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BCITORGB wrote: TnT says: ========== All politicians love to collect money to spend on their pet projects, and some are quite expensive. ============== i'm guessing the war in iraq is one of those pet projects frtzw906 Where is the line drawn? That is the problem, we all draw it just to the left or right of where we are standing. Sort of justifies where we are standing, and it probably depends on who we are talking to at the time. Probably also depends on who is holding out their hands to whom for the dole. Whether its corporate welfare, or personal, and how hungry you are at the time. And how hungry the politician is to get you fed and happy and voting for them. As far as pet projects, Tinker was my pet dog growing up. She was a sweet spirited and loving companion. I loved her dearly, and she would be very old now if alive. Probably she is buried in some forgotten landfill someplace. I don't think that she would smell so nice or be fun to pet now. So go pet projects! I want you to know that despite the acrimony of our discussion, I think Canada, Britain, and the EU countries are great world neighbors. We have are differences, and various perspectives, but we have a history also of being able to work them out. There is probably no perfect government, just what works for you. And what works for us in USA. TnT |
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========== Granted there may be some oligarchs that profit hansomly, but always at the expense of the masses, who eventually, =========== now you're talking! that's exactly one of my points! "some oligarchs that profit hansomly" -- does that sounf familiar? have you been drinking the kool-aid to the point you can't tell what your economy looks like. TnT says: ========= Have you been in the stinkhole of Socialism so long you can't smell the difference any longer? ========= you still haven't defined why canada, in your opinion, may be classified as "socialist" and the usa not. please give me specifics rather than throwing labels around indiscriminantly. TnT says: ========== "We in USA deserved 9/11!" TnT ========== i believe it was one of your own nutbar, FC leaders who said the usa deserved it because of loose morals or some such tripe. c'mon TnT, think these things through.... frtzw906 |
BCITORGB wrote: TnT says: ============= Oh yeah, I forgot about the NAZI, that means National Capitalistic party! No wait, I am wrong, that was National Socialist Party. Sorry they don't fill the bill. ============== you might want to tell that to the thousands of trade unionists jailed by the NAZIs. i suspect you don't know why they were jailed do you? they were jailed for actively supporting the socialist party. and, also, for actively campaigning against the nazi party. do you have any idea why they opposed the nazi party? for starters, because the nazi party supported the huge capitalist concerns (of course, only for nation strategic purposes, to use komrad weiser's paradigm). in many ways, the nazi party acted against the interests of the german proletariat in the same way the american government ignored the interests of ordinary latin american citizens while propping up american corporate interests (of course, purely for national strategic reasons). i'm telling you TnT, the founders of your once-proud republic must be turning over in their graves... so much promise, and it has come to this. now do you get the problem with labels? frtzw906 I am sure they have made a number of Acrobatic moves in the course of history that would have scored very high in any Olympic competition. They could not have forseen all the historic changes that occurred since the founding. But they also put in place an amazing system that has been able to adjust to the changes, albeit some times slowly, but surely. Most Americans despite their differences, when offered a choice to go elsewhere, stay here. This is our homeland now, even though most of us have roots elsewhere. And as always the case, the homeland is worth fighting for. Luckily in most of our history, we have chosen to use ballots instead of bullets, realizing that in four short years we get to do it all over again. The victor can never get to comfortable, and the loser is never vanquished. That again though is part of the beauty of what the founders set up, and I expect they jump for joy as they see the system working better than they could have hoped. TnT |
BCITORGB wrote: TnT says: ========== Granted there may be some oligarchs that profit hansomly, but always at the expense of the masses, who eventually, =========== now you're talking! that's exactly one of my points! "some oligarchs that profit hansomly" -- does that sounf familiar? have you been drinking the kool-aid to the point you can't tell what your economy looks like. TnT says: ========= Have you been in the stinkhole of Socialism so long you can't smell the difference any longer? ========= you still haven't defined why canada, in your opinion, may be classified as "socialist" and the usa not. please give me specifics rather than throwing labels around indiscriminantly. TnT says: ========== "We in USA deserved 9/11!" TnT ========== i believe it was one of your own nutbar, FC leaders who said the usa deserved it because of loose morals or some such tripe. c'mon TnT, think these things through.... frtzw906 I agree labels leave alot to be desired, as they are not very descriptive, and probably are more like fog than anything. I am not personally familiar with Canada, so I do not claim to apply the label from my own experience, but others more in the know have applied the label. You tell me why you think it may or may not apply. TnT |
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======== "We in USA deserved 9/11!" ============== The original topic included mention of christian fundamentalists. it might be useful to turn the focus back on CF's and, for that matter jewish fundamentists, islamic fundamentalists (and fundamentalists of all and sundry "isms"). they are all, quite simply put, nutbars. ok, i've got the name-calling out of the way. let's examine the facts. an islamic fundamentalist nutbar causes planes to be flown into buildings. is it because he hates american freedoms? yea, likely that's one of a myriad of reasons. that's fundamental to all fundamentalists: they hate freedom. they want to squeeze everyone into the same damned mold. their mold. a christian fundamentalist nutbar then opines that the planes flying into buildings can be accounted for by the wrasth of god. god apparently is angry at people because they've refused to adhere to the mold prescribed by CF nutbars. islamic fundamentalists (IF) insist that women cover up in public. how ansurd! CF's support the notion that a female breast on a super bowl half-time show be pixelated. stupid! IF's stone women who speak to males other than family members. how right out of the dark ages. CF's make spectacles of themselves at the funeral of a gay man who, obviously, had liaisons with other men. how medieval! [and i haven't even mentioned the nature of the young man's death -- too much like stoning from my perspective]. IFs don't permit girls to go to school. backward! CFs demand that very ordinary books (but clearly ones that don't fit their mold) used as part of very ordinary high school english literature curricula be banned. very backward! how long should i go on for? and i haven't even touched jewish, sihk, hindu, etc fundamentalists. dangerous nutbars, all of them. these are simple people who for some reason can't cope with modernity. rather than reason out issues using the best information available at any point in time, they prefer the ancient writings of who knows who. these are simple people who cannot handle diversity, ambiguity, and the give-and-take of modern life. and because they are simple people (simpletons?) they resort to the means of simple people -- violence. whether CF or IF, "spare the rod and spoil the child" seems to be the operative paradigm. for these simple people, use of the rod seems to be the only outlet when faced with phenomena outside their ken. it is odd, imho, that CFs can't see how very taliban-like their dogma is. frtzw906 |
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=========== I am not personally familiar with Canada, so I do not claim to apply the label from my own experience, but others more in the know have applied the label. You tell me why you think it may or may not apply. ============= you say "others more in the know have applied the label. " . who might that be? komrad weiser? please define "more in the know" i have been in the usa, and while there clearly are differences between canada and the usa, i'm not sure i want to apply the label "socialist" to canada and then not to the usa. these people in the "know", why do they deem canada to be "socialist"? frtzw906 |
TnT, have you conveniently chosen to ignore my trade unionist versus
the nazi party history lesson? what say you of that? are you still insisting the nazi's were "socialists"? frtzw906 = |
BCITORGB wrote: TnT, have you conveniently chosen to ignore my trade unionist versus the nazi party history lesson? what say you of that? are you still insisting the nazi's were "socialists"? frtzw906 = Not conviently ignored, just that my SO "suggested" early today that I should help her finish moving in from boxes piled since two weeks ago, and we have visitors in a week. Maybe can get back to you later today, or Monday PM. TnT |
On 12-Feb-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:
There are some that want more federal involvement, hence more taxes, and there are some who want less. Less fed, and less taxes. The first are social liberals, and the second is capitalist conservatives. Then ther's the current US administration, that has increased government at a much faster rate than Clinton, but reduces taxes. In fact, you can't reduce taxes when you run deficits and carry debt; you can only _defer_ taxes. Someone's going to have to pay the bill, but the current generations of voters are hoping it won't be them. Ditto environmental damage - they are "sure" someone will fix the problem someday. Mike |
On 12-Feb-2005, Rick wrote:
When you invent your time machine and make those observations, please send us a report We have something of a time machine - the observable universe. Since information takes time to travel, the farther away we look, the further back in time we see. Hence, what we see close by happened recently and what we observe far away happened in the distant past. Mike |
On 12-Feb-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote: It is the public schools sector that teaches all this enlightened scientific stuff to the exclusion of the Christian perspective, Sorry, but the government mandates for teaching cretinism... er creationism applies to public schools. Mike |
On 13-Feb-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:
right. but as we all know, "right-wing" by danish standards hardly equates with right-wing in the USA. Maybe. They did appoint Lomberg as environment minister (he's the guy that claims that pollution is ok). The current noise in Denmark is over shutting out immigrants, reinforcing the view that "right wing" = "hate immigrants". Mike |
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Mike said:
=========== They did appoint Lomberg as environment minister (he's the guy that claims that pollution is ok). The current noise in Denmark is over shutting out immigrants, reinforcing the view that "right wing" = "hate immigrants". ============== i was reluctant to bring up the "immigration" issue because, too often in europe, right-wing rather equates to foreigner hate as opposed to conservative economics. this relates, i fear to my earlier post about fundamentalist nutbars of all stripes. in the cases of denmark and in the netherlands, very progrssive and tolerant people have been driven into the arms of the right-wing hate mongers because islamic fundamentalists have abused the ever-so tolerant welcomes (i'd welcome wilko's perspective on this). as i see it, denmark and holland are current manifestations of every small="L" liberal's dilemma -- we can tolerate just about anything expect intolerance. as i see the dutch situation (the recent killings of right-wing politician and playwright) the dutch, with their multi-pillar approach to society were fairly tolerant of islamic refugees/immigrants... however, it was when the islamics decided that the system was too tolerant for their religious belief and started agitating for change that the dutch populace turned... i liken it to someone coming into the usa and trying to change the constitution (outside of the normal amendment process). this tolerance was a cornerstone of what defined the netherlands: it was not negotiable. my view (and i stand to be corrected) was that the upsurge of the right-wing can be attributed to pig-headed fundamentalism (in this case islamic). again, i'm of the impression that the danish situation is a parallel. frtzw906 |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... TnT says: ========== Granted there may be some oligarchs that profit hansomly, but always at the expense of the masses, who eventually, =========== now you're talking! that's exactly one of my points! "some oligarchs that profit hansomly" -- does that sounf familiar? have you been drinking the kool-aid to the point you can't tell what your economy looks like. TnT says: ========= Have you been in the stinkhole of Socialism so long you can't smell the difference any longer? ========= you still haven't defined why canada, in your opinion, may be classified as "socialist" and the usa not. please give me specifics rather than throwing labels around indiscriminantly. ==================== Socilaist. Is that another 5-letter word to canadians? Oh wait, maybe an 8-letter word. Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) TnT says: ========== "We in USA deserved 9/11!" TnT ========== i believe it was one of your own nutbar, FC leaders who said the usa deserved it because of loose morals or some such tripe. c'mon TnT, think these things through.... frtzw906 |
A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:
Comrade Weiser states: ====================== The last thing you guys need is cowboy bravado. It's served us pretty well so far, I see no need to change. ======================== Bravado: the last desparate actions of the vanquished (also an indication of a waning intellect with nothing of substance to contribute). Winning poker hands often involves bluff and bravado. Of course, the best bluff is one that's backed up with very real force, as ours is. -- Regards, Scott Weiser "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM © 2005 Scott Weiser |
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Therein lies the problem, Evolutionism is based on an underlying philosophy called Uniformatarianism, not a scientific method at all. Just the assumtion that processes follow one after the other. Makes understanding thing much easier. The only problem is that the evidence does not bare this out. The uniformatarian scientist just went out and found info that supported there position, and ignored info that did not. Sort of like picking yourself up by your boot straps. And hence uniformatarianism has fallen into disrepute in many quarters, and the superstructure of evolution abandoned by many scientist. No, it isn't. Evolution is, once again, scientific theory. More importantly, it is a unifying theory which has been supported by many, a great many, of scientific disciplines. This includes the following: - anthropology - geology - genetics - biology, biochemistry, and all other bio sciences - chemistry And the list goes on. Your "uniformatiarian scientist" does not exist. You may have some religious zealot making up words for scientists, but there isn't any branch, individual, nor philosophy that fits this description. Another philosophy has become more acceptable recently in the scientific community called Catastrophism. This basically says that cataclismic events occurred in the course of history that completely changed the course of history. Radical events and elements have been injected into the course of history that have determined where we are today. These events would make following any uniform record impossible. Hence though the dinosaur records are interesting, they are not complete, and cannot be relied on for scientific information. Even such test procedures as C-14 dating etc would not be considered reliable. I see. Since it is convenient, we ignore scientific evidence and say, "it is interesting." Since you seem incapable of understanding the basics of these fields, mythology is much more meaningful for you. How pathetic. I remember reading one of these pamphlets which claimed that they carbon dated a live insect and the result was wildly inaccurate. But, you should know that you cannot get an accurate C-14 result on a live animal. This does not invalidate carbon dating, it merely proves that the indviduals involved attempted to use "spin" to convince the unwitting of their political agenda. Rick |
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========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. frtzw906 |
Michael Daly wrote:
On 12-Feb-2005, Rick wrote: When you invent your time machine and make those observations, please send us a report We have something of a time machine - the observable universe. Since information takes time to travel, the farther away we look, the further back in time we see. Hence, what we see close by happened recently and what we observe far away happened in the distant past. Mike Good point. It is assumed that if you could get far enough away from the center of the universe, with a powerful enough observation device, you could see the big bang (or whatever was responsible for the origin of the universe) occur. The problem is, of course, getting there. Rick |
BCITORGB wrote: rick states: ========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. frtzw906 Hi Frtzw906, I'm here for a short bit, and I'll try to translate. Our friend "R" is sort of mixed up. He jumps into this discussion and lashes out at everyone, no matter what side of the discussion your on. I think he is angry at everyone, basically, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, just so he gets some response. I've noted this behavior before, and try not to let it bother me. But then according to some, I'm a great one to call the kettle black! TnT |
Rick wrote: ...stuff deleted Therein lies the problem, Evolutionism is based on an underlying philosophy called Uniformatarianism, not a scientific method at all. Just the assumtion that processes follow one after the other. Makes understanding thing much easier. The only problem is that the evidence does not bare this out. The uniformatarian scientist just went out and found info that supported there position, and ignored info that did not. Sort of like picking yourself up by your boot straps. And hence uniformatarianism has fallen into disrepute in many quarters, and the superstructure of evolution abandoned by many scientist. No, it isn't. Evolution is, once again, scientific theory. More importantly, it is a unifying theory which has been supported by many, a great many, of scientific disciplines. This includes the following: - anthropology - geology - genetics - biology, biochemistry, and all other bio sciences - chemistry And the list goes on. Your "uniformatiarian scientist" does not exist. You may have some religious zealot making up words for scientists, but there isn't any branch, individual, nor philosophy that fits this description. Another philosophy has become more acceptable recently in the scientific community called Catastrophism. This basically says that cataclismic events occurred in the course of history that completely changed the course of history. Radical events and elements have been injected into the course of history that have determined where we are today. These events would make following any uniform record impossible. Hence though the dinosaur records are interesting, they are not complete, and cannot be relied on for scientific information. Even such test procedures as C-14 dating etc would not be considered reliable. I see. Since it is convenient, we ignore scientific evidence and say, "it is interesting." Since you seem incapable of understanding the basics of these fields, mythology is much more meaningful for you. How pathetic. I remember reading one of these pamphlets which claimed that they carbon dated a live insect and the result was wildly inaccurate. But, you should know that you cannot get an accurate C-14 result on a live animal. This does not invalidate carbon dating, it merely proves that the indviduals involved attempted to use "spin" to convince the unwitting of their political agenda. Rick Sorry Rick, you stepped in it this time, and it really stinks. Googled Uniformatarian, and came up with pages. Just a few, http://tinyurl.com/68rnd http://tinyurl.com/4967j http://tinyurl.com/4k4a7 http://tinyurl.com/5bood http://tinyurl.com/4sb3v http://tinyurl.com/6omh8 http://tinyurl.com/67bqr http://tinyurl.com/5k9rg http://tinyurl.com/4ypon Our motto is "Truth In Science". The truth of the matter about C/1999 H1 (Lee) is that nobody can project its path, and that the observed rapid increase in brightness in connection with the officially supplied orbital modifications provide a strong indication that it's going to progressively bend inwards towards the orbital plane of Earth. We are saying that all possibilities should be considered; now! In fact it is talked about by many scientist, including the list you made above. Some Christian, some non-Christian, from all specialties, Past and present. The historian admitted that Darwinism is based on the big U. The last quoted section was from an astronomer, who says that all possibilities should be considered. Nice try with your buffoonery, better luck next time. TnT |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... rick states: ========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. ===================== Not too surprising for you. You mentioned canada, and definitions. I guess you don't follow the news from canada, eh? According to the ontario education minister, 'strike' is a 5-letter word. Just a little defitent in math and'or english. Given all that, I'm not surprised that you would have trouble with definitions. frtzw906 |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... BCITORGB wrote: rick states: ========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. frtzw906 Hi Frtzw906, I'm here for a short bit, and I'll try to translate. Our friend "R" is sort of mixed up. ====================== Really? Show something that backs up your observation. He jumps into this discussion and lashes out at everyone, no matter what side of the discussion your on. ============================ No, only those that display ignorance. I think he is angry at everyone, ======================== Really? Show something that backs up any anger at anyone. That sarcasm is beyond your concept doesn't mean anyone is angry at you. basically, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, just so he gets some response. ============================== LOL So why are you posting? I care not whether idiots respond or not. Their responses far more often display even more of their stupidity. I've noted this behavior before, ==================== Really? Again, try backing up that observation. and try not to let it bother me. But then according to some, I'm a great one to call the kettle black! TnT |
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Your "uniformatiarian scientist" does not exist. You may have some religious zealot making up words for scientists, but there isn't any branch, individual, nor philosophy that fits this description. ...stuff deleted Sorry Rick, you stepped in it this time, and it really stinks. Googled Uniformatarian, and came up with pages. Just a few, http://tinyurl.com/68rnd http://tinyurl.com/4967j http://tinyurl.com/4k4a7 http://tinyurl.com/5bood http://tinyurl.com/4sb3v http://tinyurl.com/6omh8 http://tinyurl.com/67bqr http://tinyurl.com/5k9rg http://tinyurl.com/4ypon No, you did. The links you presented are mostly from religious sites, which I will discard just as you do science. The other two are references to previous beliefs, long refuled, which use the word. Any scientist who believed that saturn and earth were formed by the same processes would be laughed out of town. I have never met a scientist, nor professor, who denied the global effects of volcanism or other catastrophes. The recent tsunami, as were others in history, were recorded in the geologic record. I never said the word didn't exist, I said that the uniformitarian scientist doesn't. I stand by that statement and nothing in the presented URL's supports you. Rick |
KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/13/05 9:21 PM: BCITORGB wrote: rick states: ========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. frtzw906 Hi Frtzw906, I'm here for a short bit, and I'll try to translate. Our friend "R" is sort of mixed up. He jumps into this discussion and lashes out at everyone, no matter what side of the discussion your on. I think he is angry at everyone, basically, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, just so he gets some response. I've noted this behavior before, and try not to let it bother me. But then according to some, I'm a great one to call the kettle black! TnT Oy-yoy-yoy. Still giving aspirin a headache eh Tinkerntom? Heehee. It's amazing how many mixed up people you seem to come across. It sure must be lonely on Tinkerntom's isle of sanity. That sounds like a foreign language, and here I thought you Canadians all spoke the Kings Engliss, or is that French. I was trying to be the nice guy and bail old Frtwz out by translating for him. I figured it would get Rick worked up even more, but Frtwz and I have been having a decent palaver, and Rick jumped into the middle of it all, kickin and screamin every which way. Sort of reminds me of someone I know, only to well!!! Hey you have not been around very much, so I am an equal opportunity headache waiting to find an unsuspecting noggen to fall on. I don't know that it is amazing that I come across so many mixed up people, they seem to find me! HeHe!! Though there are plenty to go around, so how many do you want? But since you are here now, how have you been? I have missed our little spats, and I certainly hope you are OKay. Any more of those raging headaches since I last talked to you, hope not! Did you take that med that I recommended? and did it work? Must assume that it did if you are back for more. TnT |
Rick wrote: ...stuff deleted Your "uniformatiarian scientist" does not exist. You may have some religious zealot making up words for scientists, but there isn't any branch, individual, nor philosophy that fits this description. ...stuff deleted Sorry Rick, you stepped in it this time, and it really stinks. Googled Uniformatarian, and came up with pages. Just a few, http://tinyurl.com/68rnd http://tinyurl.com/4967j http://tinyurl.com/4k4a7 http://tinyurl.com/5bood http://tinyurl.com/4sb3v http://tinyurl.com/6omh8 http://tinyurl.com/67bqr http://tinyurl.com/5k9rg http://tinyurl.com/4ypon No, you did. The links you presented are mostly from religious sites, which I will discard just as you do science. The other two are references to previous beliefs, long refuled, which use the word. Any scientist who believed that saturn and earth were formed by the same processes would be laughed out of town. I have never met a scientist, nor professor, who denied the global effects of volcanism or other catastrophes. The recent tsunami, as were others in history, were recorded in the geologic record. I never said the word didn't exist, I said that the uniformitarian scientist doesn't. I stand by that statement and nothing in the presented URL's supports you. Rick Here I thought you were an open minded liberal conservative scientist that was interested in knowledge where ever he could find it. Shame on me for assuming again. Narrowminded anti-religious scientist are well - narrowminded. Not much difference that narrowminded fundementalist that have their mind made up, no more data needed! A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and waste, and waste! TnT |
in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/14/05 4:19 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/13/05 9:21 PM: BCITORGB wrote: rick states: ========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. frtzw906 Hi Frtzw906, I'm here for a short bit, and I'll try to translate. Our friend "R" is sort of mixed up. He jumps into this discussion and lashes out at everyone, no matter what side of the discussion your on. I think he is angry at everyone, basically, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, just so he gets some response. I've noted this behavior before, and try not to let it bother me. But then according to some, I'm a great one to call the kettle black! TnT Oy-yoy-yoy. Still giving aspirin a headache eh Tinkerntom? Heehee. It's amazing how many mixed up people you seem to come across. It sure must be lonely on Tinkerntom's isle of sanity. That sounds like a foreign language, and here I thought you Canadians all spoke the Kings Engliss, or is that French. I was trying to be the nice guy and bail old Frtwz out by translating for him. I figured it would get Rick worked up even more, but Frtwz and I have been having a decent palaver, and Rick jumped into the middle of it all, kickin and screamin every which way. Sort of reminds me of someone I know, only to well!!! Hey you have not been around very much, so I am an equal opportunity headache waiting to find an unsuspecting noggen to fall on. I don't know that it is amazing that I come across so many mixed up people, they seem to find me! HeHe!! Though there are plenty to go around, so how many do you want? But since you are here now, how have you been? I have missed our little spats, and I certainly hope you are OKay. Any more of those raging headaches since I last talked to you, hope not! Did you take that med that I recommended? and did it work? Must assume that it did if you are back for more. TnT Your grip on reality grows more tenuous with each passing day. I really can't bear to watch. |
Rick:
you must be posting from finland or new zealand, eh? you guys, (whichever country you're from) have a great deal to be proud of in terms of your educational systems. as a canadian, i humbly bow down to your achievements. but, as you likely know, canada is up there in the top 5 in the world. just so you can bask in the glory of your country's achievements, i've included the latest oecd results: OECD/PISA Study: Reading Literacy 1. Finland 2. Canada 3. New Zealand 4. Australia 5. Ireland 6. Korea 7 United Kingdom 8. Japan 9. Sweden 10. Austria 11. Belgium 12. Iceland 13. Norway 14. France 15. United States OECD/PISA Study: Mathematical Literacy 1. Japan 2. Korea 3. New Zealand 4. Finland 5. Australia 6. Canada 7. Switzerland 8. United Kingdom 9. Belgium 10. France 11. Austria 12. Denmark 13. Iceland 14. Liechtenstein 15. Sweden 16. Ireland 17. Norway 18. Czech Republic 19. United States OECD/PISA Study: Scientific Literacy 1. Korea 2. Japan 3. Finland 4. United Kingdom 5. Canada 6. New Zealand 7. Australia 8. Austria 9. Ireland 10. Sweden 11. Czech Republic 12. France 13. Norway 14. United States frtzw906 |
Rick:
I live on left coast. i don't follow every detail of what goes on in places like ontario. whatever the education minister in ontario says is likely of little import to me. it's almost a full-time job having disdain for the politicians who actually do influence my life. btw, what does "Just a little defitent in math...." mean? have you guys come up with yet more ways to spells words differently? is that perhaps an american spelling of "deficient"? given what follows, that figures: OECD/PISA Study: Reading Literacy 1. Finland 2. Canada 14. France 15. United States frtzw906 |
KMAN wrote:
in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/14/05 4:19 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/13/05 9:21 PM: BCITORGB wrote: rick states: ========== Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach math and english, that must mean all the time is spent in jingoistic indoctrination.(questioning inflection) ========== there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine. perhaps some americans could translate for me. frtzw906 Hi Frtzw906, I'm here for a short bit, and I'll try to translate. Our friend "R" is sort of mixed up. He jumps into this discussion and lashes out at everyone, no matter what side of the discussion your on. I think he is angry at everyone, basically, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, just so he gets some response. I've noted this behavior before, and try not to let it bother me. But then according to some, I'm a great one to call the kettle black! TnT Oy-yoy-yoy. Still giving aspirin a headache eh Tinkerntom? Heehee. It's amazing how many mixed up people you seem to come across. It sure must be lonely on Tinkerntom's isle of sanity. That sounds like a foreign language, and here I thought you Canadians all spoke the Kings Engliss, or is that French. I was trying to be the nice guy and bail old Frtwz out by translating for him. I figured it would get Rick worked up even more, but Frtwz and I have been having a decent palaver, and Rick jumped into the middle of it all, kickin and screamin every which way. Sort of reminds me of someone I know, only to well!!! Hey you have not been around very much, so I am an equal opportunity headache waiting to find an unsuspecting noggen to fall on. I don't know that it is amazing that I come across so many mixed up people, they seem to find me! HeHe!! Though there are plenty to go around, so how many do you want? But since you are here now, how have you been? I have missed our little spats, and I certainly hope you are OKay. Any more of those raging headaches since I last talked to you, hope not! Did you take that med that I recommended? and did it work? Must assume that it did if you are back for more. TnT Your grip on reality grows more tenuous with each passing day. I really can't bear to watch. Well, it's your lucky day, you don't have to watch! You can if you want, but like Melissa, you can work on outfitting your boat cockpit also. That always seems to be a good excuse for not watching, and getting your head clear. There are going to be some well outfitted cockpits come Spring! HeHe! and you all can thank me for some, but not all the free motivation! Oh, BTW, my new expertise is making "bent bars straight", at least according to Wilko. The headache stuff got to be to easy, no challenge! It is called BBS, which is a little more involved than BS. As far as reality goes, again talk to M. she knows all the big words about that reality stuff. It is good to have a mellowing voice around, helps keep my feet on the ground! er water! Actually it is ground, that could be part of the problem. TnT |
On 13-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:
According to the ontario education minister, 'strike' is a 5-letter word. Just a little defitent in math and'or english. Uhh, that was a politician. They are well known to be mentally _deficient_. Google "George W. Bush" for more examples. Mike |
BCITORGB wrote: You said: ============== Alas, that's not an uncommon occurrance with him and my remarks. That's why I've stopped bothering to respond to anything Scott spouts. ================ I should have considered myself warned. As you've said elsewhere "he could talk a bent bar straight" (is that a Dutch expression? -- I like it!). Yep, it's a Dutch expression. Funny thing is that I find that quite a few of the expressions and sayings that we have here are are used in exactly the same way (literally translated that is) in other languages. I guess that good ideas are easier to copy than to invent yourself. Dutch is for a big part a mix of a bunch of languages, including English, French and German. :-) Now that I've unfrocked him as a closet socialist ("government assistance to everyone else is bad, but it's good for me if I need it" is his hypocritical stance. But assistance by any other name is still socialism -- and what's so bad about that?) I'll perhaps retire. He was one of the main reasons I wrote this page: http://wilko.webzone.ru/troll.html Walking off into the sunset while dusting my hands in victory over Scott, I remain, frtzw906 Now why do I hear the Lucky Luke tune? ;-) -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
BCITORGB wrote: TnT says: ================== The N. Korean Nuclear threat is very real, but we have not gone storming in there, and are trying to get them to the negotiating table with their neighbors.... ===================== You'll excuse me if I find that just a bit disingenuous. My take on it is that the USA has not gone storming in there because (a) you might be in for a rude surprise if they do have and use nuclear weapons and (b) there's no oil or anything else of much economic value there (and, perhaps, (c) you don't like the idea of upsetting the Chinese who may not be as sophisticated weapons-wise, but don't have to worry too much about a depleted armed forces or popular reaction against a military draft.) You'd think that the U.S. would attack China, if only for the long term occupation of and atrocities it committed in Tibet. But alas, Tibet has no oil and China has a lot of very heavy yield nuclear weapons... TnT says: =================== I do not expect to see our troops marching down the EU boulevards, since they are civilized and appear willing to solve their own issues. ============== Oh, how very nice of you to say so. But the fact that you might think about it, were the Euros not so civilised (by your reckoning), is a frightening thought. Funny thing we're talking about acting civilised. Let's talk about the similarities between China and the U.S.: Both have enough WMD's to destroy the world, but want no one else to get them, both have invaded other independent nations that posed no threat to them in the past century, both are having a bigger percentage of their own citizens behind bars than anyone else, both countries use prisoners as slave labour, both countries commit war crimes, use torture on a regular basis and use executions on a large scale. At what point do the Euros appear less civilised to American eyes? Will it be economic issues that tip the balance (like, for instance, even more central bankers around the world opting to hold euros instead of dollars as reserve currencies)? Or, could it be that social or "values" issues tip the balance from your perspective (like more cities like Frankfurt setting up injection sites for drug addicts? Or more countries like the Netherlands adopting laws permitting euthanasia?). Please, let Europe know at what point it will no longer be considered "civilised" from an American perspective. Considering that the current U.S. administration has already threathened to use force to free any single U.S. war criminal who is brought before the International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague, I think that "civilised" U.S. style means invading a fellow member of the NATO if it suits your needs... The propaganda used to attack the Dutch drug laws is also funny. The U.S. government sent a retired general over who stated that the Netherlands was a drug paradise, with higher murder and other crime rates than the U.S.. This general was then verbally shamed by the Dutch diplomat who simply inquired where the general got his statistics. It's one thing to try to lie to your own population, it's another to lie to someone who knows the truth. TnT says: ===================== maintained troops in Europe, and political pressure on the Iron Curtain countries to take down the Wall... We eventually saw the Wall come down,.... ======================= I hope you're not suggesting that American "pressure" brought down the wall. If you are, I suggest you acquaint yourself with concepts and names like "Solidarity", "Vaclav Havel", the Luthern church in Leipzig.... and countless more. American pressure? I think not! I will, on this issue, however, give a tip of the hat to Pres. Reagan and his military spending. Put overly simplistically, his spending brought the Soviet empire to bankrupcy (trying to keep up) before the Yanks went broke. That did help bring the wall down. Funny how similar spending now is helping the Yanks go broke. Looks like Osama learned a valuable lesson from the time the CIA helped him in Afghanistan. Hurt them in such a way that they will attack anything that moves and spend more than they can afford, eventually hitting where it hurts the most, in their economy. Oh! I get it! You'll protect the oil from tyrants who oppose the USA. Clearly some tyrants are OK. So the USA won't be bringng liberation and democracy to Saudi Arabia any time soon then, eh? And there we touch the core of the current U.S. government strategy: do as we say, don't do as we do: long live double standards! -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ |
"Michael Daly" wrote in message ... On 13-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote: According to the ontario education minister, 'strike' is a 5-letter word. Just a little defitent in math and'or english. Uhh, that was a politician. They are well known to be mentally _deficient_. Google "George W. Bush" for more examples. ===================== Fortunately W isn't directly in charge of the education of a million kids, mr Kennedy is. Mike |
Wilko wrote: BCITORGB wrote: TnT says: ================== The N. Korean Nuclear threat ...snip Clearly some tyrants are OK. So the USA won't be bringng liberation and democracy to Saudi Arabia any time soon then, eh? Wilko, am I understanding that you are concerned about the "liberation and democracy of Saudi Arabia", if the USA does not get involved in this particular political venture? Would you be willing to lead the Dutch military down there and set them straight, if you can not first talk them straight? And there we touch the core of the current U.S. government strategy: do as we say, don't do as we do: long live double standards! -- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/ Are you really concerned, or is this all just talk? Should I be watching the news to see Saudis set free by Dutch fighting forces? No probably not, and there we touch the core of the world strategy, "Talk, and do nothing" Talk about double standards!! TnT |
TnT says:
========= Are you really concerned, or is this all just talk? Should I be watching the news to see Saudis set free by Dutch fighting forces? No probably not, ========== TnT, you're completely missing his point (and mine). We are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the American position in Iraq. The latest reason (of a very long and ever-changing list of reasons) for invading Iraq was to relieve them of a dictator and to bring democracy. We are not saying that that was right (especially when the "real" reason is fairly transparent). But the USA is. So, we're simply pointing out the logical inconsistencies in that position if you don't also consider Saudi Arabia for invasion. Not to do so is hypocritical. frtzw906 |
rick says:
========= Fortunately W isn't directly in charge of the education of a million kids, mr Kennedy is. ========== Unfortunately, "W" is in charge of the most powerful nation. rick, you display an interesting bit of (il)logic. By your reckoning, then, a minister of education should be more intelligent than the leader of the world's leading economy and military. If you're representative of American voters, I'm beginning to see why Americans voted as they did. frtzw906 |
BCITORGB wrote: TnT says: ========= Are you really concerned, or is this all just talk? Should I be watching the news to see Saudis set free by Dutch fighting forces? No probably not, ========== TnT, you're completely missing his point (and mine). We are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the American position in Iraq. The latest reason (of a very long and ever-changing list of reasons) for invading Iraq was to relieve them of a dictator and to bring democracy. We are not saying that that was right (especially when the "real" reason is fairly transparent). But the USA is. So, we're simply pointing out the logical inconsistencies in that position if you don't also consider Saudi Arabia for invasion. Not to do so is hypocritical. frtzw906 And you miss mine. I was giving Wilko a bad time. If he is so concerned about Iraq, and USA invasion, does he offer an alternative, no matter what the original, or primary reason the USA offered? Ok he does not think that we should have gone in there after oil, does he think we should have gone in there for the "liberation and Democracy of the Iraq people?" Secondly, I was watching a documetary about Saudi Arabia on PBS. Forget the Saks and other Glitz stores, the women were grocery shopping at a Safeway! Seems the invasion is underway, and isn't that Osama's main contention? TnT |
TnT says:
================ the women were grocery shopping at a Safeway! ================== Now I have to think you're giving ME a bad time. Women shopping in a Safeway is a pretty superficial way of measuring liberty, freedom and democracy. Back to the history books. Why were American revolutionaries so ****ed off at King George and the Brits? Weren't they shopping in fashionable shops in New York, Boston, etc that were every it as nice as all but the best London could offer? Why ever were they upset? Does the notion of a monarchy in 2005 not strike you as archaic? I suspect it struck many "Americans" as archaic way babk in the 1770's. frtzw906 |
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