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"rick" wrote in message nk.net... "KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message ink.net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/20/05 10:48 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/20/05 5:17 PM: snippage... No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type of scan in a specific geographic area and the waiting is for non-emergencies. ================== LOL Again, sure. I understand that when he turns into an 'emergency' case he will be right in the door. That you don't see a problem with that says alot about your blindly following what you are being told... Being told by whom? ================== Your ideological mouth pieces. Apparently you can't think for yourself... What ideological mouthpieces? ====================== The ones that tell you that the Canadian system has no waiting times, and is the best system. Who are they? When did they tell me this? ================ You tell me. Or, were you just making up the stuff you claimed about getting in for any test right away? What are you talking about? You can't get any test you want right away. However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in the event of living in a geographically isolated area or some other area where there is less equipment and doctors than the norm, tests for non-emergencies might result in a long wait. Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater risk that being born to a African-American family in the US. Where does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the 'poor' in the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does? Where are you getting that information? ======================= Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada.... As I suspected. More yakety yak by someone who has no idea. ========================== LOL Thanks for proving that you are ignorant of computer use. Your statement does not compute. ======================= Of course not, not to someone that apparently dosen't know how to use theirs, eh? Logic system failure. ==================== Yes, you have failed at alot of things here. Core logic meltdown. As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that you have never backed up. This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim. ==================== Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints... No hinting necessary weasel. ================= Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity. You haven't called me on anything. tell me a 2 1/2 year wait if the boy does have cancer won't effect the outcome of his life, and that if the family HAS the money, they won't get one privately in Canada or the states. snip... Yes, rich people everywhere can find ways to get things that other people can't. Canada does not have a ban on rich people. ===================== Yet you try to pretend that your have a single health care system for all, and equal for all. I've said no such thing. But a poor person will receive a higher standard of care in Canada than most anywhere else on the planet. ====================== LOL Again, once they are an 'emergency', eh? No. I can leave my house right now and drive to the nearest medical clinic and get excellent care. They will not ask me how much money I make. ======================= Sure, but they will make you wait for the tests to determine what you mental illness is. That you are trying to deny that there are long wait lists for many treatments needed across Canada is your ideology speaking, not reality. The quality of care varies somewhat particulary (as one might expect) in sparsely populated regions. But the standard of care across the country is excellent. I should know, I use it, and so do my friends and relatives. FYI, I was born in Evanston, Illinois, and I know a fair bit about health care in both countries, with relatives that live in both. ======================== Wow, how nice. Do you figure that you are the only one with family and friends in both systems? No. Everyone prefers the Canadian system. That is not to say that no one has ever complained about how long they had to wait for an elective procedure, but between the two systems as a whole, it is no contenst. It has nothing to do with ideology. ========================= Then they must be as brainwashed as you, because many of the ones I know always come back to the US for care. And, in a couple of cases, to give care. How many? What are they coming for? Why? ======================= Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of treatment was medically unsound. They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of care is not dependent upon your income and you don't have to mortgage your house to get the treatment that you need. Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than you would like to treat something that is painful but not life-threatening. As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks better than the US And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using. ================ LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble. Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for a very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland are having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy discussion. ========================== LOL That you have to fisate on one example says alot about your brainwashing. That you believe that that is the one and only case available to find is a hoot. It was your example. ================ Yes, one example of many. Why do you try to deny the months long wait lists acroos Canada? More chest thumping? What wait lists across Canada? All you have talked about is one isolated case in Newfoundland. I got involved in this thread because it was alleged that Canadians are dying in waiting lines. That is total crap. And there hasn't been one piece of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story about Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people dying while waiting. and both are in the 30s, from the top of best care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does it? This means, logically, at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed opt to seek care elsewhere. ================ Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency' case. You have no clue. ===================== Yes, apparently more than you. There is no evidence of that. ==================== I've posted real data, from real sites. Perhaps so, but none to support your argument. ==================== LOL So, the sites I have posted have somehow said that there are no wait times in canada? Man, you do have comprhension problems, don't you? There are wait times in every medical system. Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged. You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care. If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone is waiting, I have to agree. But no one is dying in a waiting line. ====================== An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment. No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged. I went to the doctor just last Monday. I called on Friday. Got an appointment Monday afternoon. Received excellent care. Got a prescription, had it filled that day. What's the problem? ====================== ummm, one example. Somehow I get the feeling that one exmple for youis adequate, but I have to show that every Canadian is waiting for specialized treatment. see your ideology is still in control, rather that rationality. You seem to have some bizarre notions about how things work here, so I was sharing with you a real life example. The fact that there is no evidence to sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines should of course been enough for you. You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation in Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on some spot in Alaska. ===================== Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least a partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on handguns. Only worse! ROFL ==================== They are but one. But nice to see your ideology won't let truth get in your way. Keep trying fool, maybe someday you'll learn something other than your brainwashed opinion. Heehee. You are so silly. =============== Teehee, and you are still an ignorant buffoon. At least I know that the Fraser Institute isn't the place to go for objective information. You really looked pathetic spouting off about that. You could just hear the collective guffaws! All it manages to do is promote a have vs have-not conflict. ? |
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