"Wilko" wrote in message
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rick wrote:

Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the
US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater
risk that being born to a African-American family in the US.
Where does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the
'poor' in the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does?

Take a look at the amount of teenage pregnancies, the amount of
children dying at birth, the state of health of the entire
population, and you'll find that despite the huge medical cost
to society, it's not up to par with most western countries with
older populations that spend a lot less on medicine.
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Nice little strawman you're trying to build there. Too bad that
wasn't the discussion. He made the cooment about 'poor'
people not getting proper care in the US. I mentioned one area
where the percieved ideas he has is false. If the post wasn't
snipped to shreds without annotation, and then replied to as you
want it to be read, make a new post.





Just repeating the "we don't have waiting lists" mantra doesn't
prevent people from dying out on the street, or from going
bancrupt because they can't pay all the high medical bills they
were given because they couldn't afford health care insurance.
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Again, no where have you seen me say that, have you? Again, too
bad all you can do is build these little strawmen by snipping out
whole posts and then replying to things I haven't said.




snip rest of spew...

rick wrote:

Nice little strawman you're trying to build there. Too bad that
wasn't the discussion.

Ah, strawmen talk... now I'm able to place the name again: Rick Etter, eh?

This being usenet, it's the discussion *we* make out of it, you don't
tell anyone what they can talk about. It so happens that this discussion
is mostly about what a few U.S. posters refuse to acknowledge, that
there is a way to get better results abroad. Whether that is about using
violence instead of diplomacy to get what you want, using medical
healthcare that is available to everyone instead of just a portion of
the population or about using a free media displaying the facts instead
of propaganda, religion intermixed with politics and terrorising your
own population to get elected.

He made the cooment about 'poor'
people not getting proper care in the US. I mentioned one area
where the percieved ideas he has is false.

Looks like you overlooked a number of other areas there... Besides, you
failed to come up with numbers backed by facts, so I'm curious to hear
which in Fox news program you heard that little fable.

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"Wilko" wrote in message
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rick wrote:

Nice little strawman you're trying to build there. Too bad
that wasn't the discussion.

Ah, strawmen talk... now I'm able to place the name again: Rick
Etter, eh?
======================
Yes, and too bad you haven't yet learned how to annotate your
snipping of posts.
Is that from ignorance, or a deliberate attempt at deception?
Your choice...



This being usenet, it's the discussion *we* make out of it, you
don't tell anyone what they can talk about. It so happens that
this discussion is mostly about what a few U.S. posters refuse
to acknowledge, that there is a way to get better results
abroad. Whether that is about using violence instead of
diplomacy to get what you want,
========================
LOL Something that you have failed to use in your posting, eh?



using medical
healthcare that is available to everyone instead of just a
portion of the population or about using a free media
displaying the facts instead of propaganda, religion intermixed
with politics and terrorising your own population to get
elected.
==================
Really? Nice spew, but when was I elected to anything, or even
tried to be?



He made the cooment about 'poor'
people not getting proper care in the US. I mentioned one
area where the percieved ideas he has is false.

Looks like you overlooked a number of other areas there...
Besides, you failed to come up with numbers backed by facts, so
I'm curious to hear which in Fox news program you heard that
little fable.
==========================
Unfortunately for you and the chest thumping kman, I used mostly
Canadian sources, and I can't find a Fox cananda....
As for facts, you have yet to post anything that even resembles
one.




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rick says:
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Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the US.
================

Rather, take a look at more meaningful statistics, like infant
mortality.

Rank Country Rate
1 Hong Kong 3.2
2 Sweden 3.5
3 Japan 3.6
4 Norway 4.0
5 Finland 4.1
6 Singapore 4.2
7 France 4.6
7 Germany 4.6
9 Denmark 4.7
10 Switzerland 4.8
11 Austria 4.9
12 Australia 5.0
13 Netherlands 5.2
13 Czech Republic 5.2
15 Canada 5.3
15 Italy 5.3
17 Scotland 5.5
17 New Zealand 5.5
19 Belgium 5.6
19 Northern Ireland 5.6
21 England and Wales 5.7
21 Greece 5.7
21 Israel 5.7
21 Spain 5.7
25 Portugal 5.9
26 Ireland 6.2
27 Cuba 7.1
28 UNITED STATES 7.2
29 Slovakia 8.8
30 Kuwait2 9.4

OK, given the wonders of privatized medicine, I'm curious why we don't
find the USA at the top of this list. I don't know about Hong Kong, but
the next 25 nations all have some form of "nationalized" medicine.

What say you, rick?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:

rick says:
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Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the US.

================

Rather, take a look at more meaningful statistics, like infant
mortality.

Rank Country Rate
1 Hong Kong 3.2
2 Sweden 3.5
3 Japan 3.6
4 Norway 4.0
5 Finland 4.1
6 Singapore 4.2
7 France 4.6
7 Germany 4.6
9 Denmark 4.7
10 Switzerland 4.8
11 Austria 4.9
12 Australia 5.0
13 Netherlands 5.2
13 Czech Republic 5.2
15 Canada 5.3
15 Italy 5.3
17 Scotland 5.5
17 New Zealand 5.5
19 Belgium 5.6
19 Northern Ireland 5.6
21 England and Wales 5.7
21 Greece 5.7
21 Israel 5.7
21 Spain 5.7
25 Portugal 5.9
26 Ireland 6.2
27 Cuba 7.1
28 UNITED STATES 7.2
29 Slovakia 8.8
30 Kuwait2 9.4

OK, given the wonders of privatized medicine, I'm curious why we don't
find the USA at the top of this list. I don't know about Hong Kong, but
the next 25 nations all have some form of "nationalized" medicine.

What say you, rick?

I think that he will happily ignore any facts that get in the way of his
rambling... So far I haven't seen anything factual to support his
statements, or anything to support any of the other propaganda-believing
posters.

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Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

"Wilko" wrote in message
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BCITORGB wrote:

rick says:
=============

Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs
the US.

================

Rather, take a look at more meaningful statistics, like infant
mortality.

Rank Country Rate
1 Hong Kong 3.2
2 Sweden 3.5
3 Japan 3.6
4 Norway 4.0
5 Finland 4.1
6 Singapore 4.2
7 France 4.6
7 Germany 4.6
9 Denmark 4.7
10 Switzerland 4.8
11 Austria 4.9
12 Australia 5.0
13 Netherlands 5.2
13 Czech Republic 5.2
15 Canada 5.3
15 Italy 5.3
17 Scotland 5.5
17 New Zealand 5.5
19 Belgium 5.6
19 Northern Ireland 5.6
21 England and Wales 5.7
21 Greece 5.7
21 Israel 5.7
21 Spain 5.7
25 Portugal 5.9
26 Ireland 6.2
27 Cuba 7.1
28 UNITED STATES 7.2
29 Slovakia 8.8
30 Kuwait2 9.4

OK, given the wonders of privatized medicine, I'm curious why
we don't
find the USA at the top of this list. I don't know about Hong
Kong, but
the next 25 nations all have some form of "nationalized"
medicine.

What say you, rick?

I think that he will happily ignore any facts that get in the
way of his rambling... So far I haven't seen anything factual
to support his statements, or anything to support any of the
other propaganda-believing posters.
===========================
LOL Nice projection there ideolog. Again, no where have I said
the US system is best, or even without any faults. All I did was
disabuse the jingoistic chest thumping of kman about the
greatness of the Canadian system. As for statistics, I don't see
any attributions in the above post either. But then, your
propaganda beliefs are just fine without any proof, eh fool?




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Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o
t)nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the
limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

Wilko says:
=================
I think that he will happily ignore any facts that get in the way of
his
rambling... So far I haven't seen anything factual to support his
statements, or anything to support any of the other
propaganda-believing
posters
================

Yes, I find it curious that there are never any responses to statistics
which show the USA in a bad light. One would think there would be
outrage. Outrage either because such statistics must be purposefully
wrong or, outrage at a theoretically perfect system that can, in fact,
be so bad.

Nope. Nothing but silence.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wilko says:
=================
I think that he will happily ignore any facts that get in the
way of
his
rambling... So far I haven't seen anything factual to support
his
statements, or anything to support any of the other
propaganda-believing
posters
================

Yes, I find it curious that there are never any responses to
statistics
which show the USA in a bad light. One would think there would
be
outrage. Outrage either because such statistics must be
purposefully
wrong or, outrage at a theoretically perfect system that can,
in fact,
be so bad.
================
Selective projection again, eh? I've never made any claims about
the US system being the best, or even good. Guess the problem is
that your jingoistic chest thumping isn't any better than that of
those you like to bash.




Nope. Nothing but silence.
=================
Yep, nothing but ignorance from you, as usual...



frtzw906

Wilko, I hear "the" president is just down the road from you today.
This may be a good thing for him. (1) he's not at home while these
tapes of him admitting drug use are all over the media. (2) he might
want to try some of the cafes that are so popular in amsterdam. GRIN

Anyway, say "hi" from all of us, will you?

"W" said:
=============
"The cocaine thing, let me tell you my strategy on that," Bush said on
the tape. "Rather than saying no ... I think it's time for someone to
draw the line and look people in the eye and say, you know, 'I'm not
going to participate in ugly rumors about me and blame my opponent,'
and hold the line. Stand up for a system that will not allow this kind
of crap to go on." -- Whooa, what was he on when he said that?!

"But you gotta understand, I want to be president, I want to lead. I
want to set -- Do you want your little kid to say, 'Hey daddy,
President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will?' "
======================

BCITORGB wrote:

Wilko, I hear "the" president is just down the road from you today.
This may be a good thing for him. (1) he's not at home while these
tapes of him admitting drug use are all over the media.

LOL! Considering how the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton who only
admitted to smoking pot and not inhaling and using cigars on not very
attractive girls, I wonder in what they'll do with a president who
admits to using cocaine?

Of course, considering the double standards they use, they'll probably
do nothing. :-(

(2) he might
want to try some of the cafes that are so popular in amsterdam. GRIN

My guess is that he will pass those with his nose high in the air...
while some secret service guy quickly wipes the white powder from his
nose. They usually don't sell cocaine in those cafe's.

Anyway, say "hi" from all of us, will you?

Some of my friends are down there now, I guess their protests could be
considered "sending him some greetings"by the propaganda machine... :-)

"W" said:
=============
"The cocaine thing, let me tell you my strategy on that," Bush said on
the tape. "Rather than saying no ... I think it's time for someone to
draw the line and look people in the eye and say, you know, 'I'm not
going to participate in ugly rumors about me and blame my opponent,'
and hold the line. Stand up for a system that will not allow this kind
of crap to go on." -- Whooa, what was he on when he said that?!

"But you gotta understand, I want to be president, I want to lead. I
want to set -- Do you want your little kid to say, 'Hey daddy,
President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will?' "
======================

Hey kids, get a rich daddy with the right connections and you can get
away with anything (in no particular order): being AWOL during wartime,
warcrimes, torture, hard drug abuse, public drunkenness, financial
mismanagement of big companies as well as the whole nation, wholescale
murder, (including the roughly 8500 deaths of U.S. servicemen as a
direct result of Iraq... far more wounded U.S. soldiers die on their way
to or shortly after arrival to hospitals in Germany than in Iraq itself)
lying, using double standards, mixing church and state, terrorising the
population and what more.

So much for a president giving the right example...

Wilko

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---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
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