A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 9-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Who, exactly, is the "Christian Right?" Care to name names? Can you identify
a PAC or other organization called the "Christian Right?" How does one
identify a member of the "Christian Right?" Do they have tattoos? Do they
wear yellow stars on their clothes so that they can be easily identified by
the socialist left? How many of them are there? Where do they live? What do
they look like?

Richard Viguerie was a guest on the Daily Show (Jon Stewart) Wed. night and
he said that the liberals are many different special interest groups that
aren't united or organized in a single entity. The right, OTOH, he said is
organized and have been working together for decades. In his words, the
current political situation is the result of lots of steady work and
is not a flash in the pan. If he can identify them, why can't you?

And how, exactly, is "lots of steady work" by "the right" which is
"organized" a definition of the "Christian Right?"

Are you stating that merely because conservatives of various political and
religious persuasions work steadily and organize to achieve their common
political objectives that this makes them all members of the "Christian
Right?"

Care to support that specious assertion with some facts?
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

On 10-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Are you stating that merely because conservatives of various political and
religious persuasions work steadily and organize to achieve their common
political objectives that this makes them all members of the "Christian
Right?"

No but Viguerie includes the Christian Right in the groups that he lumps
together. They exist as organized groups that are able to be represented
when they whole mess work together.

Are you claiming that there is no Christian Right? All Christians are
left wingers?

Mike

Michael Daly wrote:
On 10-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Are you stating that merely because conservatives of various
political and
religious persuasions work steadily and organize to achieve their
common
political objectives that this makes them all members of the
"Christian
Right?"

No but Viguerie includes the Christian Right in the groups that he
lumps
together. They exist as organized groups that are able to be
represented
when they whole mess work together.

Are you claiming that there is no Christian Right? All Christians
are
left wingers?

Mike

Mike, I live here in Denver, only a short distance from Colorado
Springs, and Focus on the Family. During the recent election, noone
ever knocked on our door. I did receive a few calls, reminding me to
vote. Not necessarily right or left, just vote.

Nationally Colorado voted for Bush, but locally, we voted blue. The
Statehouse was taken over in both the Senate and House by Dems, and we
sent two new dems to the US Congress. If the FC's were such a powerful
and overwhelming force in poitics, you would think they would have more
sway here at home. But we are a really confused lot here in Colorado,
must be the high altitude!

Fact of the matter, there is a growing number of Christians involved in
the political process but they are not all right wing conservatives,
just willing to be active and involved, and can make alot of "noise".
The media loves noise, gives them something to talk about. TnT

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 10-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

Are you stating that merely because conservatives of various political and
religious persuasions work steadily and organize to achieve their common
political objectives that this makes them all members of the "Christian
Right?"

No but Viguerie includes the Christian Right in the groups that he lumps
together. They exist as organized groups that are able to be represented
when they whole mess work together.

And that's a problem because....?


Are you claiming that there is no Christian Right? All Christians are
left wingers?

No, I merely point out that there is no such thing as the "Christian Right"
as an organization. It's a sound-bite label attached to conservatives in
general that is used as a device of demonization by the left.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

On 11-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

No, I merely point out that there is no such thing as the "Christian Right"
as an organization. It's a sound-bite label attached to conservatives in
general that is used as a device of demonization by the left.

Well, sweety, there's no such thing as an organized left either. Yet
the right condemns that invisible group as well.

Mike

Michael Day says:
================
Well, sweety, there's no such thing as an organized left either. Yet
the right condemns that invisible group as well.
==================

Michael, you have a great knock-out punch!

Cheers,
frtzw906
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Michael Daly wrote:
On 11-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

No, I merely point out that there is no such thing as the
"Christian Right"
as an organization. It's a sound-bite label attached to
conservatives in
general that is used as a device of demonization by the left.

Well, sweety, there's no such thing as an organized left either. Yet
the right condemns that invisible group as well.

Mike

Well it is nice to see you two sweeties getting along so well together,
since it is almost Valentine's Day. Should we expect to see Valentine
cards and a box of chocolate, maybe some flowers!

Now I don't want to bring up any sore points, but I would point out
though that Scott did not say that there is no organized right, or that
there are not organized conservative Christians. What he said, was that
there is not one monolithic organization that represented the
conservatives right and all Christians, which is what the media is
implying when they refer to the Christian Right. They like the image of
David and Goliath, and they do not see the right as David, -Bible
scholars that they are (not!)

There are definitely conservative organizations, some of which are
Christian, and the primary directives of the different groups are
similar enough to allow for communication and a great deal of
cooperation. But not all conservative Christians, and certainly not all
Christians belong to one of these groups. There are many Christians
that would not identify with these groups at all.

An Example: the Anti-abortion issue. Many Christian are anti-abortion.
Not just Fundementalist, but Catholic, Protestants, Pentecostal. There
are some Liberal Christians that have no problem with abortion. And all
of the above would not support the extremist that shoot doctors and
blow up clinics. There is a spectrum here, and we are not all in the
conservative camp.

Now as to the left, they definitely appear unorganized, so you are
right, or should I say correct, on this one, and I agree with frtwz
that this was a knockout blow. Our reference to the left as a monolithe
is also not totally correct, since I am sure there are a few little
cells in NYC, LA, and SF, that are very organized. However by and large
they appear disorganized as a crowd at a family reunion. All the same
family, but who's in charge. I guess Howard Dean? This should get
interesting! TnT

A Usenet persona calling itself Michael Daly wrote:

On 11-Feb-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

No, I merely point out that there is no such thing as the "Christian Right"
as an organization. It's a sound-bite label attached to conservatives in
general that is used as a device of demonization by the left.

Well, sweety, there's no such thing as an organized left either.

Thank God for that! I rejoice every day that the left can't get it's sh*t
together.

Yet
the right condemns that invisible group as well.

Well, we condemn the political philosophy and its practitoners, and find it
unnecessary to label them beyond "Leftists."

That says everything anyone needs to know about them.
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser