On 19-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

if even 50 million fat men with guns manage to kill
only one soldier apiece (not difficult at all, particularly if you're
willing to die in the process)

If you had the slightest notion of the ratio of rounds fired to
soldiers killed amoung trained armies, or of kills per soldier,
you'd never make such a ridiculous claim. One kill per fat man?
Yeah, right.

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:

On 19-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:


if even 50 million fat men with guns manage to kill
only one soldier apiece (not difficult at all, particularly if you're
willing to die in the process)


If you had the slightest notion of the ratio of rounds fired to
soldiers killed amoung trained armies, or of kills per soldier,
you'd never make such a ridiculous claim. One kill per fat man?
Yeah, right.

Reminds me of the Japanese: they did have trained soldiers, and their
aim was to take out more than one Allied soldier for every one of their
own who bit the dust. Although many people will be familiar with
kamikaze, the average Japanese soldier also got suicide weapons, for
example to sit in a pit with a special mine waiting for a tank to drive
over him, or to run at a tank with special pole-mounted antitank
explosives. That mentality didn't do them much good against overwhelming
firepower...

If there was such a thing as organised resistance against the U.S.
government, the only chance would be to use terrorist and guerilla
tactics, and with the widespread terrorisation of the population through
the ever tightening grip of the government on society, I don't see that
happening.

Of course, there just aren't enough fat men with arms to take on a
professional army, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell to have
50 million of them stand up and fight their own troops. That would be
probably every ablebodied man between age 18 and 40 in the continental
U.S., and we're not talking about ablebodied men, are we? :-)

They might cause more of an uproar if they all jumped at the same time. ;-)

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Of course, there just aren't enough fat men with arms to take on a
professional army, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell to have 50
million of them stand up and fight their own troops. That would be
probably every ablebodied man between age 18 and 40 in the continental
U.S., and we're not talking about ablebodied men, are we? :-)

They might cause more of an uproar if they all jumped at the same time.
;-)

Cute imagery. ka-WHUMP!

However, IF (and I stress the 'IF' part, in case any of the Secret Police
are reading this) there ever was an overthrow of the US government by some
sort of armed cililian militia, it would not be through conventional
warfare, as the militants wouldn't stand a chance in an head-to-head. I
suspect there would be much more unconventional methods: a bomb in the
senate chamber, another in the House, and an assassination of the Executive
Branch. This would probably be done simulataneously with the assassination
of several governors, which might put the management of the US, especially
the part with guns, into total disarray, followed by some high-ranking
military officer taking charge 'to keep the peace'. Basically, a military
coup supported by a grassroots militia on site in several sensitive places.

Currently, the worst that these backwoods military types can do is become a
serious burden to the local Criminal Justice system, as well as running up a
line at the local K-Mart when they are buying beer and cigarettes for their
retreats. They ain't taking on the US army, or the National Guard, nohow,
noway.

--riverman

Now, lets revisit this question in 20 years, when the US economy has caved
in, the dollar is trading 1:1 against the Yen, debt holders have called in
their chits, OPEC has decided to sell oil in Euros, and the EU and China are
the world's economic giants. By then, a well aimed spitball might do the
trick. And Americans will probably be a LOT less fat....

A Usenet persona calling itself Wilko wrote:



Michael Daly wrote:

On 19-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:


if even 50 million fat men with guns manage to kill
only one soldier apiece (not difficult at all, particularly if you're
willing to die in the process)


If you had the slightest notion of the ratio of rounds fired to
soldiers killed amoung trained armies, or of kills per soldier,
you'd never make such a ridiculous claim. One kill per fat man?
Yeah, right.

Reminds me of the Japanese: they did have trained soldiers, and their
aim was to take out more than one Allied soldier for every one of their
own who bit the dust. Although many people will be familiar with
kamikaze, the average Japanese soldier also got suicide weapons, for
example to sit in a pit with a special mine waiting for a tank to drive
over him, or to run at a tank with special pole-mounted antitank
explosives. That mentality didn't do them much good against overwhelming
firepower...

If there was such a thing as organised resistance against the U.S.
government, the only chance would be to use terrorist and guerilla
tactics,

Precisely.

and with the widespread terrorisation of the population through
the ever tightening grip of the government on society, I don't see that
happening.

That's because you're a brain-washed peon who couldn't fight back if you
wanted to.


Of course, there just aren't enough fat men with arms to take on a
professional army,

Wanna bet?

and there's not a snowball's chance in hell to have
50 million of them stand up and fight their own troops.

Are you willing to bet YOUR life on it?

That would be
probably every ablebodied man between age 18 and 40 in the continental
U.S., and we're not talking about ablebodied men, are we? :-)

Presuming that the majority of the militia would obey the orders of a
tyrant, which they wouldn't.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 19-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

if even 50 million fat men with guns manage to kill
only one soldier apiece (not difficult at all, particularly if you're
willing to die in the process)

If you had the slightest notion of the ratio of rounds fired to
soldiers killed amoung trained armies, or of kills per soldier,
you'd never make such a ridiculous claim. One kill per fat man?
Yeah, right.

Hey, one kill per ten fat men would do the trick.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser