buy arms.

Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!
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LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?






What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
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Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your fantasy
world of make-believe.

I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.
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Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk about
spraying in parks.

It happens.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm

Detroit shooting spree deaths climb

Multiple victims contribute to alarming homicide rate

June 4, 2004

Destiny Payne, 11, lost an eye after her home on Dequindre was shot up in
April. With her is her mom, Yolanda Richardson. Police say the suspect
admitted to having the wrong house. His real target was a rival drug dealer.
Gunmen spraying bullets with high-powered weapons and killing more than one
person during a single shooting spree are driving up Detroit's homicide
rate.

Detroit police call it the new gangster mentality. The haphazard shooters
kill more than one person in an effort to leave no witnesses behind or to
send messages of dominance without regard to who is in the bullets' paths.

Such manic gunplay is the latest trend in one of America's most violent
cities, according to Detroit police, national experts and a Free Press
analysis of homicide statistics over the past 2 1/2 years.

The numbers show:

* About 60 multiple-victim shootings through May 31 of this year. In 17
of those cases, more than one person died, compared with seven such deaths
at this time last year.

* The practice of shooting up homes, cars and yards is catching children
in the cross fire, contributing to child homicides.

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* HOMICIDE VICTIMS: Those in drug trade are statistic leaders

* Of the nation's 10 largest cities, Detroit -- ranked 10th --
experienced the greatest increase in homicides in the first five months of
this year -- in large part, because of multiple-victim shootings.

But Detroit police say one of the biggest culprits in multiple-victim
homicides is rival drug dealers.

"There is a drug war in this city. It's not an organized war; it's a
guerrilla war," said a Detroit homicide detective, who asked not to be named
because he feared retaliation for speaking without department permission.
Criminologists say they do not know of any other city that is experiencing
as many multiple-victim shootings and related homicides as Detroit.
According to police in the nine other largest cities, such shootings are
rare.

Detroit homicide detectives call them common.

During a single week in May, there were three multiple-victim shootings,
killing two people and injuring seven. There were no triple, quadruple or
quintuple homicides at this time last year. But this year, there have been.

"You may or may not have the right house. You may or may not have the right
person. You may or may not have the right person in the right house,"
Detroit Homicide Lt. William Petersen said of shooters. "It's just stupid.
There are so many people dying of stupidity out here."

And sometimes, children are the unintended victims.

This year, 11 children 16 and younger have been killed, four accidentally.In
at least one case, children were injured when a shooter took aim at the
wrong house.

Last Friday, a 4-year-old was killed when someone shot up her father's car
as he was putting his children inside. The child's father also died. A
6-month-old child was not injured. There have been no arrests.

Four children were wounded April 7 when the wrong house was sprayed with
gunfire.

Yolanda Richardson was making Easter plans with her six children and an
8-year-old guest at her home in the 17500 block of Dequindre when the walls
exploded with bullets.

The bullets hit Richardson in the buttocks; they struck 16-year-old Johnnie
and 9-year-old Precious in the foot.

Her daughter Destiny Payne, 11, started running upstairs, pushing her friend
up with her, Richardson said. Destiny turned around and was hit once.

She lost her right eye.

Police arrested the alleged shooter, who they say admitted that he shot up
the wrong house while looking for a rival drug dealer.

At the home, bullet holes remain in a chair and to the right of the door.

Richardson is looking for a new home, but she can't afford one. The family
is staying wherever they can find space.

"We were a house full of kids," she said. "Now we are everywhere."

But officers also deal with the other extreme -- when a shooter deliberately
targets everyone inside.

On March 1, for example, someone got out of a white Ford Taurus and opened
fire as he walked up to the home of a reputed drug dealer in the 9700 block
of Woodlawn. Using an AK47, he fatally shot Kevin Cooper, 33, Robert Neal,
32, and Dorian Latham, 39, all of Detroit.

Two days later, Toryana Royal, 22, turned himself in to the 12th (Palmer
Park) Precinct. Another suspect, Alfonzo Thomas, 20, is still on the lam.

5 months, 3 increases

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said she cannot explain why Detroit has
more multiple-victim shootings than most cities but that she thinks better
technology could curtail them.

Worthy said she would like to have better ways to track guns and casings so
her office could better link criminals to crimes. That linkage could
increase their prison sentences. She said criminals who kill more than one
person often have committed other crimes.

In the span of five months, the city homicide rate has seen three surges,
Detroit Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings said. The chief declined to be
interviewed for this story.

The first uptick was in January, when 18 people were killed in a six-day
period -- including a triple and three double homicides.The homicide rate
surged again in mid-February, resulting in a decision by police brass to
require officers to work 12-hour shifts to help curb the trend.

The rate climbed again throughout much of April, when about 40 people were
killed. In one week in April, there were four multiple-victim shootings.

James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University criminologist, said there has been
a slight increase in gang-related homicides nationally, led by Los Angeles
and Chicago. But Detroit is not plagued by organized gangs.