"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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rick says:
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Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the
US.
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rick, you wanted to play a statistical game. Here's a tip, next
time,
before you try that tactic, know what the statistics say in
advance
(and don't use them if they make you out to be the fool).
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Before dishonestly trying to make a post say something that it
doesn't, you should annotate your snipping.



On healthcare spending: On a per capita basis (1998) USA -
$4178
Canada - $2312, Sweden - $1746...

Crissakes, rick, this can't be right!!! All that money, and the
highly
touted privatized medical system to boot, and the USA still
can't beat
Canada on any meaningful statistics like life expectancy and
infant
mortality. Playing this game with you, rick, is like Canada
playing the
USA in hockey: you lose before you've even laced up your
skates.

rick, I look forward to the next big load of health (Or
education. Or
crime. etc) statistics you want to bring up. At the risk of
mixing my
metaphors (hockey to baseball), I feel confident that I'll
blast them
out of the park as well.
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I look forward to an honest post from you, ever. I have never
made any claims that the US system is the best. My reply was
about a specific claim made by kamn. I made an approriate reply
to his claim. Too bad you can't honestly reply to posts on
usenet, eh?




cheers,
frtzw906

rick: once more, instead of whining, remind us about what your precious
post said... please perhaps clarify... if i missed something, humblest
apologies... but please, i can't take the whiiiiine anymore.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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rick: once more, instead of whining, remind us about what your
precious
post said... please perhaps clarify... if i missed something,
humblest
apologies... but please, i can't take the whiiiiine anymore.

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Where was the whining, idiot? It was you that was whining about
something that wasn't said. That you didn't like the truth of
the reply I made in relation to the claim that was made isn't my
problem. Thanks for showing your ideology trumps rationality.

As for your whiiiiiiiiine, have some cheese with it, fool.



frtzw906

rick: clearly apologies don't work with you. Are you that angry and
that bitter?

You've been on about jingoistic breast-beating etc, so I thought I'd
come clean.

There are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. There are
escalating costs. There are localized shortages. There are areas of
inefficiency.

And, there is an on-going national dialogue about how to deal with
these issues.

Some, like the Fraser Institute you seem keen on citing, point to the
American model as the one to emulate. Now I suspect Canadians might be
persuaded to go this route if it looked like a better system.
Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case. On most major
health metrics (infant mortality, life expectancy, etc etc), the USA
does not show well. Then, on measures of cost, the USA does
particularly poorly. From an efficiency perspective, the American
system thus really sucks -- higher costs get you lower results.

Please, rick, why would any sane person (nation) opt for the American
system? Oh, yeah, of course, the answer is obvious: rather than wait a
couple of days for my MRI, I can get one within the hour. Of course,
that trumps everything else!

Further, it appears your system can't reconcile prices with quantity (a
fundamental for a free economy) -- high prices for doctors has not lead
to increased quantity (and subsequent lower prices). This would seem to
be a huge flaw that needs ironing out. Scott Weiser seems unable to
exlain this. rick, perhaps you're up to the task.

Eagerly anticipating your retort,
frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
rick: clearly apologies don't work with you. Are you that angry
and
that bitter?
==================
I never saw any from you that meant anything. The anger and
bitterness is all yours it appears. It is you and kman that
apparently cannot accept some criticism of anything not American.



You've been on about jingoistic breast-beating etc, so I
thought I'd
come clean.

There are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. There
are
escalating costs. There are localized shortages. There are
areas of
inefficiency.
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Then why all the buffery about there being no such thing as long
waits? Kman insists that there are not. I would think that your
diatribes should be directed at him. But, since he spews the
typical anti-US stuff you like to hear he gets a free pass on
idiocy, eh?



And, there is an on-going national dialogue about how to deal
with
these issues.

Some, like the Fraser Institute you seem keen on citing, point
to the
American model as the one to emulate.
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That's news to me. I never sawe any of their people claim that
the US system is the madle to shoot for.


Now I suspect Canadians might be
persuaded to go this route if it looked like a better system.
Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case. On most
major
health metrics (infant mortality, life expectancy, etc etc),
the USA
does not show well. Then, on measures of cost, the USA does
particularly poorly. From an efficiency perspective, the
American
system thus really sucks -- higher costs get you lower results.
=====================
That's why so many Canadians are crossing the border for
treatment, the high costs and inefficinsies?



Please, rick, why would any sane person (nation) opt for the
American
system? Oh, yeah, of course, the answer is obvious: rather than
wait a
couple of days for my MRI, I can get one within the hour. Of
course,
that trumps everything else!
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Again, no where in any of my posts have I claimed the US system
is best. Again, your chest thumping about being #30 doesn't
quite have the ring of greatness kman and you are alluding to.
Waiting 2 years for an mri may or may not have an impact on your
overall health, but if it detects a problem soon enough it may
have saved you.



Further, it appears your system can't reconcile prices with
quantity (a
fundamental for a free economy) -- high prices for doctors has
not lead
to increased quantity (and subsequent lower prices). This would
seem to
be a huge flaw that needs ironing out. Scott Weiser seems
unable to
exlain this. rick, perhaps you're up to the task.
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Why? I've never stated that that was an intention, nor claimed
it was the system to emulate. The problem was that you and kman
are pushing a system that you have failed to explain as being a
system to emulate, even though you make statements that indicate
you think it is.




Eagerly anticipating your retort,
frtzw906